[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk
> On 02/01/2023 3:51 PM CST Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > ot sure about that. What sort of numbers are we talking about? > > If all else fails there's core memory, which as far as I remember is pretty > much unlimited for both read and write. > > paul I don't know for sure and can't

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: PKBACK Floppies?

2023-02-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 Feb 2023, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: You have that right Sellam, the more that I look into this, based on Fred’s info, I think that I need to get MS-DOS running under DOSBOX-X. Probably worthwhile. Although the truncation of file content after EOF during concatenation is somewhat

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: PKBACK Floppies?

2023-02-01 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On Feb 1, 2023, at 11:59 AM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 11:45 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > >>> On Wed, 1 Feb 2023, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: >>> So far I’ve tackled one split zip. I wasn’t having any luck with >>> the version of PKZIP that I assume

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: PKBACK Floppies?

2023-02-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
FILE1.ZIP+FILE2.ZIP+FILE3.ZIP+FILE4.ZIP+FILE5.ZIP COMBINED.ZIP THAT will give you a corrupted file! Concatenated copy (COPY with '+') has a behavior that you need to take into account. PC/MS-DOS 1.00 kept track of the file size with a course granularity. (logical sectors, not bytes) Therefore,

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] Re: PKBACK Floppies?

2023-02-01 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On Feb 1, 2023, at 11:44 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Feb 2023, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: >> So far I’ve tackled one split zip. I wasn’t having any luck with the >> version of PKZIP that I assume created this. I copied the files into a >> directory, and did COPY

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023, 2:52 PM Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > > > On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:20 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > > > On Wed, 1 Feb 2023, Ali via cctalk wrote: > >> But does that matter? If the main purpose is to be able to refresh the > data so it is readable does it matter

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Feb 1, 2023, at 3:20 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Feb 2023, Ali via cctalk wrote: >> But does that matter? If the main purpose is to be able to refresh the data >> so it is readable does it matter that the data is not in the same block as >> long as it is readable?

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 Feb 2023, Ali via cctalk wrote: But does that matter? If the main purpose is to be able to refresh the data so it is readable does it matter that the data is not in the same block as long as it is readable? Ah, but most of that sort of memory has a finite number of cycles, and

[cctalk] Re: Aging of unused CD-R media

2023-02-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
Keeping the discs on the spindles will slow the rate of deterioration! Since the discs in the middle of the stack receive less UV and less airflow of ozone or oxygen. Would storing in a cold dark vacuum extend the shelf-life?

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: PKBACK Floppies?

2023-02-01 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 11:45 AM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 1 Feb 2023, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > > So far I’ve tackled one split zip. I wasn’t having any luck with > > the version of PKZIP that I assume created this. I copied the files > > into a directory, and did COPY > >

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: PKBACK Floppies?

2023-02-01 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 1 Feb 2023, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: So far I’ve tackled one split zip. I wasn’t having any luck with the version of PKZIP that I assume created this. I copied the files into a directory, and did COPY FILE1.ZIP+FILE2.ZIP+FILE3.ZIP+FILE4.ZIP+FILE5.ZIP COMBINED.ZIP THAT will give

[cctalk] Re: Aging of unused CD-R media

2023-02-01 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> I find myself wondering, how well does CD-R and DVD-R media that hasn’t been > used age? Anecdotal, but I have some Fuji blanks from the 90s that still burn just fine (works great on old drives that hate modern "see-through" media). The DVD-Rs I have were bought by my parents in the

[cctalk] Re: CD-R, DVD-R media available

2023-02-01 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 2/1/23 08:51, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote: > Does anyone here know which brands/lines had the best longevity? For ordinary CD's I've always used MAM-A Gold. Started buying when it was a Mitsui brand and haven't had a single failure. --Chuck

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:13 AM emanuel stiebler wrote: > On 2023-02-01 10:56, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 1:41 AM emanuel stiebler via cctalk > > mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: > > > retension in case of power off. > > If the power is applied all the time,

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 10:02 AM Ali via cctalk wrote: > > However, it may well be that writing is the only way to refresh cells, > > as reading won't, if I understand flash operation correctly. But > > rewriting a sector or block of a file doesn't usually write back to the > > original, because

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2023-02-01 10:56, Warner Losh wrote: On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 1:41 AM emanuel stiebler via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org>> wrote: retension in case of power off. If the power is applied all the time, the internal controller "can" check the quality of the cells

[cctalk] Re: Aging of unused CD-R media

2023-02-01 Thread Adrian Stoness via cctalk
faster they were written too the faster the fade ive noticed On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 11:04 AM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > I find myself wondering, how well does CD-R and DVD-R media that hasn’t > been used age? I have quite a bit of unused Verbatim DataLifePlus, as well > as some other media

