Sorry about that old chap.
I had meant to agree that there was owner but I did not know how to
confirm who they where.
All this is doing me head in. I'm going to apply for a place at the home
for the bewildered.
Rod
On 15/11/15 01:22, Paul Koning wrote:
On Nov 14, 2015, at 6:15 PM, rod w
I tend to agree - the use of the word "theft" is an emotional response and
doesn't help the debate. Without getting too legal you can only steal
something if you intend to permanently deprive the owner if it and that's
not happening here - the owner still has it. It's an issue with the use of
it th
On 11/14/15 7:11 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
Saw this on Craigslist. Anyone interested?
I'm in SJ and have friends in Oakland...the only thing is I have no
use for just a 3174...
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/zip/5311274675.html
If you get an
> On Nov 14, 2015, at 20:25, Ian Finder wrote:
>
> I find the mindset of considering all abandonware scenarios "theft" to be
> pedantic, toxic, shortsighted, and counterproductive- as well as logically
> and legally baseless.
I entirely agree. It's my understanding that Archive.org does archi
It seems to me that Paul Koning's attitude will lead retrocomputing to die. We
can't all own computers that can do interesting things with front-panel
programming alone.
By his definition, I have committed a lot of "theft" in my days to restore
systems I had no other options left to deal with,
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, Paul Koning wrote:
"Abandonware" is a term invented as an excuse to steal other people's
property. Let's not try to apply it here.
Copyright infringement is not theft... at least according to the Supreme
Court, but then again, what do they know?
g.
--
Proud owner of
Another thing that I don't know is if XX2247 would possibly be required to
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, Al Kossow wrote:
That is the crux of the problem. While XX2247 bought the rights from Mentec
Well, XX2247 is at least related to the KEY to the problem, . . . :-)
Unfortunately, although nobody m
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, Bob Rosenbloom wrote:
Saw this on Craigslist. Anyone interested?
I'm in SJ and have friends in Oakland...the only thing is I have no use
for just a 3174...
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/zip/5311274675.html
Bob
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
htt
Saw this on Craigslist. Anyone interested?
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/zip/5311274675.html
Bob
--
Vintage computers and electronics
www.dvq.com
www.tekmuseum.com
www.decmuseum.org
Never saw one like this, but the chassis/cabinet doesn't look really
homebrew to me
https://post.craigslist.org/k/drQqW-KK5RG4d-7uD34-Xw/vi2lh?s=preview
J
On 11/14/15 5:46 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Another thing that I don't know is if XX2247 would possibly be required to pay
a fee to HP for each license sold. It might be, which would make it hard to
even give licenses for binary distributions
tricky.
That is the crux of the problem. While
On 2015-11-15 02:32, Paul Koning wrote:
On Nov 14, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-11-15 01:56, Mark J. Blair wrote:
On Nov 14, 2015, at 15:56, rod wrote:
I am of the opinion that RT,RSX M & D etc could be dealt with in exactly the
same way as the very successful Open
On 11/14/2015 5:32 PM, Paul Koning wrote:
On Nov 14, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-11-15 01:56, Mark J. Blair wrote:
On Nov 14, 2015, at 15:56, rod wrote:
I am of the opinion that RT,RSX M & D etc could be dealt with in exactly the
same way as the very successful Ope
> On Nov 14, 2015, at 17:27, Johnny Billquist wrote:
> We need HP to release things.
If XX2247 LLC owns RT-11 as stated in another post, then what does HP have to
do with it? I am glad that HP continues to license VMS to hobbyists, and I am
one of the licensees. But I thought they owned VMS, n
> On Nov 14, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
>
> On 2015-11-15 01:56, Mark J. Blair wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 14, 2015, at 15:56, rod wrote:
>>>
>>> I am of the opinion that RT,RSX M & D etc could be dealt with in exactly
>>> the same way as the very successful OpenVMS Hobbyists pro
On 11/14/2015 5:09 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:05:06AM -0500, Sue Skonetski wrote:
I remember at DEC when we all at VT100’s and then the big day came
when we could upgrade to the “New Color” monitors Ah just to think
of the orange glow of the words radiating from the scr
On 2015-11-15 01:56, Mark J. Blair wrote:
On Nov 14, 2015, at 15:56, rod wrote:
I am of the opinion that RT,RSX M & D etc could be dealt with in exactly the
same way as the very successful OpenVMS Hobbyists program.
