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Not commonly. ok bear. -- Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 3, 2017, at 22:05, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > Did the Apollo ever have a 1/2" tape unit on it? > > --Chuck >

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On 04/03/2017 08:31 PM, Chris Elmquist wrote: > The OS for the ETA -10 was installed from QIC tape because you put it > in through an Apollo DN3000 or similar service unit... pretty sure > that was THE way to get 'er done on that machine. Hmmm, on the STAR (CYBER 200), it was loaded from the

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On April 3, 2017 1:18:31 PM CDT, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: >On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:37 AM, AJ Palmgren via cctech < >cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> Hi, Plamen & Al, >> >> I'm just catching up on some of these past threads involving QIC >> cartridges. What ever

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On 04/03/2017 01:29 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > I'm almost afraid to see if the one Jim Battle sent me a long time > ago still works. This points up to a common misunderstanding among vendors, I think. I question the use of QIC for *archival* storage; it certainly was less expensive

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> > I'm probably showing my age (again), but "QIC" and "Supercomputers" just > > seems to be about as related as "Chateau Margaux" and "Cheez Whiz". > > > > If one is spending millions on a supercomputer, why would anyone want to > > put software for it on a QIC cart? > > Because it holds more

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From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Fred Cisin via cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org] Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 2:23 PM To: Chuck Guzis; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Supercomputers, fishing

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On Mon, 3 Apr 2017, Chuck Guzis wrote: I'm probably showing my age (again), but "QIC" and "Supercomputers" just seems to be about as related as "Chateau Margaux" and "Cheez Whiz". If one is spending millions on a supercomputer, why would anyone want to put software for it on a QIC cart? Well,

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On Mon, 3 Apr 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:37 AM, AJ Palmgren via cctech < cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: Hi, Plamen & Al, I'm just catching up on some of these past threads involving QIC cartridges. What ever became of these Paragon tapes? Were you able to

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On Mon, 3 Apr 2017, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: I'm probably showing my age (again), but "QIC" and "Supercomputers" just seems to be about as related as "Chateau Margaux" and "Cheez Whiz". If one is spending millions on a supercomputer, why would anyone want to put software for it on a QIC

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On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 9:37 AM, AJ Palmgren via cctech < cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Hi, Plamen & Al, > > I'm just catching up on some of these past threads involving QIC > cartridges. What ever became of these Paragon tapes? Were you able > to read them and archive the contents? I'm

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Hello AJ, Al, It took me a while, but I finally shipped the tapes to Raymond Stricklin. I also have SunOS 2.0 tapes: http://afterpeople.com/images/Image%20(30).tif http://afterpeople.com/images/Image%20(31).tif Al, check if these have been already images, if not I'll mail them to AJ. BR, Plamen

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Hi, Plamen & Al, I'm just catching up on some of these past threads involving QIC cartridges. What ever became of these Paragon tapes? Were you able to read them and archive the contents? Thanks all, -AJ http://QICreader.com On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Plamen Mihaylov

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On 11/08/2016 11:55 AM, Paul Koning wrote: The classic formula is 1 hp = 750 W. But there's more to the picture. Motors draw a steady state current based on the power demanded from them, and the hp rating shows the max that they are designed for. But when starting they draw much more

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On 11/08/2016 11:33 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: Yea, that’s what I’m struggling with. The issue is that the control units power the devices that are connected to them (from what I can tell), so I have to power the entire string as one unit. The same goes for the 3340’s - the entire string is

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On 11/08/2016 11:08 AM, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: I’m looking to have to do something to get 3-phase for the IBM 4331 gear. I haven’t quite added up the power requirements yet but I’m guessing its going to be in the 10-15kVA range. Since the power to all of the gear is really split between 3

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> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Guy > Sotomayor Jr > Sent: 08 November 2016 20:10 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Supercomputers, fishing for i

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I’m looking to have to do something to get 3-phase for the IBM 4331 gear. I haven’t quite added up the power requirements yet but I’m guessing its going to be in the 10-15kVA range. Since the power to all of the gear is really split between 3 loads (string of 4 3340 drives, 3803 control unit

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cussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >> <cctalk@classiccmp.org> >> Subject: Re: Supercomputers, fishing for information >> >> >>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr <g...@shiresoft.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>

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> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Paul > Koning > Sent: 08 November 2016 17:22 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > <cctalk@classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Supercomputers, fishing for inf

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> On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:33 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > > ... >> >> A VFD is a good option and may be quite economical if you get one of the low >> cost simple ones. I have one (3 hp model for my lathe) that cost only a bit >> over $100, though the price has gone up

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On Tue, 8 Nov 2016 09:33:37 -0800 Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > > On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Paul Koning > > wrote: > > > > > >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >>> On Nov 8, 2016, at

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> On Nov 8, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > > >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: >> >> >>> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Jon Elson wrote: >>> >>> On 11/07/2016 10:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On

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> On Nov 8, 2016, at 12:08 PM, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > > >> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Jon Elson wrote: >> >> On 11/07/2016 10:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote: >>> On 11/07/2016 07:59 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 11:23:58AM -0800,

