Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-next plans

2012-11-23 Thread David Lang
Playing Devil's advocate here. Why do you need IPV6 for HAM use (other than the fact that it's new). There aren't enough users to exhaust the IPv4 address space, and the packets are larger so they take more airtime. David Lang AG6AH On Fri, 23 Nov 2012, dpr...@reed.com wro

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] FQ_Codel lwn draft article review

2012-11-27 Thread David Lang
On Tue, 27 Nov 2012, Jim Gettys wrote: 2) "fairness" is not necessarily what we ultimately want at all; you'd really like to penalize those who induce congestion the most. But we don't currently have a solution (though Bob Briscoe at BT thinks he does, and is seeing if he can get it out from un

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] More sanely debloating wifi aggregates

2012-12-13 Thread David Lang
both among the best price/performance and with device hacking supported. I haven't looked into the chipsets (I just recieved my Nexus 10) David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.ne

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] supplies of the wndr3800 seem to be drying up

2012-12-17 Thread David Lang
even called Netgear in my research, and while they are completely out of stock, they do not show the 3800 as being end of life yet, so this could be a temporary gap. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...

2012-12-22 Thread David Lang
cking with kernel compile options. If someone is willing to coach me through the process, I'd be happy to do the experimentation. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...

2012-12-23 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Dave Taht wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 2:27 AM, David Lang wrote: On Thu, 20 Dec 2012, Richard Brown wrote: The wndr3700v4 is out, and appears to be a good hardware upgrade from the 3800 series, but it's not supported by openwrt yet. I took a look at their GPL s

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...

2012-12-23 Thread David Lang
I'm actually looking for low power devices, I need to put a lot of them in a small area, so I'll be turning the power down about as far as it will go. I'll look over their devices David Lang On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Outback Dingo wrote: Ubiquiti has quite a list of products tha

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...

2012-12-23 Thread David Lang
In looking at their products, they seem to have almost nothing that's dual band, am I missing something? David Lang On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Dave Taht wrote: I wouldn't mind adding explicit support for ubiquity's in-home pro

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...

2012-12-23 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Dave Taht wrote: On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:14 AM, David Lang wrote: In looking at their products, they seem to have almost nothing that's dual band, am I missing something? Nope. I went single channel for the yurtlab backbone in part because I wanted "har

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] WNDR3700v4 is out...

2013-01-03 Thread David Lang
still working on this, but openwrt has gained support for the WNDR4300, and reports are that it appears that it's the same board as the WNDR3700v4. The 4300 is selling for ~$130 so it's a viable option, even if the 3700v4 falls through. David Lang On Sun, 23 Dec 2012, Dave Taht w

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] breaking off a port off the vlan correctly?

2013-01-05 Thread David Lang
be untagged on that port As an example, here is the config of the 3800 I'm using right now remember that the logical number of the switch ports is backwards from the physical number (I like to use ports 1/4 on one vlan and 2/3 on a different one so that I don't have to keep track) Let

[Cerowrt-devel] 3800 availability

2013-01-06 Thread David Lang
I found that there are several vendors selling through Amazon who have noticable quantities (30+) of the factory refurbished 3800 routers, selling for around $80 each. As the supplies are drying up rapidly, anyone wanting one should move quickly. David Lang

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] fq_codel through Tor

2013-01-19 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013, Dave Taht wrote: https://srv1.openwireless.org/pipermail/tech/2012-December/000332.html I haven't the foggiest idea what this traffic would look like. Is it even possible to induce bufferbloat through tor? with your packets bouncing through so many systems there are sure

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] deployed some cero this weekend, chasing checksums

2013-01-28 Thread David Lang
depending on your hardware, you may be seeing bogus checksums in outbound packets, but the packets on the wire have valid checksums because the hardware computes the checksums and sets them. I know I've run into this one before when doing load testing. David Lang On Mon, 28 Jan 2013, R

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] packet capture hardware

2013-02-04 Thread David Lang
On Mon, 4 Feb 2013, Dave Taht wrote: I think there is also a market need for something that can be an analysis box/home router that can also do captures at typical rates in the home (20-30Mbit), but that's still just above what a wndr3800 can do when last I tried. (it's mostly bound by the usb i

