[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Little old Billy G? lol, like he gives a shit. He's too busy selling his snake oil and figuring out ways to turn bugs and chemicals into your next meal. I literally should have strangled him to death when I had the opportunity. Sellam On Mon, Apr 24, 2023, 11:17 PM Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote:

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
...had the opportunity?Tell us more! Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 12:39 AM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Little old Billy G? lol, like he gives a shit. He's too busy selling his snake oil and figuring out ways to turn bugs and chemicals into your next meal. I lite

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Apr 25, 2023, at 2:16 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk > wrote: > > Hopefully the LCM will be sold as a going concern rather than just a > firesale of the assets. > Otherwise a lot of donors and contributors would be rightfully upset - me > included. I know of at least one donor who realized h

[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

2023-04-25 Thread Rod Bartlett via cctalk
Ken, This discussion does my geezer's heart good. I used to maintain Honeywell mainframes in the late 1970s, some of which had core memories. Tapping them on the floor wasn't an option since they were such huge beasties but they did have space for spare bits. I've swapped to the spare bits o

[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

2023-04-25 Thread KenUnix via cctalk
Rod, Never heard the singing. Switch room's were too noisy. It always amazed me that those core planes were hand wired. I guess by little people. Or, big people with little hands. On the PDP 8/I they were 4K plug in affairs. Ken On Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 9:14 AM Rod Bartlett via cctalk wrote: >

[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

2023-04-25 Thread Rod Bartlett via cctalk
Ken, Core places being hand wired amazed me as well. The maintenance panels on the Honeywell mainframes were hand wired as well. They were works of art with lots of toggle switches and lights (the later models switched to LEDs). I could see most of the internal registers using a fancy scroll

[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

2023-04-25 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:25 AM, KenUnix via cctalk wrote: > > Rod, > > Never heard the singing. Switch room's were too noisy. > > It always amazed me that those core planes were hand wired. I guess by > little people. Or, big people with little hands. People (often women I think) with steady

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Tue, 25 Apr 2023, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: Hopefully the LCM will be sold as a going concern rather than just a firesale of the assets. AFAIK, it's a 503(c), and I suspect if they started to "fire sale" assets, lawsuits from folks that made significant donations would be inbound. I say

[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

2023-04-25 Thread KenUnix via cctalk
Yep. Back then it was a form of non-volatile memory. Maintained what was on it after power off. Ken On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 9:38 AM Paul Koning wrote: > > > > On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:25 AM, KenUnix via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Rod, > > > > Never heard the singing. Switch room's were too noisy. >

[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

2023-04-25 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:37 AM, Rod Bartlett via cctalk > wrote: > > Ken, > > Core places being hand wired amazed me as well. The maintenance panels on > the Honeywell mainframes were hand wired as well. They were works of art > with lots of toggle switches and lights (the later models sw

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:43 AM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Apr 2023, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > >> Hopefully the LCM will be sold as a going concern rather than just a >> firesale of the assets. > AFAIK, it's a 503(c), and I suspect if they started to "fire sale" assets, > law

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Tarek Hoteit via cctalk
Wasn’t his sister busy buying or selling a sports team and showed no interests in the museum? Same for Gates. Busy explaining how ChatGPT is the best thing ever while all the money spent for “saving the world” seems to have led to nothing. Regards, Tarek Hoteit > On Apr 25, 2023, at 6:50 AM,

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Adrian Godwin via cctalk
I think museums these days are careful to make sure donations really are that. Not, probably, because they see a sale in their future but because in the event of commercial failure they don't want to have to execute thousands of different disposal requirements. On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 2:55 PM Tare

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On Apr 24, 2023, at 11:16 PM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > > Hopefully the LCM will be sold as a going concern rather than just a > firesale of the assets. > Otherwise a lot of donors and contributors would be rightfully upset - me > included. I’m already unhappy, and wishing I’d not donated

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread ED SHARPE via cctalk
But Zane you seemed disenchanted with museums even before LCM closed...  apparently you wee not happy with LCM?  Fill us in? Sent from AOL on Android On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 8:11 AM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Apr 24, 2023, at 11:16 PM, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: > > Hopeful

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 4/25/23 06:54, Tarek Hoteit via cctalk wrote: > Wasn’t his sister busy buying or selling a sports team and showed no > interests in the museum? Same for Gates. Busy explaining how ChatGPT is the > best thing ever while all the money spent for “saving the world” seems to > have led to nothing.