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: CD-R, DVD-R media available

2023-02-01 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
Kodak Gold CD-R’s were supposed to be the best as I recall. The Verbatim DataLifePlus are definitely long lived. I can’t remember if I’ve found any Sony or TDK disks in the stuff I’ve recovered recently, I believe I used both on occasion, but not for archives (though I’ve recovered CD’s I

[cctalk] Aging of unused CD-R media

2023-02-01 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
I find myself wondering, how well does CD-R and DVD-R media that hasn’t been used age? I have quite a bit of unused Verbatim DataLifePlus, as well as some other media that’s unused. For the most part, I don’t need it, but I can see a couple reasons I might want to burn some in the future,

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread Ali via cctalk
> However, it may well be that writing is the only way to refresh cells, > as reading won't, if I understand flash operation correctly. But > rewriting a sector or block of a file doesn't usually write back to the > original, because of the write-leveling firmware in the drive. Chuck, But does

[cctalk] Re: CD-R, DVD-R media available

2023-02-01 Thread Anders Nelson via cctalk
Does anyone here know which brands/lines had the best longevity? -- Anders Nelson On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 11:28 AM David Barto via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > 100’s of CD-R, Sony, TDK, and FujiFilm. > 25-30 DVD-R Sony and TDK > > And CD cases sufficient to hold all the disks > >

[cctalk] CD-R, DVD-R media available

2023-02-01 Thread David Barto via cctalk
100’s of CD-R, Sony, TDK, and FujiFilm. 25-30 DVD-R Sony and TDK And CD cases sufficient to hold all the disks Heavy, available for the cost of shipping. I’m in San Diego, so local delivery is possible. David

[cctalk] Re: [SPAM] Re: PKBACK Floppies?

2023-02-01 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
> On Jan 31, 2023, at 1:26 PM, David Glover-Aoki via cctalk > wrote: > > On Jan 29, 2023, at 9:37 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk > wrote: >> >> Some of the floppies I’m recovering data look to be either a multi-part ZIP >> file, or something. Was this a separate product from PKZIP? I’m not

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 1:41 AM emanuel stiebler via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On 2023-02-01 00:00, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: > > On 1/31/23 20:16, Ali via cctalk wrote: > > > If you look at the specs for SSDs or any flash medium for that matter, > > they're rated in terms of

[cctalk] Re: Mechanical Selectric keyboards on video terminals (was Re: Typing class in high school)

2023-02-01 Thread Paul Kimpel via cctalk
On 1/30/2023 14:38, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 1/30/23 14:11, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: And the PDP-1. ...and let's not forget Gog! (1954) https://i.imgur.com/j8VsH0s.png That same flick shows a Bendix cmputer https://i.imgur.com/8ezAtKr.png Don't know what model,

[cctalk] Re: Computer of Thesus (was: Re: Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man)

2023-02-01 Thread William Donzelli via cctalk
Plonk! -- Will On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 8:47 AM Chris via cctalk wrote: > > You stop being rude you big burly baby. Get a life. I'm not your hobby, as > hard as you're trying to make me so. > > > On Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 03:37:20 AM EST, Christian Corti via > cctalk wrote: > > On

[cctalk] Re: Computer of Thesus (was: Re: Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man)

2023-02-01 Thread Chris via cctalk
You stop being rude you big burly baby. Get a life. I'm not your hobby, as hard as you're trying to make me so. On Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 03:37:20 AM EST, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: On Tue, 31 Jan 2023, skogkatt...@yahoo.com wrote: > separating the 2. So please stop

[cctalk] Re: Media longevity (Was: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle

2023-02-01 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023, skogkatt...@yahoo.com wrote: Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com C: I'm all ears. That is the best example of how *not to quote* ! Christian

[cctalk] Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man

2023-02-01 Thread emanuel stiebler via cctalk
On 2023-02-01 00:00, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 1/31/23 20:16, Ali via cctalk wrote: If you look at the specs for SSDs or any flash medium for that matter, they're rated in terms of *write* cycles, which is why you don't want to abuse that. right But, in most OS you can check the SMART

[cctalk] Re: Computer of Thesus (was: Re: Re: Computer Museum uses GreaseWeazle to help exonerate Maryland Man)

2023-02-01 Thread Christian Corti via cctalk
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023, skogkatt...@yahoo.com wrote: separating the 2. So please stop complaining. Learn to adapt and overcome. Stop being rude and adapt to the standard! Quotation is done with a ">" (one for each level) at the beginning of a line, the indention block is superseded with the