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> On Nov 8, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > > On 11/07/2016 10:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote: >> On 11/07/2016 07:59 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: >>> On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 11:23:58AM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote: But if you're a suburban resident living on Mulberry Street,

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On 11/07/2016 10:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 11/07/2016 07:59 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 11:23:58AM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote: But if you're a suburban resident living on Mulberry Street, anything but single-phase is pretty much out of the question. Oh, you can get it --

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On 11/07/2016 07:59 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 11:23:58AM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote: But if you're a suburban resident living on Mulberry Street, anything but single-phase is pretty much out of the question. Oh, you can get it -- but be prepared for a large hassle. A

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On Mon, Nov 07, 2016 at 11:23:58AM -0800, Chuck Guzis wrote: > But if you're a suburban resident living on Mulberry Street, anything > but single-phase is pretty much out of the question. Oh, you can get it -- but be prepared for a large hassle. A former neighbor had a 440V 3-phase Italian lathe

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On 11/07/2016 01:04 PM, et...@757.org wrote: Hmmm it shouldn't be that hard in this day and age to come up with that kind of current assuming switchers would be clean enough. I have a home use LED video screen I assembled/am finishing from Chinese modules that runs on 480 amps @ 5vdc,

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On 11/07/2016 11:04 AM, et...@757.org wrote: > Hmmm it shouldn't be that hard in this day and age to come up with > that kind of current assuming switchers would be clean enough. I have > a home use LED video screen I assembled/am finishing from Chinese > modules that runs on 480 amps @ 5vdc,

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I wonder if LCM has ever measured the power draw of each of their big machines? Do they run them on any sort of commercial PDU system? I'd hope so, not too expensive and they should be able to see real time at least the current draw. -- Ethan O'Toole

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Yes, that's how the 360's (at least mid-range) were set up. You could tell, the converter-inverter was INSANELY loud, at a massively piercing audio frequency. The key was that this one unit gave regulated AC power to all Wild! We tried to get a 370/145 running at a guy's house. That had

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I wonder if LCM has ever measured the power draw of each of their big machines? On 11/7/16 10:25 AM, Jon Elson wrote: > We tried to get a 370/145 running at a guy's house. That had the 17 KVA > motor generator set in the back (WAY more than > a 145 needed, but they apparently used one MG set

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On 11/07/2016 10:59 AM, et...@757.org wrote: All 370's ran off 415 Hz 3-phase power. The mid-sized ones had the motor-generator set built into the back of the machine. The 415 Hz (regulated) power was transformed to low voltage and run through an inductor-input filter and then series pass

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Yup, all dumpstered by the company formerly known as Rackable What survives is in the hands of collectors. They worked hard to save what was still left at the end. SGI was just as brutal to Cray. Scorched earth to their archives a decade before. Ugh. To be fair, I even know CEOs today of

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All 370's ran off 415 Hz 3-phase power. The mid-sized ones had the motor-generator set built into the back of the machine. The 415 Hz (regulated) power was transformed to low voltage and run through an inductor-input filter and then series pass regulated. They had a circuit they called an

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On 11/7/16 8:46 AM, et...@757.org wrote: > I think one of the guys might of > mentioned you! But he talked as if much of that documentation was gone. > Yup, all dumpstered by the company formerly known as Rackable What survives is in the hands of collectors. They worked hard to save what was

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Supercomputer collectors are like the mainframe collectors, they like to keep a low profile other than the Cray-Cyber folks in Munich. Those guys are cool, and I appreciate them putting notes online. My Crays had their hard disks removed and destroyed (came from high side / govt contractor /

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The Convex C38xx as well the Fujitsu VPP used isolation transformers. Luckily I was able to save the Transformer for my C3880. > Am 06.11.2016 um 19:57 schrieb Jon Elson : > >> On 11/06/2016 12:46 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> On 11/06/2016 09:18 AM, et...@757.org wrote:

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The tapes are already spoken few weeks ago and they will travel to US. I will share whatever is able to be recovered. On Saturday, November 5, 2016, Al Kossow wrote: > check out http://mightyframe.blogspot.com/2015/08/qic-24-tape-data- > block-format-decoding.html > > he

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On 11/06/2016 09:18 AM, et...@757.org wrote: >> But smaller than the Crays of the era. If it doesn't run on 400Hz, >> it's a 'mini' supercomputer. > > Hmmm I knew the earlier Crays often had motor generator setups and > such but I thoght that was just for power filtering and maybe > flywheels for

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On 11/6/16 9:18 AM, et...@757.org wrote: > In my travels there is a guy named James who > has/had a very nice Cray collection. Haven't talked to him in a few years > though hope he is doing well. He had some > of the 6000 pounders IIRC. > Supercomputer collectors are like the mainframe

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But smaller than the Crays of the era. If it doesn't run on 400Hz, it's a 'mini' supercomputer. Hmmm I knew the earlier Crays often had motor generator setups and such but I thoght that was just for power filtering and maybe flywheels for ups setups. Didn't know they were 400hz! Odd! CHM

