[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
All very good points. This is why I'm putting together the organization I've described. It is to fill in where the surviving family members can't take on the burden. Sellam On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 11:25 PM Doc Shipley via cctalk wrote: > On 6/27/24 00:29, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > > On W

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Doc Shipley via cctalk
On 6/27/24 00:29, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:17 PM Doc Shipley via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: Much, much more important than the money, though, is the impact leaving a large collection would have on my descendants. News Flash: THESE TREASURES ARE THE

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:17 PM Doc Shipley via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Much, much more important than the money, though, is the impact leaving > a large collection would have on my descendants. News Flash: > > THESE TREASURES ARE THEIR TRASH. > > It would be unconscionable for me

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Doc Shipley via cctalk
To some extent I agree with you, but the Sunk Cost Fallacy is a real thing. I'm 50-ish minutes from turning 66 years old. I've already outlived most of my contemporaries and the collectors I knew personally are either dead or lost interest long ago. In good conscience, I simply can't avoid d

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread cz via cctalk
*nod* And then there's the PERQ tapes and schematics that we rescued from Bob Davis' house over a decade after he died in a tragic accident. That may be the last and only copy of PERQ OS and application files, he was the guardian of those systems. The writer and maintainer of the FAQ. And ever

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
I'm reminded of how long it took to get access to Don Maslin's disk collection. His widow didn't want to deal with it. Very fortunate that the storage fees were paid. --Chuck

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Wayne S via cctalk
Everyone have their collections appraised and see what their worth. Might be eye-opening. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 26, 2024, at 18:44, Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:24 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk > wrote: > >> In the meantime, set up price lists, and means

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Jim Brain via cctalk
On 6/26/2024 8:07 PM, W2HX via cctalk wrote: None of our survivors will give a rats-arse about getting even a nickel for this stuff. All they will want is for it to be gone. They would probably even pay to have it carted away. So I don't think any economic analysis of how to dispose of a co

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:24 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > In the meantime, set up price lists, and means for contacting survivors. > And compete over who will charge the least to haul it all away. > > > When I die, my sister has a list of email addresses, including this list > and a few indi

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
In the meantime, set up price lists, and means for contacting survivors. And compete over who will charge the least to haul it all away. When I die, my sister has a list of email addresses, including this list and a few individuals. Show up with a truck, and make sure that she sees that you

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread W2HX via cctalk
None of our survivors will give a rats-arse about getting even a nickel for this stuff. All they will want is for it to be gone. They would probably even pay to have it carted away. So I don't think any economic analysis of how to dispose of a collection to maximize return is relevant. Sent

[cctalk] Re: SMECC museum status

2024-06-26 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote: Were there any posts about that on this list? I didn't see that either. https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/glendale-az/edward-sharpe-11846518 Here is what was on the list: Subject: Re: [cctalk] Fwd: [GreenKeys] FW: [cca] Ed Sharpe, KF

[cctalk] Re: SMECC museum status

2024-06-26 Thread Glen Slick via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024, 3:14 PM Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > On Jun 26, 2024, at 2:23 PM, John Herron via cctalk > wrote: > > > > While we're on the topic of the fate of collections and museums, does > > anyone know if SMECC (Southwest Museum of Engineering, Communications and > > Computation) i

[cctalk] Re: SMECC museum status

2024-06-26 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
On Jun 26, 2024, at 2:23 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: > > While we're on the topic of the fate of collections and museums, does > anyone know if SMECC (Southwest Museum of Engineering, Communications and > Computation) is ok? I'm unaware if there was staff outside of Ed Sharpe > (who respec

[cctalk] SMECC museum status

2024-06-26 Thread John Herron via cctalk
While we're on the topic of the fate of collections and museums, does anyone know if SMECC (Southwest Museum of Engineering, Communications and Computation) is ok? I'm unaware if there was staff outside of Ed Sharpe (who respectfully rests in piece).