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Switch Issue

2013-02-20 Thread David Lang
you have vlans disabled in this config "option enable_vlan 0" if you want to use vlans > 15 you need "option enable_vlan4k 1" as well David Lang On Wed, 20 Feb 2013, Maciej Soltysiak wrote: Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 20:17:19 +0100 From: Maciej Soltysiak To: William Kat

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] tp-link 4300 evaluation

2013-05-27 Thread David Lang
t. I've seen reports of people getting it to run from an initramfs, but this means that no settings can be preserved across reboot. If you've seen anything different, I'd be very interested to hear about it (I picked up a 3700v4 and a couple 4300's for testing) David

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] tp-link 4300 evaluation

2013-05-27 Thread David Lang
e GPL source for the kernel available from Netgear, I'm a little puzzled that we are having to reverse engineer this instead of working from the source. Even if the first version was little more than a cut-n-paste of the netgear butchered driver until people have time to analyse it fully. Da

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt security

2013-10-22 Thread David Lang
well, DeLorm and other map companies have had Serial/USB/Bluetooth GPS receivers available for a long time. David Lang probably not quite what you were thinking of, but funt On Tue, 22 Oct 2013, Richard E. Brown wrote: On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:59 AM, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: A way to

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] treating 2.4ghz as -legacy?

2013-12-16 Thread David Lang
igit that would make sense to mom? for the Scale conference this year, we are going to use scale and scale-slow to try and discourage people from using 2.4 David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] treating 2.4ghz as -legacy?

2013-12-17 Thread David Lang
is that there are no standards for APs to talk to each other to do this sort of thing so nobody has tackled it as an opensource project. The commercial versions all seem to have a central server that makes these decisions rather than the peer-to-peer model I would expect for an open implemneta

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] cerowrt-3.10.24-5 dev build released

2013-12-17 Thread David Lang
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013, Rich Brown wrote: - From what you’ve said, I don’t have much hope for doing it automagically. But maybe we can provide clues to help the customer do to the right thing. Perhaps the first dropdown could be “Link Layer Adjustments (used on DSL or ATM)” with options for “None

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] treating 2.4ghz as -legacy?

2013-12-17 Thread David Lang
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 07:04:54PM -0800, David Lang wrote: As far as I have been able to tell this is purely a software thing. I'm not sure that it's even that it's so complicated as it is that there are no standards for APs to t

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] treating 2.4ghz as -legacy?

2013-12-18 Thread David Lang
at this would increase the risk of running into race conditions. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] treating 2.4ghz as -legacy?

2013-12-18 Thread David Lang
On Wed, 18 Dec 2013, Michael Richardson wrote: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:07:15 -0500 From: Michael Richardson To: David Lang Cc: cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] treating 2.4ghz as -legacy? David Lang wrote: >> Michael Richardson writes: >&g

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] treating 2.4ghz as -legacy?

2013-12-19 Thread David Lang
On Thu, 19 Dec 2013, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: David Lang writes: I believe that Linux allows having both tagged and untagged packets on the samy physical interface, so the APs could communicate on a VLAN and one could be the gateway to the rest of the network (similar type of overhead

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Perfection vs. Good Enough

2014-01-12 Thread David Lang
enemy of the good. Here are a couple indications: Strong agreement from me as well. David Lang - The rest of the world doesn’t know about this good work. If you look at the front page of the site, we’re recommending CeroWrt 3.7.5-2 from last February. It has Codel, but not much more. Our

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Perfection vs. Good Enough

2014-01-12 Thread David Lang
ot of value in getting another release out that brings all the gains that we have now to everyone. Then development can continue trying to optimize things more. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] notes on going for a stable release

2014-01-14 Thread David Lang
can point people at something fairly recent to use and they can use it with the expectation that by the time it becomes badly obsolete we will have something newer available for them. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] improving security: xinetd

2014-01-17 Thread David Lang
lt, especially for such a long lockout period. If you make the lockout per-IP then it may be reasonable, but this could result in a lot of IPs in your block list. David Lang See the /etc/xinetd.conf and /etc/xinetd.d dir for details However this layer of defense is incomplete as several proces

[Cerowrt-devel] Is there a way to turn off slow wifi speeds on the 3800?

