[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
Amen! On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 7:17 PM William Donzelli via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Own your land. > > Museum or individual. > > -- > Will > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 7:13 PM Kevin Parker via cctalk > wrote: > > > > I remember that Sellam and I remember visiting your facility

[cctalk] Re: Large private collections

2022-10-17 Thread Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
However you define it, who has the largest private collections? Is there anyone who claims to have the largest private collection? I hypothesize that there is a terminal size where it becomes unmanageable. Bill Largest one I know of would by System Source in Maryland? And an awesome one at

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
Not saying that what the landlord did was ethically, morally or even legally correct, just that you could have avoided the whole disaster; I'm sure the community would have gladly chipped in to help, but I think your attitude at the time was not very helpful.. You certainly had (and have) my

[cctalk] Re: Large private collections

2022-10-17 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: I used to claim "largest privately held collection on the planet" and no one ever challenged me. I like to think of it in terms of atoms, because empty space is just a vacuum. On that account, I control a tremendous number of atoms. Sellam

[cctalk] Re: Large private collections

2022-10-17 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
I used to claim "largest privately held collection on the planet" and no one ever challenged me. I like to think of it in terms of atoms, because empty space is just a vacuum. On that account, I control a tremendous number of atoms. Sellam On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 6:31 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk

[cctalk] Re: Large private collections

2022-10-17 Thread Ali via cctalk
>I think one of the primary factors is >how much time the collector has to >dedicate to> their collection.And how much money-Ali

[cctalk] Re: Large private collections

2022-10-17 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
. . . and there is the point where it crosses over fromyou owning the collection, to the collection owning you. On Mon, 17 Oct 2022, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Oct 17, 2022, at 6:30 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: However you define it, who has the largest private collections? Is

[cctalk] Re: Large private collections

2022-10-17 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On Oct 17, 2022, at 6:30 PM, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > > However you define it, who has the largest private collections? Is > there anyone who claims to have the largest private collection? I > hypothesize that there is a terminal size where it becomes > unmanageable. > Bill I’m happy

[cctalk] Re: Large private collections

2022-10-17 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
However you define it, who has the largest private collections? Is there anyone who claims to have the largest private collection? I hypothesize that there is a terminal size where it becomes unmanageable. Bill On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 9:17 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Oct

[cctalk] Re: Large private collections

2022-10-17 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, 17 Oct 2022, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: Who presently has the largest predominantly "vintage computing" collections in 2022? I sometimes wonder what the cutoff definition is for "very large collection" ... 1000 individual computers? Or do you judge by square feet filled? Well

[cctalk] Large private collections

2022-10-17 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
Who presently has the largest predominantly "vintage computing" collections in 2022? I sometimes wonder what the cutoff definition is for "very large collection" ... 1000 individual computers? Or do you judge by square feet filled? I have seen entire houses full, 5000sq ft warehouses, entire

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Mike, I'm trying not to extend this conversation, because I am not interested in a pity-party, but this kind of comment is insulting. Of course I should have paid the rent. And vy the way, as soon as I had it, I offered it, but they refused the tender. Regardless, when someone gets evicted,

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread William Donzelli via cctalk
Own your land. Museum or individual. -- Will On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 7:13 PM Kevin Parker via cctalk wrote: > > I remember that Sellam and I remember visiting your facility on a trip my > wife and I did to the US. It was very impressive collection and that’s an > understatement. > > It’s a

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Kevin Parker via cctalk
I remember that Sellam and I remember visiting your facility on a trip my wife and I did to the US. It was very impressive collection and that’s an understatement. It’s a shame all that was lost ☹ It served to reinforce my approach to this s tuff, grab first ask questions later otherwise it

[cctalk] Re: Soviet PDP clones

2022-10-17 Thread Nigel Johnson Ham via cctalk
IIRC a broker in Toronto was arrested for illegally shipping a black market VAX to the USSR. The sad part of it was that it would have been quote a legal end-use if the appropriate paperwork was done, but this made it four times the price!, Nigel Johnson, MSc., MIEEE, MCSE VE3ID/G4AJQ/VA3MCU

[cctalk] Re: Soviet PDP clones

2022-10-17 Thread Douglas Taylor via cctalk
On 10/17/2022 2:57 PM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote: On 10/17/22 14:47, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: Hi all, After some discussion on reddit about russian PDP-11 clones, i made the (perhaps erronous) claim that the PDP series in general was cloned by the Soviets. I’m aware that there

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk
Shoulda paid the rent. A sad tale indeed. On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 4:11 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > The good news is that most of my best stuff was either already with me or I > was able to get out, including my two Lisa 1's, my (straight) PDP-8, and > several

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 10/17/22 2:14 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: There were many benefactors from my loss, many innocent, some not. Understood. Those who benefitted from ill-begotten gains will pay for it in other ways, if they haven't already. Such is the natural law. Agreed. For the record, my