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On 11/6/16 8:44 AM, et...@757.org wrote: > The thing is, I don't remember it being a "mini" supercomputer at all. It had > the same gold decor that your images show, > but it was large! Big cabinets! > But smaller than the Crays of the era. If it doesn't run on 400Hz, it's a 'mini'

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I'm making arrangements to have four (mini-)supercomputers from the 1980's shipped to me. In the mean time, I'm trying to find out what I can about these systems, so this is a fishing expedition. The systems are: * Convex C1-XP * Convex C1-XL * Intel iPSC/860 * Ardent Titan Pictures of these can

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On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 3:37 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > let me see if I can get this scanned this morning > http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102719961 > > you also REALLY want to get any docs and tapes/disks out of there > finding software is going to be extremely

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iel Vanderhoeven <iamcam...@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2016 7:02 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only Subject: Supercomputers, fishing for information I'm making arrangements to have four (mini-)supercomputers from the 1980's shipped to me. In the mean time, I'm trying

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Around 1985, Tony Anderson of Intel gave me a tour of the Intel Scientific Computers operations at their Oregon facility. At the time they were building the 80286-based iPSC/1. Seemed like pretty neat stuff. That was where I learned that one shouldn't stick one's hands into a computer while

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All other tapes are far beyond repair, they are physically damaged I double checked what I have been able to dump successfully: iPSC/860 Extensions Software R3.3 iPSC/860 Extensions Software R3.3.1 iPSC/860 Optional Software R3.3.1 There were two more tapes - fortran compilers and forge software

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check out http://mightyframe.blogspot.com/2015/08/qic-24-tape-data-block-format-decoding.html he may be willing to try recovering what still exists on the tape like I say, what is there is pretty important to recover. On 11/5/16 1:57 PM, Plamen Mihaylov wrote: > All other tapes are far beyond

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The tape belts can be replaced. As long as the tape was not physically damaged it is worth spending time on recovering these, especially the SysV tape and the tools I just checked in the CHM catalog, and we have almost nothing for the Intel hypercubes though we have almost every model of

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AFAIR only 2 or 3 survived due to bad tape cartridge belt On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 7:06 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > apparently, these are links only Chrome understands > they are pictures of intel cartridges > > are the tapes physically still in tact? > > > On 11/5/16 8:46 AM,

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> - Can anyone identify the tape drives shown in the pictures? I > believe the one in the Intel iPSC/860 is an Exabyte 8mm one, but the > ones used on the Convex and the Ardent are a mystery to me. All three look to me like QIC drives using DC600 cartridges. For the Convexen this also makes

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apparently, these are links only Chrome understands they are pictures of intel cartridges are the tapes physically still in tact? On 11/5/16 8:46 AM, Plamen Mihaylov wrote: > I have some Paragon tapes, which I didn't manage to recover fully: >

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Thanks, that is really helpful; chances are that the box will look similar. On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > found a picture of a later generation machine > http://dooki.com/supercomputers/intel/intel.ipsc860.4_i860_40mhz.gif > > On 11/5/16 8:34 AM, Al

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Hi Al, I think you're mixing up the SRM (one per system) with the unit service module. According to this document http://www.par.univie.ac.at/publications/download/ipsc860.pdf, it's an Intel SYP301. That appears to be an Intel 386 motherboard. Camiel On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 4:29 PM, Al Kossow

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found a picture of a later generation machine http://dooki.com/supercomputers/intel/intel.ipsc860.4_i860_40mhz.gif On 11/5/16 8:34 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > never mind, that was just for diagnostics > > the srm is described further down. it's a 386 running Sys V > > it is likely to be either

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never mind, that was just for diagnostics the srm is described further down. it's a 386 running Sys V it is likely to be either one of their 310 series multibus boxes with a Wyse terminal, like the iPCS-2, which had a 286 or their 386 clone AT box On 11/5/16 8:29 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > there

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I have some Paragon tapes, which I didn't manage to recover fully: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/k-ccRPWd1TCIGU5wMKTSff-lZns2BIBIYz2IhZwofwTrteTiFCPsppZLBX7zxxEuH81P4zM7XQ=w1920-h1200-rw-no

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let me see if I can get this scanned this morning http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102719961 you also REALLY want to get any docs and tapes/disks out of there finding software is going to be extremely difficult On 11/5/16 7:02 AM, Camiel Vanderhoeven wrote: > - Does anyone

Supercomputers, fishing for information

I'm making arrangements to have four (mini-)supercomputers from the 1980's shipped to me. In the mean time, I'm trying to find out what I can about these systems, so this is a fishing expedition. The systems are: * Convex C1-XP * Convex C1-XL * Intel iPSC/860 * Ardent Titan Pictures of these can

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On Sat, Nov 5, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > let me see if I can get this scanned this morning > http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102719961 That would be awesome! > you also REALLY want to get any docs and tapes/disks out of there > finding software