2014-01-20 Thread David Lang
f Cerowrt instead of Openwrt for this configuration? I selected this topology so that devices can transparently move from one AP to another as they move through the hotel. I'm thinking that in this configuration Cerowrt isn't likely to help

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Cerowrt-devel Digest, Vol 26, Issue 49

2014-01-23 Thread David Lang
On Thu, 23 Jan 2014, Jim Gettys wrote: On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Mike O'Dell wrote: re: systemd vs procd vs etcd... If other distros have largely converged to systemd, is it worthwhile for CeroWrt to do something different? This assumes that the daemons in question have already or are

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] saner defaults for config/firewall

2014-03-03 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 23 Feb 2014, J. Daniel Ashton wrote: 2. Google's new Chromecast device useable from all non-guest segments: it has no Ethernet port, so it is on Wi-Fi at 2Mhz, my table on Wi-Fi at 5Mhz, and my desktop on Ethernet. Both tablet and desktop should be able to see the Chromecast and co

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: wndr3800 replacement

2014-03-26 Thread David Lang
nice to be able to use one of the many routers that is shipping with more flash (128M in the newer netgear routers would be nice) if I were to get my hands on one, what sort of testing would you want to do to it to tell if it looks like it would hold up? David Lang On Tue, 25 Mar 2014, Dave

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: wndr3800 replacement

2014-03-27 Thread David Lang
On Thu, 27 Mar 2014, Aaron Wood wrote: Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 13:50:27 +0100 From: Aaron Wood To: David Lang Cc: Dave Taht , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: wndr3800 replacement On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:11 PM, David Lang wrote

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] fq_codel is two years old

2014-05-15 Thread David Lang
If you think "fast lanes" will actually increase performance for any traffic, you are dreaming. the people looking for "fast lanes" are't trying to get traffic through any faster, they are looking to charge more for the traffic they are already passing. David Lang

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] fq_codel is two years old

2014-05-15 Thread David Lang
link-by-link basis with the combined packets of many connections, not end-to-end based on a single connection. David Lang On Thu, 15 May 2014, dpr...@reed.com wrote: I don't think that at all. I suspect you know that. But if I confused you, let me assure you that my view of the proper ope

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] fq_codel is two years old

2014-05-15 Thread David Lang
ngs to create a buffer. David Lang On Thu, 15 May 2014, David P. Reed wrote: Both you and Dave Taft misunderstood my idea about standing queues not being the right way to encode congestion in switches. I do not say there would be no buffers for jitter. Nor do I call for admission control. I ju

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-05-21 Thread David Lang
that another issue with deploying fq_codel widely is that it requires an accurate measurement (currently) of the providers bandwidth. does it need this accurate measurement for sending or for the recieving pacing? David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ubiquiti QOS

2014-05-27 Thread David Lang
imize throughput, you want to buffer as much as you can tolerate for latency reasons. For most apps, this is more than enough to cause problems for other connections. David Lang On Mon, 26 May 2014, David P. Reed wrote: Codel and PIE are excellent first steps... but I don't think they are the best

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ubiquiti QOS

2014-05-27 Thread David Lang
rrives. Stuart and I showed that at last ietf. And you get the classic "buffering" song playing Yep, and if you buffer too much, your "lost packet" is actually still in flight and eating bandwidth. David Lang low latency makes recovery from a loss in an in-order stre

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ubiquiti QOS

2014-05-27 Thread David Lang
On Tue, 27 May 2014, Dave Taht wrote: On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 4:27 PM, David Lang wrote: On Tue, 27 May 2014, Dave Taht wrote: There is a phrase in this thread that is begging to bother me. "Throughput". Everyone assumes that throughput is a big goal - and it certainly is - and

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ubiquiti QOS

2014-05-28 Thread David Lang
is is will look exactly like data sitting in a buffer to the endpoints) the endpoints don't know the state of all the intermediate connections, so unless they get feedback (ECN or dropped packets) they have to assume that there is no congestion. David Lang On Wed, 28 May 2014, dpr...

