The majority of the examples in the textbook were just simple decision
trees! Trivial to flowchart. And if you can follow a troubleshooting
flowchart, you are already doing what the "expert system" does.
Pretty much. I remember typing in "Animal Guess" on my Vic-20 from an
article in Comput
On 1/19/23 16:59, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
> A major problem with the Forbin project is when I first saw it, I knew
> that the permissive action link in the nuclear-armed missile would
> prevent it from being detonated in the silo. The PAL requires
> acceleration of liftoff, coast and decelerat
On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 07:42:41PM -0800, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> Me: Translate the disassembly of the boot sector code for PC DOS 1.0 into
> 7080 autocoder.
>
> ChatGPT: "It is not possible to simply translate the disassembly of the
> boot sector code for PC DOS 1.0 into 7080 autocoder
On 1/19/23 15:25, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:43 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
All I can say is if you haven't watched Terminator: the Sarah Connor
Chronicles ... um why not? I didn't even know it existed prior to 3 years
ago. Actually pretty thought provoking at
I personally would love to hear the conversation. But I don't want to be pot
stirrer. And as devoted a Republican as I am (HA!), I'll be the first to say
every party has it's ample share of idiots.
On Thursday, January 19, 2023, 04:29:29 PM EST, Sellam Abraham via cctalk
wrote:
On Th
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 1:17 PM Ali via cctalk
wrote:
>
> > I don't know. I always thought it was kind of a nice idea. Doctors fer
> > instance are so stupid these days. They need all the help they can get.
>
> In what way are they so stupid?
>
I could answer this pretty much definitively but th
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 12:43 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> All I can say is if you haven't watched Terminator: the Sarah Connor
> Chronicles ... um why not? I didn't even know it existed prior to 3 years
> ago. Actually pretty thought provoking at times. Maybe ChatGPT will end up
> being like Jo
On 1/19/23 12:25, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> At least the machines care ;)
>
I'm reminded of an episode of "The Outer Limits", where even the prison
psychiatrist is an AI.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0667983/
--Chuck
> I don't know. I always thought it was kind of a nice idea. Doctors fer
> instance are so stupid these days. They need all the help they can get.
In what way are they so stupid?
-Ali
On 2023-01-19 07:05, Chris via cctalk wrote:
The question is what type of information has the ai been programmed to
deliver. Higjly accurate technical info? Or info that is suitable for the
umwashed masses?
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023, emanuel stiebler via cctalk wrote:
Old rule for all data collecti
All I can say is if you haven't watched Terminator: the Sarah Connor
Chronicles ... um why not? I didn't even know it existed prior to 3 years ago.
Actually pretty thought provoking at times. Maybe ChatGPT will end up being
like John Henry and save us from the terminators. Quite tje opposite of
On Thu, Jan 19, 2023 at 11:54 AM Bill Degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Has Chatgtp absorbed the CCTALK/TECH lists? Someone should do a test. It
> would be easy if you pick an esoteric question that was probably only
> asked/answered on this list. I kinda have been avoiding set
On 19/01/2023 20:25, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
At least the machines care ;)
Sellam
That's possibly the best epitaph any of us will ever get :-)
Antonio
--
Antonio Carlini
anto...@acarlini.com
Me: What can you tell me about the Classic Computers mailing list?
ChatGPT: I'm sorry, I am not aware of any specific "Classic Computers
mailing list." Could you provide more information or context about the
mailing list you are asking about?
Me: It was started in 1997 by Bill Whitson and eventua
@ Fred C.
I don't know. I always thought it was kind of a nice idea. Doctors fer instance
are so stupid these days. They need all the help they can get. An expert system
back in the 80s w/o the level of collaboration we have possible today may not
have been worth much. But such a system that g
OMG! At least I'm not alone in my paranoia about this stuff.
All I can say is don't go sending your DNA off to some lab to see who yer
great^n grandaddy was. Then there's less chance of the forthcoming Superbrain
AI knowing which switches in which strand of DNA need to flipped to turn you
into
Has Chatgtp absorbed the CCTALK/TECH lists? Someone should do a test. It
would be easy if you pick an esoteric question that was probably only
asked/answered on this list. I kinda have been avoiding setting up an
account with CHATGPT because I feel like it would be too intrusive into my
life, soc
Coincidentally, I just saw this article on CNN:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/19/tech/chatgpt-future-davos/index.html
I think it says more about the state of education, even among the "elite," than
it does about the state of "AI."
But that's just me.
Will
On Thu, 19 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote:
Long live PROLOG dude! Something I've never delved into but am
fascinated by.
