Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Richard Loken
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Eric Smith wrote: > That's one heck of a compression ratio, given that the native > (uncompressed) capacity of an LTO-5 cartridge is 1.5 TB. Usually the > vendors claim 2.5:1 compression, but obviously the actual compression Of course it is 1.5Tbyte native and 3.0Tbyte compr

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 09/15/2015 10:49 AM, Mouse wrote: If the police needed to even _consider_ doing that, they need to fire whoever decided they didn't need proper backups. (And whoever was responsible for the mistake that got it running there to begin with, either whoever decided to let it run or whoever decid

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Richard Loken wrote: > These are LTO-5 > cartridges that can hold up to 30 Tbyte of compressed data and it can be > written on the tape with astonishing speed. That's one heck of a compression ratio, given that the native (uncompressed) capacity of an LTO-5 cartri

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Eric Smith
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:38 PM, drlegendre . wrote: > To the cloud, to the CLOUD!! There is no cloud, just other people's computers.

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Mouse
>> (3) "Oh no." This includes things like disk drives dying. > (3a) “ does that smell like smoke to you?” - > offsite > backups... Yes. Offsite backups are an important piece for many threat models. But that's mostly orthogonal to whether they're designed to defend against my (1), (2), or (3); a

RE: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Dave G4UGM
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of TeoZ > Sent: 15 September 2015 18:24 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Is tape dead? > > Sometimes I think management just wants to offlo

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Liam Proven
On 15 September 2015 at 19:40, Fred Cisin wrote: > AVG and McAfee. not necessarily the best stuff. > Scan, while the malware was screwing stuff up in the background, did not > find anything to complain about! Until a few weeks ago I worked for AVG. *Don't* run 2 resident shield apps at once.

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Paul Koning
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Mouse wrote: > ... > If the police needed to even _consider_ doing that, they need to fire > whoever decided they didn't need proper backups. But the nice thing about not having proper backups is that you can pretend "the drive failed" if someone requires you to

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Fred Cisin
Ever heard of CRYPTOWALL ? I think that I got it from looking at PDFs on the web while doing some research. [...] On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Mouse wrote: I trust you've now switched PDF viewers to one that doesn't gratuitously execute (attempts at) live content? Google Chrome and Internet Explore

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Tapley, Mark
On Sep 15, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Mouse wrote: > (3) "Oh no." This includes things like disk drives dying. (3a) “ does that smell like smoke to you?” - > offsite backups...

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Fred Cisin
Ever heard of CRYPTOWALL ? I think that I got it from looking at PDFs on the web while doing some research. It's a trojan, not a virus. It runs in the background encrypting files. Then it pops up a message demanding 500 euros for the key! On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, et...@757.org wrote: Sounds li

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Mouse
>> Ever heard of CRYPTOWALL ? I think that I got it from looking at >> PDFs on the web while doing some research. [...] I trust you've now switched PDF viewers to one that doesn't gratuitously execute (attempts at) live content? > Sounds like Cryptolocker. Even the police paid the ransom to ge

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Mouse
>> Delete it on the master and have it faithfully deleted on the replica. > Backup should NOT be connected to the computer that it is backing up, > and should be a drive, NOT a connected computer. Depends on why you have backups - that is, what kind of trouble the backups are intended to defend ag

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Fred Cisin
Ever heard of CRYPTOWALL ? I think that I got it from looking at PDFs on the web while doing some research. It's a trojan, not a virus. It runs in the background encrypting files. Then it pops up a message demanding 500 euros for the key! On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Steven Hirsch wrote: Out of cu

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread ethan
Ever heard of CRYPTOWALL ? I think that I got it from looking at PDFs on the web while doing some research. It's a trojan, not a virus. It runs in the background encrypting files. Then it pops up a message demanding 500 euros for the key! Sounds like Cryptolocker. Even the police paid the

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread ethan
Well in this case they claim 15Tbyte uncompressed but 100Gbyte uncompressed is still a lot more than a DLT-IV will hold. 15GByte uncompressed and 100Gbyte compressed? Tape companies always misrepresent their products. Compressed doesn't count.