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ubiquiti QOS

2014-05-28 Thread David Lang
ead, but when congestion happens, they manage the resulting buffers in a way that's works better for people (allowing short, fast connections to be fast with only a small impact on very long connections) David Lang The thing you call "pacing" is something quite different. It is d

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ubiquiti QOS

2014-05-29 Thread David Lang
n the network is using them, they work pretty well, but when someone isn't (or decides to "cheat"), it becomes very unfair in favor of the non-complying system. David Lang On Thu, 29 May 2014, dpr...@reed.com wrote: Note: this is all about "how to achieve and sustain the ballist

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Dave Täht quoted in the ACLU blog

2014-06-27 Thread David Lang
ace and power. The days when it took rooms of Sun boxes to saturate a Gb line are long gone, you can do that with just a handful of machines. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/li

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Low Power UPSes (Was: Re: [Bloat] Dave Täht quoted in the ACLU blog)

2014-06-29 Thread David Lang
er, which is about the ugliest power source you can deal with. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fastpass: A Centralized "Zero-Queue" Datacenter Network

2014-07-18 Thread David Lang
n compute the N! possible paths for the data to take, along with the data from all the other systems to pack them most efficiently into the avilable paths. Someone may eventually make something useful out of this, but I think that it's at best a typical academic ivory tower type of so

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] I've always liked the idea of doing up building-wide networks

2014-07-18 Thread David Lang
it's a link I don't care about, it's easier to delete it along with other e-mail than to go to G+ and look at it. Also, remember that people's G+ feeds show a sampling of what other people post, so some people will miss it if you only post it to G+ David Lang ___

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fastpass: A Centralized "Zero-Queue" Datacenter Network

2014-07-18 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014, David Lang wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2014, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: "Fastpass is a datacenter network framework that aims for high utilization with zero queueing. It provides low median and tail latencies for packets, high data rates between machines, and flexible ne

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fastpass: A Centralized "Zero-Queue" Datacenter Network

2014-07-18 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 16:20:28 -0700, David Lang said: not to mention the scalability issues in trying to get that info to a central point so that it can compute the N! possible paths for the data to take, along with the data from all the other

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-25 Thread David Lang
to support that, you can't just test that link, you have to connect to something beyond that. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-25 Thread David Lang
_codel by default are M70% as good as a tuned setup, there's more space to argue that all setups must be tuned, but then the question is how to they fare against a old, non-BQL, non-fq-codel setup? if they are considerably better, it may still be worthwhile. David Lang ___

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Check out www.speedof.me - no Flash

2014-07-25 Thread David Lang
to stay clear of saturating the bandwith (sacraficing throughput) David Lang Starting point: the only observable effect of a network is to lose and delay data -- i.e. to "attenuate quality" by adding the toxic effects of time to distributed computations. ΔQ is a *morphism* that relates

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Check out www.speedof.me - no Flash

2014-07-25 Thread David Lang
saturate it's link, and have it tell the clients that it's overloaded, wait a random amount of time and retry (or try another location) cost of bandwidth for this is just something to get someone to pay for (ideally someone with tons of bandwidth already who won't notice this sort of te

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Check out www.speedof.me - no Flash

2014-07-25 Thread David Lang
ut, while still being meaningful in the real world. which of the two is more useful is something that we would need to get a bunch of people with different speed lines to report and see which is affected less by line differences and distance to target. David Lang On Fri, 25 Jul 2014, dpr...

