Chuck, why not post the catalog snd we’ll all take a look?
Power of the internet!
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> On Jun 23, 2023, at 18:58, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> I've got a few backup sets (potentially incomplete) done on MicroRSX
> that were created with BRU on RX50 media. I've cranke
On 6/24/23 12:38, Wayne S wrote:
> Chuck, why not post the catalog snd we’ll all take a look?
> Power of the internet!
Okay, I guess that's okay. Here's the data from the MFD:
https://icedrive.net/s/Q56ZY2Sv4g62Gi9vZ9jzNQ2CD6Bu
Since this is customer data, I can't publish the contents of the
On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 1:39 AM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
wrote:
> Okay, I guess that's okay. Here's the data from the MFD:
>
> https://icedrive.net/s/Q56ZY2Sv4g62Gi9vZ9jzNQ2CD6Bu
>
> Since this is customer data, I can't publish the contents of the files
> themselves.
>
> Does anyone recognize this
On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 7:39 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> Okay, I guess that's okay. Here's the data from the MFD:
>
> https://icedrive.net/s/Q56ZY2Sv4g62Gi9vZ9jzNQ2CD6Bu
>
> Since this is customer data, I can't publish the contents of the files
> themselves.
>
> D
On 6/24/2023 7:39 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 6/24/23 12:38, Wayne S wrote:
Chuck, why not post the catalog snd we’ll all take a look?
Power of the internet!
Okay, I guess that's okay. Here's the data from the MFD:
https://icedrive.net/s/Q56ZY2Sv4g62Gi9vZ9jzNQ2CD6Bu
Since this is
On 6/25/23 06:39, Kenneth Gober wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 7:39 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> I don't recognize it, but the filenames give me a very database vibe. A
> database from back when each table was stored in a separate file.
> The RPT filenames hint to me that they are preformatted o
On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 04:39:01PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 6/24/23 12:38, Wayne S wrote:
> > Chuck, why not post the catalog snd we’ll all take a look?
> > Power of the internet!
>
> Okay, I guess that's okay. Here's the data from the MFD:
>
> https://icedrive.net/s/Q56ZY2Sv4
On 6/25/23 12:15, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 04:39:01PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>
> If you have those files accessible from some Unix-like OS, then you
> can:
I know what's in the files, that's easy. What I don't know is what
created/used them. Recove
Pretty hard to tell from just the file names what app created them and looking
for (for example) .msl files sends you down different paths, like visual studio
( probably not), ImageMagick Scripting Language File, MAINSAIL Source Code, and
ProWORX Nxt MSL are all apps that create .msl
Any more i
The file list says they were created in the 1986 time frame.
So what Dec systems were running around then that required rsx11 ?
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On Jun 25, 2023, at 12:39, Wayne S wrote:
Pretty hard to tell from just the file names what app created them and
looking for (for example) .msl
On Sun, Jun 25, 2023, 1:44 PM Wayne S via cctalk
wrote:
> The file list says they were created in the 1986 time frame.
> So what Dec systems were running around then that required rsx11 ?
>
Chances are good if it is 86, then there'd be a pro port... these were
reported extensively in the trade r
Might want to look at the login.cmd file and see if any logical
variables/commands are defined that might give clues.
Also, the .rpt files might have a header that gives some info about the program.
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On Jun 25, 2023, at 12:44, Wayne S wrote:
The file list says they were cr
.dtx files IIRC were created by Tex and Latex which fit in with rsx11 and DEC
software. So maybe that is it?
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On Jun 25, 2023, at 12:53, Wayne S wrote:
Might want to look at the login.cmd file and see if any logical
variables/commands are defined that might give clues.
A
On 6/25/23 12:39, Wayne S via cctalk wrote:
> Pretty hard to tell from just the file names what app created them and
> looking for (for example) .msl files sends you down different paths, like
> visual studio ( probably not), ImageMagick Scripting Language File, MAINSAIL
> Source Code, and ProWO
On 6/25/23 14:15, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote:
On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 04:39:01PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 6/24/23 12:38, Wayne S wrote:
Chuck, why not post the catalog snd we’ll all take a look?
Power of the internet!
