Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-19 Thread proclus
Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution On May 15, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Ed Pozharski wrote: 1.2A (not surprisingly since this is about the length of covalent bond). A carbon-carbon single bond is about 1.55 Å. -- Michael L. Love Ph.D Department of Biophysics and Biophysical

Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-16 Thread James Holton
IMHO the word high is an useless way to describe your resolution. We're scientists. We measure things. Things called numbers. So why not use them? The words high and low are about as useful in scientific literature as large and small, many and few, old and new or the ever-popular

Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-15 Thread proclus
On 14 May, Mark Del Campo wrote: At what refinement resolution or resolution ranges would you call a structure high resolution vs. low resolution? I realize that this may boil down to semantics (e.g. some may classify structures as medium resolution), but I wanted to get an opinion from

Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-15 Thread William Scott
PM Please respond to William Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK cc Subject Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution On May 15, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Ed Pozharski wrote: 1.2A (not surprisingly since this is about the length of covalent bond). A carbon-carbon single bond

Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-15 Thread Bryan W. Lepore
On Thu, 15 May 2008, William Scott wrote: On May 15, 2008, at 10:01 AM, Ed Pozharski wrote: 1.2A (not surprisingly since this is about the length of covalent bond). A carbon-carbon single bond is about 1.55 Å. the van der Waals radius of hydrogen is 1.2A (Eisenberg/Crothers, Pauling, 1960

Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-15 Thread Sue Roberts
I don't think the term high resolution has any real definition or meaning anymore. If you're proud of the resolution, put the number in the title of the paper and let the reader decide. At one time 2 A was high resolution, but I wouldn't consider that high resolution today for a plain

Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-15 Thread Bernhard Rupp
Of William Scott Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:56 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution Actually, if you want to feel really good, I learned (in the context of optics) that you can resolve two points separated by a distance x with a diffraction limit of x/0.7

Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-15 Thread Ed Pozharski
Of course. However, C=0 bond is ~1.2A, and bonds made by those pesky hydrogens are ~1A. And I would think (it is semantics again) that to reach atomic resolution you have to resolve all atoms, otherwise All atoms are equal, but some (non-hydrogens) are more equal than others. Cheers, Ed. On

Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-15 Thread Ed Pozharski
Sure, it has very little to do with original question about what constitutes high resolution. And that term is quite relative. 1.8A data is definitely of higher resolution than 2A, but is it high? (Not to mention the issue of subjective choice of resolution cutoff). The only way to define

Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-15 Thread William Scott
On May 15, 2008, at 12:40 PM, Ed Pozharski wrote: I was just trying to protect poor creatures, after all they [hydrogens] only got one electron to hold on to (:-) Ed. A less radical view (pun intended) suggests two. ;)

Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-15 Thread Meyer, Peter
PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 5/15/2008 11:11 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution On 14 May, Mark Del Campo wrote: At what refinement resolution or resolution ranges would you call a structure high resolution vs. low resolution? I realize that this may

[ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-14 Thread Mark Del Campo
At what refinement resolution or resolution ranges would you call a structure high resolution vs. low resolution? I realize that this may boil down to semantics (e.g. some may classify structures as medium resolution), but I wanted to get an opinion from the pros.

Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-14 Thread Edward Snell
was probably here! -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Del Campo Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:28 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution At what refinement resolution or resolution ranges would you

Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-14 Thread Pavel Afonine
I think this is coupled with the data completeness. Say you have a data 50.0-1.0A resolution, but the completeness in say 3.0-1.0A resolution range is equal to 10%, and it is 100% complete in 50.0-3.0A. Pavel. On 5/14/2008 12:28 PM, Mark Del Campo wrote: At what refinement resolution or

Re: [ccp4bb] poll: cutoff for high resolution

2008-05-14 Thread William Scott
On May 14, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Mark Del Campo wrote: At what refinement resolution or resolution ranges would you call a structure high resolution vs. low resolution? I realize that this may boil down to semantics (e.g. some may classify structures as medium resolution), but I wanted to get