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Check out www.speedof.me - no Flash

2014-07-25 Thread David Lang
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:20:53 -0700, David Lang said: cost of bandwidth for this is just something to get someone to pay for (ideally someone with tons of bandwidth already who won't notice this sort of test, even if there are a few goi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi David, On Jul 25, 2014, at 22:57 , David Lang wrote: On Fri, 25 Jul 2014, Wes Felter wrote: The Netgear stock firmware measures bandwidth on every boot or link up (not sure which) and I would suggest doing the same for CeroWRT. Do you

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi David, On Jul 25, 2014, at 23:03 , David Lang wrote: On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:37:34 -0400, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: On Sat, 24 May 2014 10:02:53 -0400, "R." said: Further, this function could be auto-scheduled or made

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Check out www.speedof.me - no Flash

2014-07-26 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 01:26 , David Lang wrote: But I think that what we are seeing from teh results of the bufferbloat work is that a properly configured network doesn't degrade badly as it gets busy. Individual services will degrade as

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 22:21 , David Lang wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 25, 2014, at 22:57 , David Lang wrote: The trouble is that to measure bandwidth, you have to be able to send and receive a lot of traffic

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 22:39 , David Lang wrote: by how much tuning is required, I wasn't meaning how frequently to tune, but how close default settings can come to the performance of a expertly tuned setup. Good question. Ideall

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 23:14 , David Lang wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 22:21 , David Lang wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 25, 2014, at 22:57 , David Lang wrote

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, David Lang wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 22:39 , David Lang wrote: by how much tuning is required, I wasn't meaning how frequently to tune, but how close default settings can come to the performance of a expertly tuned

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Check out www.speedof.me - no Flash

2014-07-26 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 22:53 , David Lang wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 01:26 , David Lang wrote: But I think that what we are seeing from teh results of the bufferbloat work is that a properly

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi David, On Jul 26, 2014, at 23:45 , David Lang wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 22:39 , David Lang wrote: by how much tuning is required, I wasn't meaning how frequently to tune, but how

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 27, 2014, at 00:53 , David Lang wrote: On Sun, 27 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: Hi David, On Jul 26, 2014, at 23:45 , David Lang wrote: On Sat, 26 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 26, 2014, at 22:39 , David Lang

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Ideas on how to simplify and popularize bufferbloat control for consideration.

2014-07-26 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 27 Jul 2014, Sebastian Moeller wrote: On Jul 27, 2014, at 00:23 , David Lang wrote: [...] I'm not worried about an implementation existing as much as the question of if it's on the routers/switches by default, and if it isn't, is the service simple enough to be able t

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Upper routing throughput limit

2014-08-06 Thread David Lang
When link speeds get high enough, do we still need to shape the download for home users? at some point you stop saturating the line. the 3800 can easily handle 100mb if it's not trying to shape the traffic, is it worth seeing if there's any way to squeeze that shaping overhead dow

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Cerowrt-devel Digest, Vol 33, Issue 27

2014-08-28 Thread David Lang
a UI issue :-) At Scale, I have up to 5 SSIDs on an AP, each connected to a different VLAN, plus 3 SSIDs on three of the wired ports (with the two remaining ports being trunks) David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.b

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Is there a particular reason cerowrt isn't using UBIFS?

2014-08-31 Thread David Lang
tting this year, even though the routers have been out for a couple of years) David Lang Is there any particular reason why Cerowrt isn't using ubifs, or squashfs over ubi, other than purely historical and/or this wasn't the research focus of Cerowrt? Thanks,

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Is there a particular reason cerowrt isn't using UBIFS?

2014-08-31 Thread David Lang
ome defintions) systems that use SD cards for their OS system. The I/O to the storage is so slow that the saved I/O time is likely to more than cover the cost of the decompression. Raspberry Pi systems have had to move to 4G cards as their base because it's just not possible to have the standa

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Is there a particular reason cerowrt isn't using UBIFS?

2014-08-31 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014, Theodore Ts'o wrote: On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 12:05:52AM -0700, David Lang wrote: One other place this sort of thing is likely to be useful is for Raspberry Pi and other small (embedded by some defintions) systems that use SD cards for their OS system. The I/O t

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels -> WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-09-02 Thread David Lang
On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Aaron Wood wrote: What this makes me realize is that I should go instrument the cpu stats with each of the various operating modes: * no shaping, anywhere * egress shaping * egress and ingress shaping at various limited levels: * 10Mbps * 20Mbps * 50Mbps * 100Mbp

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [Bloat] Comcast upped service levels -> WNDR3800 can't cope...

