You stop being rude you big burly baby. Get a life. I'm not your hobby, as
hard as you're trying to make me so.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2023, 03:37:20 AM EST, Christian Corti via
cctalk wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023, skogkatt...@yahoo.com wrote:
> separating the 2. So please stop com
On Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 06:28:55 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> why does this happen? how do I "reset" a floppy drive (in windows) so
> that it tells me what's on the current disk, not what was on the
> p
why does this happen? how do I "reset" a floppy drive (in windows) so that it
tells me what's on the current disk, not what was on the previous disk that's
been removed.
I've used neither. I have FWII here. Going to attempt to read the floppies (it
was sealed when I got my hands on it). Which do you prefer.
On Tuesday, January 31, 2023, 02:02:15 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
Much of what is known about StoneHenge is purely speculation. (although I
have a trivially simple hypothesis about HOW "they managed incredible
calculations" for the placement of the stones.)
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...
I take pains to clearly differentiate what I'm saying from what I'm quoting
(and usually on a phone). All the while I have to struggle readimg others mish
mosh, often there not even being a single line separating the 2. So please stop
complaining. Learn to adapt and overcome. On Tuesday, Ja
It had a dedicated cassette port? Don't most cassette ports resemble a serial
port, or is my wonky brain making that up? What protocols did most cassette
ports use (c64/128?, IBM 5150, coco ...)?
I cam't help you. But let me get this strait. 2 cocos connected with ... a
null modem cable? can send info to one another in basic? What is the
corresponding send commamd? Or was this simply intended to accept data from a
cassette recorder? It still seems sending data coco to coco should't be t
It's just an empty chassis. It and the blue dual floppy MDS drive cabinet are
the only 2 MB items I've owned for years.
Maybe I have the part # wrong. I habe to dig itnout. Looks like this or very
similar:
https://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102652384_[1]
I obtained a bunch of MB (1?) cards from a fellow list member. Mostly Intel, 1
Matrox video card. Didn'y see a floppy controller anywhere, but I'll have to
look closer. I have an Intel 286/20 chassis (the 20 doesn't mean mhz). Got to
get me a keyboard and I'll be all set, right? O how I wish. Th
Trimble! I believe that was my drill seargent typing teacher's name was. My
idiot friend who sat in front (maybe even in a different class) would call her
Ms. Tremble. Because she made him do that.
@ Fred - " ...in Walnut Creek..."
C: any affiation to WC CD-ROM? Wiki says they were around in ms-dos says.
How could I forget to mention. Procured a copy of Mavis Beacon for the Tandy
1000 a number of years ago. Always wanted to hone my decrepit skills. I want to
say I scanned the short manual and imaged the disk. I can't swear to it though.
I want to write a book. You know on the puter. Type it. Ne
On Friday, January 27, 2023, 12:42:46 AM EST, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 8:15 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> We also probably don't have very many athletes here. Although lugging
> this shit around does build up some strength.
>
Ahem. I was league champion i
On Thursday, January 26, 2023, 11:10:42 PM EST, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 5:15 PM Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> And, yes, even as a male I had typing in high school.
>
I had typing as an elective class in 7th grade in 1984.
There were printers in the 80s, used by the IRS and such, that spit out paper
so fast it wasn't safe to be near. This is what I've heard.
I have a few scanned somewhere. I always kimd of liked Douglas Halls
Microprocessors and Interfacing: Programming and Hardware for 80x86. It's a
large format textbook. There is a 68000 version which I don't have. Curious
what textbooks other can recommend.
As I said I scanned at least 2, maybe
Dang it purdy.
Alas I'm 3000 miles away.
Companies don't care about history. It does not affect the next
quarter's sales. I had serial number 1 of a Radio Shack shortwave
receiver and offered it to them.
I got a reply back, 'I'm sorry, we no longer support that model.'
cheers,
Nigel
C: wow I didn't even know the Shirt Shack monitored
The 2" LT-1 disk was apparently also made by Panasonic.
Wondering if other devices used it.
On Monday, January 23, 2023, 09:58:07 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
sorry, never had one.
Chuck might know the cookie coercivity specs!
8" and 5.25" were 300 Oersted
5.25" HD was 600 Oersted
I think that 720K 3.5" was about 600 Oersted
and 1.4M was about 720-750, being close enoug
Ah come on Jim fess up. You bought too many bags of gonja that way. Like the
rest of us.