Okay, I guess that's okay. Here's the data from the MFD:
On 6/25/23 15:02, Wayne S via cctalk wrote:
.dtx files IIRC were created by Tex and Latex which fit in with rsx11 and DEC
software. So maybe that is it?
I tried to compile TeX for RSX-11M on an 11/45, and it was
an utter failure. Maybe somebody hacked TeX down to fit on
an 11, but I never h
On 6/25/23 14:13, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote:
> od -x is hex output of 16-bit words, od -d does 16-bit words as decimal,
> and so on.
I have a small bash script that looks like this:
#! /bin/bash
for x in $*; do hexdump -C $x | less; done
--Chuck
On 6/25/2023 3:39 PM, Wayne S via cctalk wrote:
Pretty hard to tell from just the file names what app created them and looking
for (for example) .msl files sends you down different paths, like visual studio
( probably not), ImageMagick Scripting Language File, MAINSAIL Source Code, and
ProWO
On 6/25/2023 3:44 PM, Wayne S via cctalk wrote:
The file list says they were created in the 1986 time frame.
So what Dec systems were running around then that required rsx11 ?
See my previous response. :-)
bill
On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 12:34:04PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> On 6/25/23 12:15, Tomasz Rola via cctalk wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 04:39:01PM -0700, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>
> >
> > If you have those files accessible from some Unix-like OS, then you
> > can:
>
> I know
On 6/25/23 16:59, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> I have 3" and 1800 pages of possible PDP-11 applications. Trying to
> guess what
>
> application created those files is likely to be a study in frustration.
> Does the
>
> "customer" have no idea what programs they ran under RSX-11 that mig
I remember that th
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> On Jun 25, 2023, at 17:26, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 6/25/23 16:59, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>
>> I have 3" and 1800 pages of possible PDP-11 applications. Trying to
>> guess what
>>
>> application created those files is likely
Sorry disregard.
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> On Jun 25, 2023, at 19:00, Wayne S wrote:
>
> I remember that th
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>> On Jun 25, 2023, at 17:26, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 6/25/23 16:59, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>>>
>>> I have 3" and 1800 page
On 6/25/2023 8:26 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 6/25/23 16:59, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
I have 3" and 1800 pages of possible PDP-11 applications. Trying to
guess what
application created those files is likely to be a study in frustration.
Does the
"customer" have no idea wh
> On Jun 26, 2023, at 7:16 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
> wrote:
>
>
> On 6/25/2023 8:26 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>> On 6/25/23 16:59, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> I have 3" and 1800 pages of possible PDP-11 applications. Trying to
>>> guess what
>>>
>>> application
On 6/26/23 04:16, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
> Actually, there was. It was a DEC product and ran on MicroRSX. It
> consisted of a
>
> number of packages and was a complete business operations system.
That would fit perfectly, given the source of the disks, which were
probably created by
Some of the filenames (eg ATOZ013.MSL) suggest that the DEC product
A-TO-Z might be involved. This was an RSX based product for small offices.
--
Lee K. Gleason N5ZMR
Control-G Consultants
lee.glea...@comcast.ne
On 6/26/23 13:17, Lee Gleason via cctalk wrote:
> Some of the filenames (eg ATOZ013.MSL) suggest that the DEC product
> A-TO-Z might be involved. This was an RSX based product for small offices.
As I mentioned, it fits perfectly. In particular when I look at the
backup file, I run into this:
On 6/26/2023 10:07 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
On Jun 26, 2023, at 7:16 AM, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk
wrote:
On 6/25/2023 8:26 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
On 6/25/23 16:59, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
I have 3" and 1800 pages of possible PDP-11 applications. Trying to
guess wh
A-to-Z is listed in
https://doc.lagout.org/science/0_Computer%20Science/0_Computer%20History/old-hardware/dec/pdp11/catalogs/PDP_Systems_and_Options_Catalog_1988_Jul-Dec.pdf
at several pdf pages, e.g. 54 & 412.
It says:
A-to-Z Base System
The A-to-Z Base System is a user-installable, multiuser b
Sounds like P/OS for the Professional. I've heard of All-in-One, but
didn't realize they built something that was as bad an annoying as P/OS.
I wonder if it included Prose as a word processor.
