Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-15 Thread qsm
maybe this is not a correct place, but you can try with opensolaris+zfs. with zfs, you can create iscsi, nfs and smb shares from cli. it's really easy to do. -- -- Original Message --- From: Rudi Ahlers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CentOS mailing list Sent: Sun, 29 Ju

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread Jun Salen
Rudi Ahlers wrote: > > >Using CentOS is preferred since I know it the best. I haven't used >FreeBSD since v4.7 ( I think I had a look @ 4.9 & 5.4 as well), and I >don't know Solaris. >I think my action plan now will be to figure out how to install CentOS >on a USB memory stick and make it bo

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread Victor Padro
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Joseph L. Casale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Also, conder trimming your posts please > > > >What does that mean, I'm not a native speaker so I didn't follow that, > sorry. > >Didn't want to ofend or even make mistakes, my only point its that freenas > could do th

RE: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread Joseph L. Casale
>>Also, conder trimming your posts please > >What does that mean, I'm not a native speaker so I didn't follow that, sorry. >Didn't want to ofend or even make mistakes, my only point its that freenas >could do the job under a SMB enviroment. >And I don't even compare CentOS between FreeNAS in anyth

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread Victor Padro
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Karanbir Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Victor Padro wrote: > > isnt freenas also unionfs ? > > > > Yes it is. > > I would therefore pass on freenas, purely on that one point. > > My HDs are not using UFS they're on Ext2 > Also, conder trimming your posts

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread Karanbir Singh
Victor Padro wrote: > isnt freenas also unionfs ? > > Yes it is. I would therefore pass on freenas, purely on that one point. Also, conder trimming your posts please -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread Victor Padro
"It is human nature to think wisely and act in an absurd fashion." "Todo el desorden del mundo proviene de las profesiones mal o mediocremente servidas" On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Karanbir Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Victor Padro wrote: > >> I've been reading this thread since it sta

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread Karanbir Singh
Victor Padro wrote: I've been reading this thread since it started, and what I could really say is you should go for freenas, isnt freenas also unionfs ? -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ CentOS mailing list CentOS@ce

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread Victor Padro
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Rudi Ahlers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > nate wrote: > >> Rudi Ahlers wrote: >> >> >> >>> I think my action plan now will be to figure out how to install CentOS >>> on a USB memory stick and make it boot on any machine (making it easy to >>> replace if need be), and

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread Rudi Ahlers
nate wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: I think my action plan now will be to figure out how to install CentOS on a USB memory stick and make it boot on any machine (making it easy to replace if need be), and then to play around with the RAID a bit and see how well it works. Another option you

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread nate
Rudi Ahlers wrote: > I think my action plan now will be to figure out how to install CentOS > on a USB memory stick and make it boot on any machine (making it easy to > replace if need be), and then to play around with the RAID a bit and see > how well it works. Another option you may want to con

RE: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread nate
Sorin Srbu wrote: > The guy who initially asked, IIRC, wanted some 3-4TB storage. This can be > accomplished easily with a regular mid/maxi-size tower and a handful of > 1TB-SATA drives. Even the midsize oldish Compucase-case I have at home can > fit > four 3,5"-drives in the hd-cage and another f

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread Les Mikesell
Rudi Ahlers wrote: > You're quite right with what you say. I have a 2U chassis already, with a Gigabyte motherboard + 2GB RAM + Core 2 Duo E7650. I also have a few 160GB SATA HDD's laying around, but they're too small. So, I'll be option to put 6 (if I can get the HDD cages fitted into the cha

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread Karanbir Singh
Rudi Ahlers wrote: You're quite right with what you say. I have a 2U chassis already, with a Gigabyte motherboard + 2GB RAM + Core 2 Duo E7650. I also have a few 160GB SATA HDD's laying around, but they're too small. So, I'll be option to put 6 (if I can get the HDD cages fitted into the chassi

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Sorin Srbu wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Les Mikesell Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:32 AM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible? Sorin Srbu wrote

RE: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Les Mikesell >Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2008 3:32 AM >To: CentOS mailing list >Subject: Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible? > >Sorin Srbu wrote: >

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-02 Thread wonderer
Les Mikesell schrieb: Sorin Srbu wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: Grow data online, convert between RAID levels online, migrate data between spindle types(FC<->SATA) online etc. Create a volume, and you never have to worry about answering the question 'is it really optimal?' because you can change

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-01 Thread Les Mikesell
Sorin Srbu wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: Grow data online, convert between RAID levels online, migrate data between spindle types(FC<->SATA) online etc. Create a volume, and you never have to worry about answering the question 'is it really optimal?' because you can change it at any time without