This schnitzel is too funny.
And cheap floppys are still like crack to this day. To some of us anyway.
On Monday, January 23, 2023, 09:14:08 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
How many Oersted was it?
C: in the spirit of the blessedness bestowed upon me, having received this
email twice, I've decided to breakup my reply into 2 equal but distinct parts.
And answer his questions in reverse or
The nice thing was by the mid 80s there didn't seem to be crap disks. Some guy
had a shop in some basement. Commodore stuff mostly iirc. He was selling
generic didks. They were cheap, probably 4 for a dollar. I never had a problem
with a single 1. Can't recall if I ever formatted them to 720k t
5$ for an 8" disk isn't even remotely pricey. Especially given the amount of
computers that use them. I only have 1 computer remaining that utilizes them
(and 5 1/4") and would love to see it boot off one.
I have no luck with disks either. Again the humidity may have something to do
with it.
While I never actually suspected I'd own every IBM inxompatible made, I scored
a bunch. Sold off a bunch. I can't say whether my Northstar Dimension or my NEC
APC III would be the last to go. Preferably neither. I often find myaelf
fawning over your bog standatd clone also. Don't particularly c
Mike, our time (and energy) on this earth is limited. For some more limited
then others. Like the old Dr. Who (circa 1989) when asked if he foumd
butterflies interesting, replied "My good man, I find everything interesting".
As do I. As do a lot of people. Some people are geared towards diving
Ok the MS used 2" disks. I suspect only Fuji made them. I am that mental.
245 tpi 720kb. That thing was a beast in it's day. Like a LOTR dwarf champion
or something.
There is surprisingly little interest in Techtronics gear despite the coolness
factor. As for the Intel MFS? System, which is Multibus? I have a whole crate
of mb cards on the way so FUGGEDABOUTIT :)
When I was shopping for my first computer, I looked at the CoCo. In reality
anything TRS-80 re
@ Mike Stein
Not everything is criticism. I only corrected a rather obtuse notion about
people replacing mechanical drives with solid state ones. Everyone would love
to use their original equipment if it was practical. I for 1 have NO luck with
floppy disks. Is it my part of the country? Coul
There's a harmless, inquisitive "I can't understand...". Then there's the
bitchy intolerant variant. People will go wild when I say what's the point of
an Imsai, or any uP prior to 8086/68000. I don't undervalue things that I don't
find interesting though. But honestly can't understand the droo
I've never ever heard anyone state they like Goteks better then floppy drives.
The media is difficult to find in a usable state. That puts a big crimp on any
joy you may obtain from using original equipment. Hence people opt for the next
best thing. Which offers a number of conveniences I'll ad
I never knew there was a 6847. The 6545 used in the TI Pro is compatible to
whatever degree with the 6845 despite producing 100 more lines of revolution.
The 6847 not so.
I don't even remember signing up for the RetroAbout64K mailing list. I haven't
seen any actual dicussion in my remembrance. But I do get once or twice a week
an email about COCO Nation or some such. Sounds like a hot chocolate
enthusiasts group seeking world domination. Anyway I've had COCOs goi
Reminds me of the p/s in the Mindset. One could not rule out it catching on
fire. I got a beat up MS years ago. The first time I plugged it in it blew the
breakers.
Got this message twice, hours apart. And ...
On Sunday, January 22, 2023, 11:52:48 PM EST, Chris Zach via cctalk
wrote:
*
Last interactive login on Monday, January 23, 2023 21:37:35 (TT1:)
>
... time and date are off by a da
Originally as I understand it the mouse as a product of Xerox was intended not
so much for general use but to aid youngins and disabled people with their
usage. And despite the never-mousers, predominantly linux fanatics, it's an
indispensable tool for nearly everyone. There was a stint where I
Ok Jimmo. Thanks for setting me strait!
On Saturday, January 21, 2023, 09:04:39 PM EST, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
wrote:
The Zenith MiniSport? I've got one, with about 7 minidisks.
Sellam
I have 2 already. Wanna sell me 1 disk? I'm toying with the possibility of
making them. I actually used to have a single disk, but took it apar
You read it right. I think only Zenith and Fujifilm made them.
And 1 of the floppies (it may habe 3) was full height. So maybe someone was
trying to pawn it off as a real xt, piling everything they could into the box
to make it convincing as possible.