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
There were many benefactors from my loss, many innocent, some not. Those who benefitted from ill-begotten gains will pay for it in other ways, if they haven't already. Such is the natural law. Sellam On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 12:38 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
The good news is that most of my best stuff was either already with me or I was able to get out, including my two Lisa 1's, my (straight) PDP-8, and several other precious items. I long since sold off most of this to pay to live, since at the same time they destroyed my collection they destroyed

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk
On 10/17/22 12:52 PM, Ryan de Laplante via cctalk wrote: Not everything could come home with me, so I sold the remaining lower priority pieces to the first person who could clear the locker over a weekend. I didn’t get much for it, but at least it didn’t go to a recycler. Hopefully you boot

[cctalk] Re: Soviet PDP clones

2022-10-17 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Oct 17, 2022, at 2:47 PM, Joshua Rice via cctalk > wrote: > > Hi all, > > After some discussion on reddit about russian PDP-11 clones, i made the > (perhaps erronous) claim that the PDP series in general was cloned by the > Soviets. That's definitely accurate. I have seen

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Ryan de Laplante via cctalk
I didn’t know you were able to recover 20% of the collection before being locked out again. I know losing any of it is terrible, but I’m guessing you prioritized the very best pieces of the collection when recovering the 20%, such as your Lisa 1? I kept my collection in storage lockers for

[cctalk] Re: Soviet PDP clones

2022-10-17 Thread Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
On 10/17/22 14:47, Joshua Rice via cctalk wrote: Hi all, After some discussion on reddit about russian PDP-11 clones, i made the (perhaps erronous) claim that the PDP series in general was cloned by the Soviets. I’m aware that there was a lot of QBUS/LSI PDP-11 clones, and depite poor

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
Never mind the civil suits, it sounds to me (from the facts you quoted) that criminal charges might have been warranted. paul > On Oct 17, 2022, at 2:38 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk > wrote: > > I did. It stretched on for a couple years, as civil suits are wont to do. > But because

[cctalk] Soviet PDP clones

2022-10-17 Thread Joshua Rice via cctalk
Hi all, After some discussion on reddit about russian PDP-11 clones, i made the (perhaps erronous) claim that the PDP series in general was cloned by the Soviets. I’m aware that there was a lot of QBUS/LSI PDP-11 clones, and depite poor documentation, there is significant evidence of PDP-8

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
I did. It stretched on for a couple years, as civil suits are wont to do. But because I didn't have the legal chops I have now, I did not prevail. Hard lesson learned. Trust no man. Definitely trust no lawyer. Sellam On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 2:00 AM Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > Did you

[cctalk] Re: Sun Fire V100 CPU not coming up on poweron

2022-10-17 Thread Jonathan Katz via cctalk
Have you checked the PROM versions between the broken system and known-good system? I'm wondering if the broken system has a buggy PROM that just can't handle there are no fans? On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 6:39 PM Alexander Schreiber via cctalk wrote: > > Hi, > > I've got Sun Fire V100 that I'm

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Tom Hunter via cctalk
Did you take them to court again to get compensation for what must have been a substantial loss? Very strange story. You must have been furious. On Mon, 17 Oct 2022, 4:54 pm Sellam Abraham via cctalk, < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Long story very short: > > Landlords evicted me from their

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Long story very short: Landlords evicted me from their warehouse where my collection was stored and wouldn't let me back in. Had to go to court. Regained access and was able to pull out 20% of the collection before they locked me out again for good. Then sold the rest to computer recyclers,

[cctalk] Re: Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Ali via cctalk
You had to ask..I was there 3000 years ago (or about 10 years ago in non Tolkien meme terms) and it wasn't pretty Original message From: Tom Hunter via cctalk Date: 10/17/22 1:31 AM (GMT-08:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Cc: Tom Hunter

[cctalk] Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012

2022-10-17 Thread Tom Hunter via cctalk
Sellam Abraham referred to a "Great Vintage Computer Heist of 2012". What was that about? Who stole what and where and why?

[cctalk] Re: datapoint 2200 programming

2022-10-17 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
I have an entire box of Datapoint 2200 digital tapes, probably over 50 of them. I'm not sure what's on them, but I got them long ago from a former dealer/tech(?) for Datapoint outside Reno. I also scored a ton (probably literally) of hardware but that was all stolen in the Great Vintage Computer

[cctalk] Re: datapoint 2200 programming

2022-10-17 Thread jos via cctalk
On 17.10.22 06:08, Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote: Thanks. I was curious about if I found a Datapoint 2200 "in the wild" -- You'd be very lucky to find one. They are much rarer than the contemporary and similar ICL1501. And if you find one, watch out. The powersupply is seriously dangereous...

[cctalk] Re: datapoint 2200 programming

2022-10-17 Thread jos via cctalk
On 17.10.22 03:30, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Oct 12, 2022, 14:54 Steve Lewis via cctalk wrote: Datapoint 2200 [...] iinstruction set was said to be similar what became the 8008. The instruction sets weren't similar, they was identical. Not quite, II believe, O handling is