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread TeoZ
eadable if needed. -Original Message- From: Dave G4UGM Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 7:13 PM To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: RE: Is tape dead? I spoke to my former employer and they are ditching tape. They want off-site replication and if t

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Steven Hirsch
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Fred Cisin wrote: Ever heard of CRYPTOWALL ? I think that I got it from looking at PDFs on the web while doing some research. It's a trojan, not a virus. It runs in the background encrypting files. Then it pops up a message demanding 500 euros for the key! Out of cur

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Paul Koning
> On Sep 15, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Guy Dawson wrote: >> Delete it on the master and have it faithfully deleted on the replica. > > Yeah. > > Backup should NOT be connected to the computer that it is backing up, and > should be a drive, NOT a connected co

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Fred Cisin
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015, Guy Dawson wrote: Delete it on the master and have it faithfully deleted on the replica. Yeah. Backup should NOT be connected to the computer that it is backing up, and should be a drive, NOT a connected computer. Ever heard of CRYPTOWALL ? I think that I got it from l

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Richard Loken
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015 et...@757.org wrote: > 30Tbyte compressed* > (100Gbyte uncompressed) Well in this case they claim 15Tbyte uncompressed but 100Gbyte uncompressed is still a lot more than a DLT-IV will hold. -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Unix System Administrator : "Anybody can be a father A

RE: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Dave G4UGM
ber, 2015 2:57 PM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Is tape dead? > > Delete it on the master and have it faithfully deleted on the replica. > > On 15 September 2015 at 00:13, Dave G4UGM > wrote: > > > I spoke to my former empl

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread geneb
On Mon, 14 Sep 2015, drlegendre . wrote: To the clown, to the CLOWN!! =P Fixed that for ya. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collec

RE: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Jay West
Along the lines of this thread... back a few years ago when it was mentioned on the list that the last company making 1/2 mag tape was ceasing production, I bought a couple cases (I think 24 tapes total). I'm about 3/4ths of the way through them. Anyone know if new manufactured 1/2 mag tape can

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-15 Thread Guy Dawson
... > > Dave > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Richard > > Loken > > Sent: 14 September 2015 23:56 > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > > Subject: Re

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-14 Thread Sean Caron
We just procured a new Overland LTO-6 library this year at work so I can tell you from direct experience that tape is not dead! Although direct-to-disk and to-tape backup cost has more or less converged from a price standpoint, there are still some nice aspects of tape ... you get practically infin

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-14 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Mon, Sep 14, 2015, Evan Koblentz wrote: > > >I came across a fascinating article by Evan Koblentz in TechRepublic Daily > >Digest today entitled: “Tape isn't dying -- it's getting healthier and > >smarter”. Does this mean my ADAM tape drive system has a future after all? > >Naw! But one can

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-14 Thread Evan Koblentz
Oops, just realized nobody posted the link: http://www.techrepublic.com/article/tape-isnt-dying-its-getting-healthier-and-smarter/

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-14 Thread Evan Koblentz
For those who can't be bothered to read the article :) it basically talks about a perspective that the rise in flash arrays will kill disk arrays while tape continues to chug along as cheap reliable backup.

RE: Is tape dead?

2015-09-14 Thread Benjamin Huntsman
f Of Richard > Loken > Sent: 14 September 2015 23:56 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Is tape dead? > > The death of tape is greatly exagerated. > > My duties today included removing 50 tapes from our Storagetek 500 tape > librar

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-14 Thread Evan Koblentz
I came across a fascinating article by Evan Koblentz in TechRepublic Daily Digest today entitled: “Tape isn't dying -- it's getting healthier and smarter”. Does this mean my ADAM tape drive system has a future after all? Naw! But one can wish. Are there tape systems in the PDP family, et. al.

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-14 Thread ethan
cartridges that can hold up to 30 Tbyte of compressed data and it can be written on the tape with astonishing speed. 30Tbyte compressed* (100Gbyte uncompressed) -- Ethan O'Toole

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-14 Thread drlegendre .
> -Original Message- > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Richard > > Loken > > Sent: 14 September 2015 23:56 > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > > Subject: Re: Is tape dead? > > > > The dea

RE: Is tape dead?

2015-09-14 Thread Dave G4UGM
14 September 2015 23:56 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: Is tape dead? > > The death of tape is greatly exagerated. > > My duties today included removing 50 tapes from our Storagetek 500 tape > library and sending them offsite for safe

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-14 Thread Richard Loken
The death of tape is greatly exagerated. My duties today included removing 50 tapes from our Storagetek 500 tape library and sending them offsite for safe storage. These are LTO-5 cartridges that can hold up to 30 Tbyte of compressed data and it can be written on the tape with astonishing speed.

Re: Is tape dead?

2015-09-14 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-09-14 20:43, Murray McCullough wrote: I came across a fascinating article by Evan Koblentz in TechRepublic Daily Digest today entitled: “Tape isn't dying -- it's getting healthier and smarter”. Does this mean my ADAM tape drive system has a future after all? Naw! But one can wish. Are the

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