I obviously am into pain. But not so much that I want to wrestle with a
mfm/rll/esdi drive. I didn't say I was going to use it for much. The black p/s
may not even work. It didn't have a white switch don't think. The point is if I
got it all working it would be aomething of an 80s retro type of
On Saturday, January 21, 2023, 03:56:06 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
Why not gold-plate? Gold was under $200 an ounce fora while, and the
thickness was thin.
In all honesty I hadn't allowed for non gold plated lids. Didn't know they were
a thing. I certainly have no problem with gilde
I for 1 am getting duplicates of some messages. It's been happening for weeks.
Figured it was time to say something.
Sheesh! Keep it offlist would ya. I'm already in hot water :)
Jim I know all that. Bill found something unclear, it seemed to me anyway.
My question was why a 1.44MB Gotek could't be made ro behave like a 720kb
Gotek. I didn't know others made Gotek clones. Whenever someone wanted to use a
Gotek with something other then a PC, something had to be written
Brain via cctalk
wrote:
On 1/21/2023 12:33 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> Sorry, I don't understand this comment at all.
>
> bill
>
> C: Jim Brain's comment or my question about converting a 1.44MB Gotek
> to 720kb?
>
I apologize, as I didn't mean to say
The 720kbs are ~60% more money. You have to have one of those for an Atari ST,
Amiga, etc. I hate overpaying. I'm quite the tight wad.
k.com.
Please respect the mailing list.
Sellam
On Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 10:42 AM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> Looking for a recommendation for an older (or even newer, some d games
> have been rereleased anyway) for a either historical boxed table game ~A.D.
> 400 - 1300. Or something sci-fi
Looking for a recommendation for an older (or even newer, some d games have
been rereleased anyway) for a either historical boxed table game ~A.D. 400 -
1300. Or something sci-fi (nothing tv or movie related though).
Sorry, I don't understand this comment at all.
bill
C: Jim Brain's comment or my question about converting a 1.44MB Gotek to 720kb?
Well the latgest question I have is whether early NEC chips with any lida were
commonly used to populate tne 5162. And if your lids aren't gold plated, is the
lid aluminum or some related alloy?
I have an xt mobo and some portion is populated w/NEC 4116 or 4164 chips (but
4116s were specific to the 5150, no? It's not in front of me). There are a
bunch on the board, not sure if it's all the ram. Was this typical (I'm sure
that wasn't the case). Is this an example of an early 5160? Why di
So converting a 1.44MB gotek to 720kb isn't possible? Seeing you habe to
replace the or some part of the stock firmware to use one with difderemt
computers would suggest it is a possibility.
On Saturday, January 21, 2023, 09:44:48 AM EST, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
On 1/20/2
le is
confirmed.
Bill
On Fri, Jan 20, 2023, 4:13 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> How do you know if a termimation is suitable? Is connection all you have
> to worry about? I have an HP Ultra 320 drive, a 320/m compliant adapter (id
> jumpered to 2. Does a this need to be 0 for a single driv
How do you know if a termimation is suitable? Is connection all you have to
worry about? I have an HP Ultra 320 drive, a 320/m compliant adapter (id
jumpered to 2. Does a this need to be 0 for a single drive setup?), the cable
with an ultra 320m terminator (" LVD + SE ACT NEG + HVD ISO " printed
At least 1 person is interested in a Canon AS-100 boot disk. I know my day
will come.
Remember they came with an error or some weirdness from Canon. You couldn't use
normal disks with it. They had to be supplied by Canon, whether 5 1/4" or 8".
These were sold to me as new, but the a.s bags they're in don't look new. Got
them from BGMicro. These wouldn't be easy to test.
50$ per plus shipping. Check or m.o. No exceptions.
45$ per plus honest shipping. These are new, bought them from Zon 7/2019. Never
did anything with them.
I also have 2 power bricks, 1 new, 1 a little used (from an old Sony dvd
burnwr). Free with purchase. Both supply 3 amps at least.
I suppose I could test these. I'll leave that up to tje buy
So if it needs usb 2.0, that would rule out hosts prior to Pentium 3/4 iinm.
So ... can the GW be physically installed on a machine that doesn't have usb
capability. But have the data stream analyzed (on the fly) by a different
computer via it's usb capability?
ake the I2s for instance. Is the hardware any more reliable, longevity wise,
then your average good quality pc?
On Friday, January 20, 2023, 10:53:41 AM EST, Jack Berry via cctalk
wrote:
Location?