Expert systems are just tricked out database systems. I have to imagine
they are used. They just never lived up to the hype. AI in any form, I
suppose, will make real wha
On 19/01/2023 15:25, Chris via cctalk wrote:
Never been in an accident that wasn't TOTALLY AND ENTIRELY the fault of the
other driver. And in both instances they hit me. So after 38 years of driving,
I need a computer to do it for me. Sorry I'll pass.
Maybe 10(+?) years from now, assuming L5
@ Bill Gunshannon
Long live PROLOG dude! Something I've never delved into but am fascinated by.
Expert systems are just tricked out database systems. I have to imagine they
are used. They just never lived up to the hype. AI in any form, I suppose, will
make real what many had as a vision for c
On 2023-01-19 07:05, Chris via cctalk wrote:
The question is what type of information has the ai been programmed to deliver. Higjly accurate technical info? Or info that is suitable for the umwashed masses?
Old rule for all data collections: SH*T in, SH*T out
On 1/19/23 07:05, Chris via cctalk wrote:
The question is what type of information has the ai been programmed to deliver. Higjly accurate technical info? Or info that is suitable for the umwashed masses? Could the ai be called upon to assist a surgeon doing a type of operation for the first time
But "we" or "they" have been calling the IBM PC a 16 bit computer for ages.
The question is what type of information has the ai been programmed to deliver.
Higjly accurate technical info? Or info that is suitable for the umwashed
masses? Could the ai be called upon to assist a surgeon doing a
Whew, this could destroy all recorded knowledge if it goes on
contaminating information repositories like this.
That's a good point: There are already a number of crap web sites that
purport to have information, only it's been scraped from other sites and
re-branded as a mish-mosh for search e
On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 6:32 PM Rich Alderson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > /It's worth noting that the PDP-11 was a 36-bit word machine and the DC
> > LO and DC HI signals were used to transfer 18-bits of data at a time. It
> > has also a feature of memory mapping, where it can a
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 11:46:33 -0800
> From: Jay Logue via cctalk
> //On 1/16/2023 6:05 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
>> They write songs, create works of art. They can do a lot of stuff. The
>> question in my mind is can these AI appliances make guesses and are they any
>> good at it.
>> Anyw
The previous was sent accidentally. Not even sure how it got sent - AHA THE AI
AT WORK!!
Regardless attempting to trim post on a phone is pure agony. Maybe I'll just go
back to replying without any previous posts. Howzat sound?
On Wednesday, January 18, 2023, 03:19:15 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
>> My worst nightmare, which is sure to become reality is for it to become
>> a weapon, like most technology eventually does.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2023, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
> In any case, how are they go
On Wed, 18 Jan 2023, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
"The Adolescence Of P1" [by Thomas J. Ryan, 1977], ends with the AI (which
started on a 360 at Waterloo) having become covert, letting humanity think
that it has been destroyed.
That is an absolutely wonderful book.
Another good read is Whe
My worst nightmare, which is sure to become reality is for it to become
a weapon, like most technology eventually does.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2023, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
In any case, how are they going to prevent the humans from cutting off their
power?
"The Adolescence Of P1" [by Thomas J
On 1/17/23 13:46, Jay Logue via cctalk wrote:
I don't know about guessing, but ChatGPT can deadpan
bullshit with the best of them...
Wow, it picked a bunch of text that must have been DEC
specific, but that was as specific as it got.
Whew, this could destroy all recorded knowledge if it goes
On 1/18/23 09:44, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>
> On 1/18/23 04:16, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
>>> If these AI weapons are implemented with current computing >
> technology, it's hard to imagine them managing to take over the world >
> before they crash/panic/BSOD/bomb etc depending on thei
On 1/18/23 04:16, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
> > If these AI weapons are implemented with current computing >
technology, it's hard to imagine them managing to take over the world >
before they crash/panic/BSOD/bomb etc depending on their specific >
flavour and/or get bricked by malware and/o
I telephoned the customer service department at a railway company. I think
the person I spoke to knew less about trains than this thing knows about
a PDP-11. Maybe they are using AI to do telephone answering now?
Regards,
Peter Coghlan.
Jay Logue via cctalk wrote:
I don't know about guessing
Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 1/17/23 19:14, Chris via cctalk wrote:
>> My worst nightmare is some fiendish AI turning me into a really beautiful
>> woman. Maybe with no arms. The Terminator future doesn't seem so bad by
>> comparison.
>>
> My worst nightmare, which is sure to become reality i
I don't know about guessing, but ChatGPT can deadpan bullshit with the
best of them...