Has anybody contacted the RT-11 rights holder to see if they might be
in
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, william degnan wrote:
I have a copy of the laplink software should anyone need it. If the cable
for parallel is just a null modem I suggest a person in this hobby
definitely add laplink to the bag of tricks available. You just fire it up
on both ends ll.exe ... and you'll
If you have some connections within HP, then please get involved in
trying to get the PDP-11 software released. It is HP who has the final
say. Unfortunately, getting anyone there signing off on something they
don't even know or maybe recognize they have, has turned out to be hard.
I know Al h
On 2015-11-15 00:15, rod wrote:
We have been through this loop before I believe. Didn't DEC sell the
PDP-11 rights to Mentec and from there they passed to a mysterious
unnamed individual.
Is owned by unknown a legal status?
Who said it was unknown? Al certainly knows who owns it. And it's been
> On Nov 14, 2015, at 6:15 PM, rod wrote:
>
> We have been through this loop before I believe. Didn't DEC sell the PDP-11
> rights to Mentec and from there they passed to a mysterious unnamed
> individual.
> Is owned by unknown a legal status?
Just because YOU don't know who the owner is doe
On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:05:06AM -0500, Sue Skonetski wrote:
> I remember at DEC when we all at VT100’s and then the big day came
> when we could upgrade to the “New Color” monitors Ah just to think
> of the orange glow of the words radiating from the screen. Of
> course you could get green as
> On Nov 14, 2015, at 15:56, rod wrote:
>
> I am of the opinion that RT,RSX M & D etc could be dealt with in exactly the
> same way as the very successful OpenVMS Hobbyists program.
Has anybody contacted the RT-11 rights holder to see if they might be
interested in a program like that? I thi
Does anyone on list have a copy of the schematics for the Data I/O 120 gang
programmer? I'm willing to buy the schematics or pay for a copy to be made.
Billy Pettit
bpett...@comcast.net
You might check with Chris Groessler at ch...@groessler.org.
He has an assembler that you should be able to run that should be
able to switch from non-segmented to segmented.
I have an assembler on my M20 but it only allows non-segmented code.
I suspect to protect the OS. It has a funny memory mode
On Nov 13, 2015 9:13 AM, "Johnny Billquist" wrote:
>
> On 2015-11-13 12:36, william degnan wrote:
>>
>> I used to use a program called Laplink, which came with special serial
and
>> parallel option cables to transfer files from one dos machine to
another.
>> It was useful to "image" DOS computers
I am of the opinion that RT,RSX M & D etc could be dealt with in exactly
the same way as the very successful OpenVMS Hobbyists program.
Its free but you need to be a member of a recognized group. In my
case HPUG. I'm also classed as a HP pensioner due to my DEC service.
One thing that has al
A parallel port based solution is widely usable and portable too. A
parallel port Zip drive with the PalmZip drivers will work even on an 8088
class machine. A Xircom PE3 Ethernet adapter will give you network access
at speeds over 30KB/sec when on the slowest machines without even having to
open
I have no interest in causing any deliberate harm to whoever may hold the
rights to RT-11, but I am curious about whether the rights holder has shown any
interest in preserving old RT-11 code and documentation that has no current
commercial value. I would very much hate to see such stuff lost fo
We have been through this loop before I believe. Didn't DEC sell the
PDP-11 rights to Mentec and from there they passed to a mysterious
unnamed individual.
Is owned by unknown a legal status?
Rod Smallwood
On 14/11/15 22:41, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2015-11-14 22:50, Mark J. Blair wrote
2015-11-14 23:45 GMT+01:00 William Maddox :
>
> >According to the current owner it is based on a 16 bit machine made by
> >Computer Automation. It has core memory and is programmed in assembler and
> >Fortran. It is from the late seventies.