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-01 Thread Les Mikesell
John R Pierce wrote: ok, so in your setup the OS is totally separate from the data itself? indeed, almost all my servers are setup this way, too. A pair of smaller disks, 36GB or 80GB are mirrored for the OS and software, then populate the rest with large disks in raid10 or raid5 for wha

RE: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-07-01 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >nate >Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 7:12 AM >To: centos@centos.org >Subject: Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible? > >Rudi Ahlers wrote: > >Gro

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread John R Pierce
Rudi Ahlers wrote: ok, so in your setup the OS is totally separate from the data itself? indeed, almost all my servers are setup this way, too. A pair of smaller disks, 36GB or 80GB are mirrored for the OS and software, then populate the rest with large disks in raid10 or raid5 for whateve

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Les Mikesell wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: David Mackintosh wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 02:08:33PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: Have you updated to Centos 5.2 yet? And if so, did it improve NFS performance? Sorry, these computers are in production now so I can't fiddle with them. Bes

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread Les Mikesell
Rudi Ahlers wrote: David Mackintosh wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 02:08:33PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: Have you updated to Centos 5.2 yet? And if so, did it improve NFS performance? Sorry, these computers are in production now so I can't fiddle with them. Besides, this would be a "

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
nate wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: nate wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: This raises an interesting question. What do you do in this kind of scenario? How do you upgrade a NAS / SAN with say 5 / 10 TB worth of data? Nate, what EXACTLY does that have todo with the topic? We

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread nate
Rudi Ahlers wrote: > nate wrote: >> Rudi Ahlers wrote: >> >> >>> This raises an interesting question. What do you do in this kind of >>> scenario? How do you upgrade a NAS / SAN with say 5 / 10 TB worth of >>> data? > Nate, what EXACTLY does that have todo with the topic? We're talking > about a s

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
nate wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: This raises an interesting question. What do you do in this kind of scenario? How do you upgrade a NAS / SAN with say 5 / 10 TB worth of data? Lots of the more modern enterprise arrays support online upgrades. Some of them even support re-distributing da

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread nate
Rudi Ahlers wrote: > This raises an interesting question. What do you do in this kind of > scenario? How do you upgrade a NAS / SAN with say 5 / 10 TB worth of data? Lots of the more modern enterprise arrays support online upgrades. Some of them even support re-distributing data across the new sp

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread Rudi Ahlers
David Mackintosh wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 02:08:33PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: Have you updated to Centos 5.2 yet? And if so, did it improve NFS performance? Sorry, these computers are in production now so I can't fiddle with them. Besides, this would be a "long" upgrade -- th

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread David Mackintosh
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 02:08:33PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: > Have you updated to Centos 5.2 yet? And if so, did it improve NFS > performance? Sorry, these computers are in production now so I can't fiddle with them. Besides, this would be a "long" upgrade -- they are both CentOS 4.x systems.

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread Les Mikesell
David Mackintosh wrote: Despite a lot of fidding, configuring, testing and tuning, neither result is very good when it comes to NFS performance. We've gone so far as to run everything as noatime (ie local mount, nfs export, and nfs client mount) hoping for better performance. Have you updated

RE: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread Ross S. W. Walker
David Mackintosh wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 09:08:15AM +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using > > normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU (probably > > a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) & some SATA

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread David Mackintosh
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 09:08:15AM +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote: > Hi all > > I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using > normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU (probably > a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) & some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x 320GB - 750GB). > My

RE: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Rainer Duffner >Sent: Monday, June 30, 2008 12:27 AM >To: CentOS mailing list >Subject: Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible? > >>>> Actually,

RE: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-30 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >>> A cheap server: there are many different values of cheap; it all depends >>> on what you need it for. >>> >> >> Yupp, break down the requirements into the following three options: >> >> * Good >> * Fast >> * Cheap >> >> Pick any *two*. You can never ever have all thr

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Guy Boisvert
Les Mikesell wrote: Are you pricing the low end NAS boxes (like Buffalo Linkstation/Terastation, etc.)? It might be hard to beat that if all you want is a file server. Most run Linux of some sort on ARM or PPC processors and may need to be hacked to add NFS or support >2gig files. I h

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Rainer Duffner
Am 29.06.2008 um 21:07 schrieb Sorin Srbu: -Original Message- Actually, the calculation is that it needs a GB of RAM for every TB of managed data. How do you reckon this? Ie, what's the basic assumption(s) for the statement? Parity calculations for stripes or what? I don't follow