From: Chris via cctalk
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2023 9:07 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.o
As an aside, I don't know if it's true, but I was told at least in
Pennsylvania the SP and FBI use the same computer system. Have exclusive access
to the same databases maybe. Wbereas normal cops won't. There may be truth to
it, as 1 Sunday night, when the police dept. shut down (!) I opted to
It seems at least the early versions need a fdc. Afaik my bare board is the
first iteration. It also controls via usb (-c). I'm still figuring stuff out.
Like "take 1 blue pill prior to initializing device". Or somethink like that.
On Friday, January 20, 2023, 04:53:34 AM EST, Christian Cor
ObGyn. I had to
ask - were there any pictures on it LOL LOL LOL. What the! Ee On
Thursday, January 19, 2023, 10:28:52 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> So the ideal setup for best utilizing a GW is what? Or does it not
>
So the ideal setup for best utilizing a GW is what? Or does it not matter if
it's a 5150 or a Pentium4?
I habe an early GW board (bare)? Should I populate that? Or is it essential to
have the latest (rec. 4?)?
@ Fred
I remember Chuck making reference to "a" Squid some time ago. It turns out the
term refers to software. I had suspected it was much more.
via cctalk
wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> I have to be honest at this point. A disk srive in some sense "responds"
> in some sense to changes in flux density around the surface of disks. So
> what is the GW picking up, other then what the drive is alread
I'm very very tired. Apologies. On Thursday, January 19, 2023, 09:41:13 PM
EST, Tony Jones via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:36 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> If we're talking about the same diskimage program, I thought it ran under
> MS/PC-DOS?
>
Do
If we're talking about the same diskimage program, I thought it ran under
MS/PC-DOS?
On Thursday, January 19, 2023, 09:27:47 PM EST, Tony Jones via cctalk
wrote:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 6:23 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> Does it read a disk better then say Diskimage c
Now this ia going to sound naive, but could't every law firm and attorney
general in the country be informed of the possibility of retrieving data from
old disks? And their volatility? And what to and not to do with an old disk
until it's put in the hands of someone that could retrieve data?
N
I have to be honest at this point. A disk srive in some sense "responds" in
some sense to changes in flux density around the surface of disks. So what is
the GW picking up, other then what the drive is already reading? It's an
interim device that sits between the drive amd the cable. It makes u
If my 2 cents matters (not likely), I didn't see it as an argument either. An
ancient DEC disk should best be handled by someone with loads of specific DEC
knowledge. If there are other ways to solve the problem, and there often are,
hey use them.
Are there any formats a GW can't handle? What
Great story.
Now ... what should I do with my rev. 1 GW circuit board? Toss it and get the
latest? Or it still any good?
I personally would love to hear the conversation. But I don't want to be pot
stirrer. And as devoted a Republican as I am (HA!), I'll be the first to say
every party has it's ample share of idiots.
On Thursday, January 19, 2023, 04:29:29 PM EST, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
wrote:
On Th
@ Fred - it just might be the requirements to get a license aren't stringent
enough.
All I can say is if you haven't watched Terminator: the Sarah Connor
Chronicles ... um why not? I didn't even know it existed prior to 3 years ago.
Actually pretty thought provoking at times. Maybe ChatGPT will end up being
like John Henry and save us from the terminators. Quite tje opposite of
@ Fred C.
I don't know. I always thought it was kind of a nice idea. Doctors fer instance
are so stupid these days. They need all the help they can get. An expert system
back in the 80s w/o the level of collaboration we have possible today may not
have been worth much. But such a system that g
OMG! At least I'm not alone in my paranoia about this stuff.
All I can say is don't go sending your DNA off to some lab to see who yer
great^n grandaddy was. Then there's less chance of the forthcoming Superbrain
AI knowing which switches in which strand of DNA need to flipped to turn you
into
Not sure if my reply made it to the list. Yahoo seems to indicate it didn't -
When they prove idiots will be far less prone to hit me, I'll be for that. I'll
still choose to drive myself though.
If you give someone else the keys, you may wind up going somewhere you don't
want to. That'a what h
@ Bill Gunshannon
Long live PROLOG dude! Something I've never delved into but am fascinated by.
Expert systems are just tricked out database systems. I have to imagine they
are used. They just never lived up to the hype. AI in any form, I suppose, will
make real what many had as a vision for c
But "we" or "they" have been calling the IBM PC a 16 bit computer for ages.