Prompt: /Describe the purpose of the DC LO signal in the DIGITAL PDP-11
Unibus/
Response:
/The DC LO signal, also known as the "Data Bus Low" signal, is a signal
that is used on the Unibus of the Digital
On 1/17/23 19:14, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> My worst nightmare is some fiendish AI turning me into a really beautiful
> woman. Maybe with no arms. The Terminator future doesn't seem so bad by
> comparison.
>
My worst nightmare, which is sure to become reality is for it to become
a weapon, like mo
I don't know about guessing per se, but ChatGPT can deadpan bullshit
with the best of them...
Prompt: /Describe the purpose of the DC LO signal in the DIGITAL PDP-11
Unibus/
Response:
/The DC LO signal, also known as the "Data Bus Low" signal, is a signal
that is used on the Unibus of the D
Seeing the way we often behave, I'll speak for myself, making dumb mistakes
again and again, on some level we aren't much more then organic computers.
People overwhelmingly respond to the way they were programmed.
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 10:10:43 PM EST, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
Fred, that outcome may actually be favorable to other possible fates AI could
intend for humanity. Harland Ellison wrote a short story well over 30 years
ago, describing the plight of 4 humans trapped inside a really big AI. The
machine had the ability to alter their dna, turning some of them i
Unlike human students, once it has been informed that in C, etc., an
integer is signed by default, unless specified otherwise, it therefore
knows, and is not surprised at what happens when the int is incremented
past its range.
And, it probably understands that floating point numbers are an
app
On 2023-01-17 4:52 p.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 1/17/23 15:34, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 1/17/23 12:10, Chris via cctalk wrote:
It seems at this point that AI can only look shit up.
Which is all Watson could do when it "beat" humans at Jeopardy.
I don't doubt that ev
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 3:52 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On 1/17/23 15:34, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> >
> > Science still has no real idea how we think. Or how we learn. Or much
> > else about the actual functioning of the brain. Until they do how can
>
On 1/17/23 18:52, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 1/17/23 15:34, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
On 1/17/23 12:10, Chris via cctalk wrote:
It seems at this point that AI can only look shit up.
Which is all Watson could do when it "beat" humans at Jeopardy.
I don't doubt that eventuall
On 1/17/23 15:34, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> On 1/17/23 12:10, Chris via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> It seems at this point that AI can only look shit up.
>
> Which is all Watson could do when it "beat" humans at Jeopardy.
>
>> I don't doubt that eventually these things will learn how to reason
On 1/17/23 12:10, Chris via cctalk wrote:
It seems at this point that AI can only look shit up.
Which is all Watson could do when it "beat" humans at Jeopardy.
I don't doubt that eventually these things will learn how to reason to whatever degree.
Science still has no real idea how we th
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 10:20 AM Paul Koning via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> On a common metalanguage, there was an attempt to define such a thing, to
> allow software to be encoded in a way that could still be understood
> centuries from now. I have a paper about it somewhere but my
On 2023-01-17 11:19 a.m., Paul Koning wrote:
Addressing modes barely existed in the 1950s. The PDP11 introduced a bunch of new ones
in 1970; the VAX a bunch more in 1978. "Since 1978" may be true, or at least
closer.
I would rather say, Memory barely existed in the 1950s.
And RISC came ou
> On Jan 17, 2023, at 12:05 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
>
> On 2023-01-16 10:45 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>>> On 1/16/23 19:42, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
It didn't fall for your trick question.
>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>>> In fact, feed it the ob
I disagree. There are educated guesses. Wild guesses. And good guesses.
Chuck, don't know how learned you are in antiquities. But what would be your
answer to the question of a word that's synonymous with "teacher", but in
actualitu it's origin was the name of a literary character from 2500 ye
On 2023-01-16 10:45 p.m., Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
On 1/16/23 19:42, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
It didn't fall for your trick question.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
In fact, feed it the object code for a reasonably compatible
architecture and ask it to perform
On 1/16/23 22:20, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>
> Yes, conversion of FORTRAN-IV to Fortran-77 should be easy.
> And considering that many systems ADD capoabilities, converting
> Fortran-77 to FORTRAN-IV might be a bit harder.
>
If the FORTRAN IV program conformed to the ANSI 66 specification, no
c
On 1/16/23 22:23, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> But which of those constitutes guessing? The computer would likely have
> beaten me to the answer by at least a second :). It's easy enough to look up,
> for a computer that is. But in that instance a computer wouldn't need to
> guess. And for me, the
Peter Corlett wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 10:16:18AM +, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
> [...]