Speaking of which, I wonder if those apps would run on a regular
pdp11/83 running RSX111M+. Maybe not
> On Jun 27, 2023, at 7:31 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> Sounds like P/OS for the Professional. I've heard of All-in-One, but didn't
> realize they built something that was as bad an annoying as P/OS. I wonder if
> it included Prose as a word processor.
Different thing, I believe.
> Different thing, I believe.
Gotcha. I'd find it funny and perfectly fitting if DEC had two
departments working on the same concept and coming up with completely
different, but equally oddball solutions.
There's A-to-Z, which aimed to be something similar but small enough to run on a PDP-11
On 27/06/2023 21:17, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
> Different thing, I believe.
Gotcha. I'd find it funny and perfectly fitting if DEC had two
departments working on the same concept and coming up with completely
different, but equally oddball solution
Like the VAX 6000 and the VAX 9000 :-)
On 6/27/2023 7:26 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote:
On 27/06/2023 21:17, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
> Different thing, I believe.
Gotcha. I'd find it funny and perfectly fitting if DEC had two
departments working on the same concept and coming up with completely
different, but equally
> On Jun 27, 2023, at 7:26 PM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk
> wrote:
>
> On 27/06/2023 21:17, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
>> > Different thing, I believe.
>>
>> Gotcha. I'd find it funny and perfectly fitting if DEC had two departments
>> working on the same concept and coming up with comple
On 6/27/23 19:11, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk wrote:
More interesting is that All-In-One for the VAX comes on
RX02 and RL02 disks.
I wasn't aware that the VAX or VMS even supported RX or RL
disks.
Yes, the console floppy on an 11/780 was an RX02, and VMS
supported "virtualizing" it throu
asOn Tue, 27 Jun 2023 at 20:11, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> I wasn't aware that the VAX or VMS even supported RX or RL disks.
>
>
One of my father's fondest memories as a sysadmin for the radio astronomy
folks at Bell Labs was replacing the VAX, I believe an 11/7
Yes, the console floppy on an 11/780 was an RX02, and VMS supported
"virtualizing" it through the LSI-11 console computer so you could
mount it just like any other device.
I thought it was an RX01 on an 11/03? It's an RX02?
CZ
Jon
More interesting is that All-In-One for the VAX comes on RX02 and RL02
disks.
I wasn't aware that the VAX or VMS even supported RX or RL disks.
Sure. The 8600 and 11/730 used an RL02 as the boot/startup media. RX02
is a bit odd, but I could see that being supported on a Unibus adapter
whic
On 6/27/23 20:58, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
Yes, the console floppy on an 11/780 was an RX02, and VMS
supported "virtualizing" it through the LSI-11 console
computer so you could mount it just like any other device.
I thought it was an RX01 on an 11/03? It's an RX02?
Yup, I think you a
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 10:28 AM Jon Elson via cctalk
wrote:
> On 6/27/23 20:58, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, the console floppy on an 11/780 was an RX02, and VMS
> >> supported "virtualizing" it through the LSI-11 console
> >> computer so you could mount it just like any other devi
On 6/27/2023 8:44 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:
More interesting is that All-In-One for the VAX comes on RX02 and
RL02 disks.
I wasn't aware that the VAX or VMS even supported RX or RL disks.
Sure. The 8600 and 11/730 used an RL02 as the boot/startup media.
Don't know the 8600. Wasn
Don't know the 8600. Wasn't the RL02 on the 11/730 actually connected
to a PDP-11
that functioned as a console? Surely no version of VMS ever fit on a
10M disk, did it?
Nope, there was a big "multifunction" card that ran the RM80 and RL02
drive. I think it bypassed the Unibus for data w
On Wed, 28 Jun 2023, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
Don't know the 8600. Wasn't the RL02 on the 11/730 actually connected
to a PDP-11 that functioned as a console? Surely no version of VMS ever
fit on a 10M disk, did it?
The 730 does not have a PDP-11 as frontend. It uses the RB730 integrated
disk
List,
I finally got around to cutting some Linux code to handle the RX50 BRU
sets. Since the disks date from 1986, I prefer to work with images.
Basically, you extract BACKUP.SYS files from the each of the set of
disks. For sake of simplicity, rename the BACKUP.SYS files 1 2 3 4...
The run
brud
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