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Apr 25, 2023, at 11:17 AM, ED SHARPE via cctalk > wrote: > > But Zane you seemed disenchanted with museums even before LCM closed... > apparently you wee not happy with LCM? Fill us in? One oddity about LCM was that they seemed to be into non-disclosure agreements. It's rather

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Tarek Hoteit via cctalk
p.s. #2. Don’t use Windows either. Regards, Tarek Hoteit > On Apr 25, 2023, at 8:21 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > On 4/25/23 06:54, Tarek Hoteit via cctalk wrote: >> Wasn’t his sister busy buying or selling a sports team and showed no >> interests in the museum? Same for Gates. Bu

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Ethan O'Toole via cctalk
One oddity about LCM was that they seemed to be into non-disclosure agreements. It's rather bizarre for a museum to recruit people for a technical advisory group to help them with understanding old hardware, and then require them to sign an NDA for the privilege of helping them. paul

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk
> On Apr 25, 2023, at 06:03, Paul Koning via cctalk > wrote: > >  > >> On Apr 25, 2023, at 2:16 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> Hopefully the LCM will be sold as a going concern rather than just a >> firesale of the assets. >> Otherwise a lot of donors and contributors would be

[cctalk] Re: websites as subdomains under classiccmp.org

2023-04-25 Thread The Doctor via cctalk
--- Original Message --- On Monday, April 24th, 2023 at 22:48, Tarek Hoteit via cctalk wrote: > I learned today about Dave’s Old Computer website > http://dunfield.classiccmp.org/ which is > listed as a subdomain under classiccmp.org. I wasn’t aware of subdomain > sites. Can any one

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Apr 25, 2023, at 11:27 AM, Ethan O'Toole wrote: > >> One oddity about LCM was that they seemed to be into non-disclosure >> agreements. It's rather bizarre for a museum to recruit people for a >> technical advisory group to help them with understanding old hardware, and >> then requir

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Apr 25, 2023, at 11:55 AM, Alan Perry wrote: > > > >> On Apr 25, 2023, at 06:03, Paul Koning via cctalk >> wrote: >> >>  >> >>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 2:16 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hopefully the LCM will be sold as a going concern rather than just a >>> firesale

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
I’m not sure what you’re referring to. Prior to Paul Allen’s death, I was mostly happy with LCM. There is one box that I *REALLY* wish I hadn’t donated to LCM. Zane > On Apr 25, 2023, at 8:17 AM, ED SHARPE wrote: > > But Zane you seemed disenchanted with museums even before LCM closed

[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

2023-04-25 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk
IBM did develop a machine to thread the wires through cores.  The cores where held in place in a tray by vacuum and wires threaded through by hollow needles to quote the book IBM's Early Computers, "When introduced in 1959, this core threading machine reduced the time to thread X and Y wires in

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 25 Apr 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Little old Billy G? lol, like he gives a shit. He's too busy selling his snake oil and figuring out ways to turn bugs and chemicals into your next meal. I literally should have strangled him to death when I had the opportunity. Naah. Turn hi

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 4/25/23 01:16, Tom Hunter via cctalk wrote: Hopefully the LCM will be sold as a going concern rather than just a firesale of the assets. Otherwise a lot of donors and contributors would be rightfully upset - me included. I am disappointed that Bill Gates hasn't bought it already to continue Pa

[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

2023-04-25 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 4/25/23 10:46, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: > IBM did develop a machine to thread the wires through cores.  The cores > where held in place in a tray by vacuum and wires threaded through by > hollow needles to quote the book IBM's Early Computers, "When introduced > in 1959, this core threading

[cctalk] Re: websites as subdomains under classiccmp.org

2023-04-25 Thread Tarek Hoteit via cctalk
Interesting. So what comes up using The Doctor's URL are: - CPM Archives http://cpmarchives.classiccmp.org - Altair 32 http://altair32.classiccmp.org - url with broken links http://joe.classiccmp.org - Joe's Computer Mania http://joe.classiccmp.org/joespage.htm - some 6800 material http://sjscla

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Christopher Zach via cctalk
Let's see where this goes. I might need to do a forensic dump, fire up my NeXT and find the letters and documents around ai.ai.mit.edu Figured this would happen. On April 25, 2023 3:03:02 PM GMT+02:00, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > >> On Apr 25, 2023, at 2:16 AM, Tom Hunter via cctalk >>

[cctalk] Re: One of Paul Allen's Museums

2023-04-25 Thread Christopher Zach via cctalk
Well there is an agreement that if paul ever got tired of ai, lost interest, and wanted to get rid of it then I would show up with a U-Haul to pick it up off the dock. All this has happened before, all this will happen again. Digex, sandstorm, ftp, etc. Funny I thought it would end with Paul.

[cctalk] Re: flipchip cleaning and pin corrosion inhibition

2023-04-25 Thread Christopher Zach via cctalk
People who used to do watches. Similar size issues. On April 25, 2023 3:38:16 PM GMT+02:00, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > > >> On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:25 AM, KenUnix via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> Rod, >> >> Never heard the singing. Switch room's were too noisy. >> >> It always amazed me that t