The question is what type of information has the ai been programmed to deliver.
Higjly accurate technical info? Or info that is suitable for the umwashed
masses? Could the ai be called upon to assist a surgeon doing a
The previous was sent accidentally. Not even sure how it got sent - AHA THE AI
AT WORK!!
Regardless attempting to trim post on a phone is pure agony. Maybe I'll just go
back to replying without any previous posts. Howzat sound?
On Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 03:19:15 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>> My worst nightmare, which is sure to become reality is for it to become
>> a weapon, like most technology eventually does.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2023, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
> In any case, how are they go
via cctalk
wrote:
On 1/17/23 12:10, Chris via cctalk wrote:
>
> It seems at this point that AI can only look shit up.
Which is all Watson could do when it "beat" humans at Jeopardy.
> I don't doubt that eventually these things will learn how to reason to
>wh
Fred, that outcome may actually be favorable to other possible fates AI could
intend for humanity. Harland Ellison wrote a short story well over 30 years
ago, describing the plight of 4 humans trapped inside a really big AI. The
machine had the ability to alter their dna, turning some of them i
Jan 17, 2023 at 8:57 AM Chris via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>> The bottom line is you have to dispense with the fantasy that any media
>> will reliably keep data for really any length of time.
>
>
> I don't know, man. Those stone walls with carvings in them have
ctalk
wrote:
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 8:57 AM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> The bottom line is you have to dispense with the fantasy that any media
> will reliably keep data for really any length of time.
I don't know, man. Those stone walls with carvings in them have carried
data fo
damned things can make food guesses. But so
much bullshit is being programmed into these things already, in the ways they
are taught how to think, I really have to believe we're all going to need
bunkers before long.
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 11:56:46 AM EST, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
The bottom line is you have to dispense with the fantasy that any media will
reliably keep data for really any length of time. You must habe resundancy. You
could go the optical route, but even witj redundancy I don't recommend it. If
it's a small amount of data, maybe it's not such a bad idea,
Why wouldbyou need a whole server? Several 2.5" usb hard drives is all you
meed.
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 10:59:08 AM EST, Kenneth Gober via cctalk
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 9:48 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> > What about M-DISC DVDs and BluRays? Archival grade, not
an 17, 2023 at 05:42:55AM +0000, Chris via cctalk wrote:
[...]
> The only answer that anyone can provide is redundancy. Keep 2 or 3 copies
> of everything on seperate external drives. Every 3 to 5 years buy new
> drives and transfer the data to them. Or just run checkdisk twice a year
&g
Newsprint from 1800s if stored properly is still white. No sense in getting
all expensive.
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 07:59:12 AM EST, Diane Bruce via cctalk
wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 06:48:11PM -0800, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> > What about M-DISC DVDs and BluRays? Arc
e:
On 1/16/23 21:54, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> No one even bothered to try and answer my first question, which wasn't
>actually posed as a question but that's irrelevant!!
>
> Can these things make food guesses. It was a long time ago, 15 - 20 years, I
> was watchin
How's about just convwrting IV to 77?
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 01:02:16 AM EST, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
On 1/16/23 21:45, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> How well does it do on something "simple", and less esoteric, such as
> translating FORTRAN to BASIC?
How about FORTRAN t
No one even bothered to try and answer my first question, which wasn't
actually posed as a question but that's irrelevant!!
Can these things make food guesses. It was a long time ago, 15 - 20 years, I
was watching Jeopardy and within a relatively short span of time, days or weeks
apart, I succ
9:48:17 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
> What about M-DISC DVDs and BluRays? Archival grade, not susceptible
to magnetism or EMP. I think BluRay discs are made of a harder material than
DVDs and don’t scratch as easily.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> Don&#x
uary 16, 2023, 09:04:48 PM EST, Ryan de
Laplante via cctalk wrote:
What about M-DISC DVDs and BluRays? Archival grade, not susceptible to
magnetism or EMP. I think BluRay discs are made of a harder material than DVDs
and don’t scratch as easily.
> On Jan 16, 2023, at 8:11 PM,
They write songs, create works of art. They can do a lot of stuff. The question
in my mind is can these AI appliances make guesses and are they any good at it.
Anyway how hard would it be for an AI to rewrite a standard MS-DOS to suit a
particular machine? Have they reached the level of sophisti
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