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Teo Zenios via cctalk
When you sell it as a lot all you are doing is taking pennies on the dollar and the buyer gets all the profit. If collecting starts to decline the buyer still makes money, if the hobby goes up they make even more money. The issue starts to suck more if you actually paid a pretty penny for your

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk
May I ask what Qbus cards? I still need some for my MicroVAXen and my MicroPDPs ... Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk schrieb am Mi., 26. Juni 2024, 18:49: > I really can't see how this would work. I see the big problem being one > that Sellam has faced before, that is paying for storage for the stuff.

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:31 AM Teo Zenios via cctalk wrote: > Ditching a collection is a full time job. It took you so many years to put > it together and it will take the same amount of time to part it out if you > expect to get any real money out of it (unless you sell the most wanted > items

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk
I really can't see how this would work. I see the big problem being one that Sellam has faced before, that is paying for storage for the stuff. You can put whatever you want in a trust document, but how do you pay for the storage or stop someone simply trashing it. Unless there is something of ex

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Teo Zenios via cctalk
Ditching a collection is a full time job. It took you so many years to put it together and it will take the same amount of time to part it out if you expect to get any real money out of it (unless you sell the most wanted items and recycle the rest). -Original Message- From: brad via

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 9:01 AM brad via cctalk wrote: > I have thought about this a lot.. and as I begin to creep into my 50s and > experience real aging and the health issues that sometimes come with that, > I am giving serious thought to liquidating well before I die. Even at very > conservat

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread brad via cctalk
I have thought about this a lot.. and as I begin to creep into my 50s and experience real aging and the health issues that sometimes come with that, I am giving serious thought to liquidating well before I die.  Even at very conservative average ebay values I've got a lot of money tied up in thi

[cctalk] Re: Chumba on discord

2024-06-26 Thread Kirk Davis via cctalk
2nd this. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 25, 2024, at 7:47 PM, js--- via cctalk wrote: > >  > I'm not involved, Sellam, but just the ignore the trolls. Life is too short. > > >> On 6/25/2024 9:33 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 7:29 PM Eric Moore via cctalk >>

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 11:29 AM Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 7:52 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > It's not as simple as just making a living will or a trust for your > > collection. HIstorical computers

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 7:52 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > It's not as simple as just making a living will or a trust for your > collection. HIstorical computers are not stock portfolios. The storage > and management costs outweigh the value over time. I have be

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
On Wed, Jun 26, 2024 at 10:01 AM geneb via cctalk wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jun 2024, Paul Koning wrote: > > >> 1. Truth is an affirmative defence against "libel". > > > > That depends on the country. What you say is correct in the USA; I have > the impression it isn't in the UK. > > > > Absolutely.

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Antonio Carlini via cctalk
On 26/06/2024 15:01, geneb via cctalk wrote: On Wed, 26 Jun 2024, Paul Koning wrote: 1. Truth is an affirmative defence against "libel". That depends on the country.  What you say is correct in the USA; I have the impression it isn't in the UK. Absolutely.  The UK enjoys heavily weaponiz

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024, Paul Koning wrote: 1. Truth is an affirmative defence against "libel". That depends on the country. What you say is correct in the USA; I have the impression it isn't in the UK. Absolutely. The UK enjoys heavily weaponized butthurt. ;) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Hans-Ulrich Hölscher via cctalk
Although my collection does not contain any particularly rare computers, I am still interested in the RLT. I live in Germany and therefore need a version adapted to German law. Thank you for your efforts! Ulli Am Mi., 26. Juni 2024 um 04:22 Uhr schrieb Sellam Abraham via cctalk < cctalk@classicc

[cctalk] Re: Revocable Living Trust for Computer Collectors

2024-06-26 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 25, 2024, at 10:11 PM, geneb via cctalk wrote: > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2024, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > >> The below quoted message is a libel. I have demanded an apology and >> retraction from Eric Moore via e-mail. The ball is in his court. >> > > I was today years old when

[cctalk] Re: Seattle’s Living Computers Museum logs off for good as Paul Allen estate will auction vintage items

2024-06-26 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jun 25, 2024, at 8:11 PM, Sellam Abraham via cctalk > wrote: > > ... > How do we even know for sure that his sister, Jody, is actually the legal > executor to his estate? I think that's a bit of a silly question. For one thing, "executor" is a status assigned by a probate court, and c