> The packaging doesn't look like anything from Computer
>According to the current owner it is based on a 16 bit machine made by
>Computer Automation. It has core memory and is programmed in assembler and
>Fortran. It is from the late seventies.
The packaging doesn't look like anything from Computer Automation, but they
made a line of board-level compo
On 2015-11-14 22:50, Mark J. Blair wrote:
One of the TRS-80 Model II enthusiasts has recently set up an archive of Model
II/12/16/6000 software and documentation on GitHub:
https://github.com/pski/model2archive
Perhaps a similar, structured and curated archive for RT-11 materials would be
awe
One of the TRS-80 Model II enthusiasts has recently set up an archive of Model
II/12/16/6000 software and documentation on GitHub:
https://github.com/pski/model2archive
Perhaps a similar, structured and curated archive for RT-11 materials would be
awesome? This method makes it very easy for any
Anyone know more about this old 16 bit computer / controller?
http://i.imgur.com/utUfMQe.jpg
According to the current owner it is based on a 16 bit machine made by
Computer Automation. It has core memory and is programmed in assembler and
Fortran. It is from the late seventies.
I found very litt
On 11/14/15 7:07 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Sorry I forgot to remove the SPAM KEY notice thsat my e-mail places
there
>Paul Koning wrote:
On Nov 13, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Hey all --
Now that I have my PDP-11/05 running nicely, I'm curious what others
are
running on sm
Jules Richardson writes:
> As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up an
> x86 PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to a
> remote system?
I used to like TwinExpress, which has both MS-DOS and Amiga versions.
Maybe it'd run under DOSBox?
http://amin
>
>
What is the card inventory of the 11/05? I can attempt to reproduce here.
I have an RL02 available to attempt RT11, 11/05 open on the table.
Bil
Tom,
I have two complete systems with everything, lots of extra boards, that I'm
willing to sell. I also happen to have two VT100 series terminals, an RX02
subsystem, and an RX01 subsystem. Plus, I have a complete VT278 (DECmate I)
with OS278 and WPS-8. One 8/E system has the cover, the other
> On Nov 14, 2015, at 10:07 AM, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
>
> ...
> I then attempted to confirm with V2 and 16 KB of
> memory and that also worked with the RK05 device.
> Obviously, it is not possible to do very much with
> just 16 KB (8KW) of memory.
Actually, 8 kW is quite functional with V2. I
On 11/14/2015 07:52 AM, Jules Richardson wrote:
On 11/13/2015 11:56 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
connected them with a Laplink parallel cable (I've still got a box of
them).
Roughly what length are the cables? And do you know if they do anything
special internally regarding shielding of the data lin
connected them with a Laplink parallel cable (I've still got a box of
them).
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, Jules Richardson wrote:
Roughly what length are the cables? And do you know if they do anything
special internally regarding shielding of the data lines?
They, and those of other similar products,
On 11/13/2015 11:56 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
connected them with a Laplink parallel cable (I've still got a box of
them).
Roughly what length are the cables? And do you know if they do anything
special internally regarding shielding of the data lines?
I think I should probably wire one up, and
Sorry I forgot to remove the SPAM KEY notice thsat my e-mail places
there
>Paul Koning wrote:
On Nov 13, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Hey all --
Now that I have my PDP-11/05 running nicely, I'm curious what others are
running on small systems like this -- until this point I've
>Paul Koning wrote:
On Nov 13, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
Hey all --
Now that I have my PDP-11/05 running nicely, I'm curious what others are
running on small systems like this -- until this point I've only played
with larger (i.e. at least 28KW memory) systems. I have only 8KW of
> On Nov 13, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Josh Dersch wrote:
>
> Hey all --
>
> Now that I have my PDP-11/05 running nicely, I'm curious what others are
> running on small systems like this -- until this point I've only played
> with larger (i.e. at least 28KW memory) systems. I have only 8KW of memory
>
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