>> How about translating code from Z80 which has several registers to 6502
>> with rather fewer? That would seem to need some more intelligent thinking
>> on how to simulate the unavailable regi
> On Jan 17, 2023, at 04:52, Peter Coghlan via cctalk
>
> How about translating code from Z80 which has several registers to 6502 with
> rather fewer? That would seem to need some more intelligent thinking on
> how to simulate the unavailable registers without causing additional
> difficulti
On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 10:16:18AM +, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:
[...]
> How about translating code from Z80 which has several registers to 6502
> with rather fewer? That would seem to need some more intelligent thinking
> on how to simulate the unavailable registers without causing additi
Fred Cisin wrote:
How well does it do on something "simple", and less esoteric, such as
translating FORTRAN to BASIC?
On Mon, 16 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
How about FORTRAN to RPG?
Certainly more of a challenge!
But, a good way to quanitfy how far along they are getting on it.
But which of those constitutes guessing? The computer would likely have beaten
me to the answer by at least a second :). It's easy enough to look up, for a
computer that is. But in that instance a computer wouldn't need to guess. And
for me, there were no multiple choices. It was hardly an educ
How well does it do on something "simple", and less esoteric, such as
translating FORTRAN to BASIC?
On Mon, 16 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
How about FORTRAN to RPG?
Certainly more of a challenge!
But, a good way to quanitfy how far along they are getting on it.
The range of code
How's about just convwrting IV to 77?
On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 01:02:16 AM EST, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
On 1/16/23 21:45, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> How well does it do on something "simple", and less esoteric, such as
> translating FORTRAN to BASIC?
How about FORTRAN t
On 1/16/23 21:54, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> No one even bothered to try and answer my first question, which wasn't
> actually posed as a question but that's irrelevant!!
>
> Can these things make food guesses. It was a long time ago, 15 - 20 years, I
> was watching Jeopardy and within a relative
On Tue, 17 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote:
No one even bothered to try and answer my first question, which wasn't
actually posed as a question but that's irrelevant!!
Can these things make food guesses. It was a long time ago, 15 - 20
years, I was watching Jeopardy and within a relatively shor
On 1/16/23 21:45, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
> How well does it do on something "simple", and less esoteric, such as
> translating FORTRAN to BASIC?
How about FORTRAN to RPG?
--Chuck
No one even bothered to try and answer my first question, which wasn't
actually posed as a question but that's irrelevant!!
Can these things make food guesses. It was a long time ago, 15 - 20 years, I
was watching Jeopardy and within a relatively short span of time, days or weeks
apart, I succ
On 1/16/23 19:42, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
It didn't fall for your trick question.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
In fact, feed it the object code for a reasonably compatible
architecture and ask it to perform translation to another architecture's
object code.
Cer
On 1/16/23 19:42, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> It didn't fall for your trick question.
>
> Sellam
In fact, feed it the object code for a reasonably compatible
architecture and ask it to perform translation to another architecture's
object code.
Certainly within the range of human capability.
On 1/16/23 19:42, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
>
> It didn't fall for your trick question.
>
> Sellam
Right, but that isn't what I asked. Take a segment of x86 assembly,
sans any comments that performs a simple math problem using no I//O,
such as computing a Fibonacci sequence, storing it in
On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 7:09 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
ChatGPT can translate x86 assembly to 7080 autocoder? That would be
something...
On Mon, 16 Jan 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Me: Translate the disassembly of the boot sector code for PC DOS 1.0 into
7080 autocoder.
Cha
Me: Translate the disassembly of the boot sector code for PC DOS 1.0 into
7080 autocoder.
ChatGPT: "It is not possible to simply translate the disassembly of the
boot sector code for PC DOS 1.0 into 7080 autocoder as the two are
different assembly languages for different processors. The boot secto
On 1/16/23 18:46, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
> Chris,
>
> Apparently, ChatGPT 3 was trained on a large codebase, and in the reviews
> I've watched, as well as in my own experience, it is amazingly astute at
> generating (usually) working code in just about any language you can think
> of, inc
On Tue, 17 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote:
They write songs, create works of art. They can do a lot of stuff. The
question in my mind is can these AI appliances make guesses and are they
any good at it.
Anyway how hard would it be for an AI to rewrite a standard MS-DOS to
suit a particular
It was thus said that the Great Sellam Abraham via cctalk once stated:
> Chris,
>
> Apparently, ChatGPT 3 was trained on a large codebase, and in the reviews
> I've watched, as well as in my own experience, it is amazingly astute at
> generating (usually) working code in just about any language yo
Chris,
Apparently, ChatGPT 3 was trained on a large codebase, and in the reviews
I've watched, as well as in my own experience, it is amazingly astute at
generating (usually) working code in just about any language you can think
of, including assembly languages of various flavors.
Could it custom
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