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Les Mikesell wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: I mainly want to use it as a backup server for hosting servers, so I'll focus on FTP / SSH / SFTP / iSCSI (if possible), and maybe NFS - I don't want SMB (for security reasons). I'll probably also add Webmin to allow users to browse their backups via

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Rudi Ahlers wrote: I mainly want to use it as a backup server for hosting servers, so I'll focus on FTP / SSH / SFTP / iSCSI (if possible), and maybe NFS - I don't want SMB (for security reasons). I'll probably also add Webmin to allow users to browse their backups via HTTPS, manage folder

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread John R Pierce
John R Pierce wrote: probably a /little/ expensive but not excessively so, you might check out the Intel 2U 'kit' servers, like http://developer.intel.com/design/servers/platforms/SR1500-2500/index.htm specifically, the SR2500LX configuration, oops, I meant SR2500ALLX :-/ _

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Les Mikesell wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: I mainly want to use it as a backup server for hosting servers, so I'll focus on FTP / SSH / SFTP / iSCSI (if possible), and maybe NFS - I don't want SMB (for security reasons). I'll probably also add Webmin to allow users to browse their backups via HT

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Rudi Ahlers wrote: I mainly want to use it as a backup server for hosting servers, so I'll focus on FTP / SSH / SFTP / iSCSI (if possible), and maybe NFS - I don't want SMB (for security reasons). I'll probably also add Webmin to allow users to browse their backups via HTTPS, manage folders,

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread John R Pierce
Rudi Ahlers wrote: Hi all I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU (probably a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) & some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x 320GB - 750GB). My budget is limited, so I can't afford a pre-built NA

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Les Mikesell wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU (probably a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) & some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x 320GB - 750GB). My budget is limited, so I can't afford

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Steve Tindall wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 19:16 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote: Unfortunately, the only ECC capable motherboards I can get my hands on will be XEON, which is much more expensive than a normal desktop type motherboard. And the CPU's will cost more. Consider using an Asus s

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Sorin Srbu wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Thompson Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:39 PM To: CentOS mailing list Subject: Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible? A cheap server: there are

RE: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of >Steve Thompson >Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:39 PM >To: CentOS mailing list >Subject: Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible? > > >A cheap serve

RE: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Sorin Srbu
>-Original Message- >> Actually, the calculation is that it needs a GB of RAM for every TB of managed data. How do you reckon this? Ie, what's the basic assumption(s) for the statement? Parity calculations for stripes or what? I don't follow. I can't say I've ever heard any such like, so

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Steve Tindall
On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 19:16 +0200, Rudi Ahlers wrote: > Unfortunately, the only ECC capable motherboards I can get my > hands on will be XEON, which is much more expensive than a normal > desktop type motherboard. And the CPU's will cost more. Consider using an Asus socket AM2 motherboard, as

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Steve Thompson
A cheap server: there are many different values of cheap; it all depends on what you need it for. For my home network, I just picked up a brand new Dell Poweredge PE2900 server (from Dell) with two quad-core 2.33 GHz processors, 24 GB memory and two 250 GB SATA disks for $2800. Price was too

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Les Mikesell
Rudi Ahlers wrote: I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU (probably a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) & some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x 320GB - 750GB). My budget is limited, so I can't afford a pre-built NAS devic

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Rudi Ahlers
Rainer Duffner wrote: Am 29.06.2008 um 09:08 schrieb Rudi Ahlers: Hi all I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU (probably a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) & some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x 320GB - 750GB). My b

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Rudi Ahlers
John R Pierce wrote: Rudi Ahlers wrote: Hi all I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU (probably a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) & some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x 320GB - 750GB). My budget is limited, so I can't

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Shade-GE
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Iv'e done a NAS with centos 5.2 here. Specs are: Portwell WADE 8056 board with Intel Core2Duo 2,4GHZ, 4GB (2x 2GB kingston DDR2 667), 4x 500GB Samsung SATA2 HDD's and a very nice Chenbro ES34069 NAS case. The board only supports SoftRaid, so i made a

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread Rainer Duffner
Am 29.06.2008 um 09:08 schrieb Rudi Ahlers: Hi all I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU (probably a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) & some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x 320GB - 750GB). My budget is limited, so

Re: [CentOS] settings up cheap a NAS / SAN server, is it possible?

2008-06-29 Thread John R Pierce
Rudi Ahlers wrote: Hi all I want to look at setting up a simple / cheap SAN / NAS server using normal PIV motherboard, 2GB (or even more) RAM, Core 2 Duo CPU (probably a Intel 6700 / 6750 / 6800) & some SATA HDD's (4 or 6x 320GB - 750GB). My budget is limited, so I can't afford a pre-built NA