2014-09-02 Thread David Lang
:1 NAT that doesn't need connection tracking), you will see much better performance from it. For the Scale conference, I disable connection tracking and run them as bridges to a dedicated VLAN per SSID and do the firewalling and NAT upstream from the APs David Lang I took tcp captures

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] full duplex wifi?

2014-09-16 Thread David Lang
ly enough to be able to transmit and at the same time receive a weak signal on a nearby frequency with the same antenna is a HARD thing to do, and the tools to do so tend to be very finicky (read temperature sensitive) David Lang ___

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] full duplex wifi?

2014-09-16 Thread David Lang
On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, David Lang wrote: On Tue, 16 Sep 2014, Dave Taht wrote: It would be very nice to get some TXOPs back: Is this crazy or not? http://web.stanford.edu/~skatti/pubs/sigcomm13-fullduplex.pdf I start of _extremely_ skeptical of the idea. While it would be a revolutionary

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] full duplex wifi?

2014-09-18 Thread David Lang
nough. I can see cases where this would help, but I don't see this as something that will help in the general case. David Lang On Thu, 18 Sep 2014, dpr...@reed.com wrote: This is not completely crazy. A couple of grad students and I demonstrated this type of thing with USRP's i

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] [OpenWrt-Devel] [RFC PATCH] packages: Smart Queue Management for AQM Packet Scheduling and Qos from CeroWrt

2014-10-02 Thread David Lang
ting to improve this. From the pastebin link Dave listed below, they have it up to ~80Mb now David Lang On Oct 2, 2014 9:55 AM, "Dave Taht" wrote: On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 12:10:46PM -0400, Weedy wrote: On 30/03/14 06:29 PM, Dave Taht wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 02:24:44PM -0400, We

[Cerowrt-devel] bulk packet transmission

2014-10-09 Thread David Lang
r latency related issues. http://lwn.net/Articles/615238/ David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt-devel

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] bulk packet transmission

2014-10-10 Thread David Lang
of what threads exist is just a table of information. The packets are all put in a small number of queues to be sent out, and the low-level driver picks the next packet to send from these queues without caring about what TCP/IP stream it's from. David Lang On Fri, 10 Oct 2014, dpr...@reed.

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] wifi over narrow channels

2014-10-13 Thread David Lang
e time as a nearby station, this makes the distant staton unreadable because it's signal ends up being represented by too few bits in the decoder. David Lang On Thu, 9 Oct 2014, dpr...@reed.com wrote: Wideband is far better for scaling than narrowband, though. This may seem counterintu

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] New FCC requirements and CeroWrt

2014-12-09 Thread David Lang
are being talked about on that page. I hope these are not the "official" openwrt recommendations (and if they are, why are they not on an openwrt page?) David Lang On Tue, 9 Dec 2014, Eric Schultz wrote: Dave, Thanks for the quick response and I appreciate your passion. No one here

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] New FCC requirements and CeroWrt

2014-12-09 Thread David Lang
change the country code means that when hardware does move around the world, it IS going to be operating on the wrong frequencies, because the user has no way to change it. If you can't tell, this topic and how it's mis-interpreted by so many people, some deliberatly, really ann

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] New FCC requirements and CeroWrt

2014-12-09 Thread David Lang
n't allow any software updates at all David Lang On Tue, 9 Dec 2014, Eric Schultz wrote: Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 14:34:14 -0600 From: Eric Schultz To: David Lang Cc: Dave Taht , "cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net" Subject: Re: [Cerowrt-devel] New FCC requirements

[Cerowrt-devel] eBPF filters for traffic classification?

2014-12-11 Thread David Lang
wonder if it would be useful to use something like this for traffic classification for queue selection, traffic throttling, etc? David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferbloat.net/listinfo/cerowrt

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] eBPF filters for traffic classification?

2014-12-11 Thread David Lang
oaded into the kernel, I'm hoping that the performance would be on the same order as C code (even though it's interpreted by the eBPF engine), so it wouldn't have the large performance hit that we have with the current throttling code for example. David Lang On Thu, 11 Dec 2014, D

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: Announcing New airFiber24HD

2014-12-17 Thread David Lang
This is fixed point to fixed point wireless. Suitable to replace the last-mile ISP, but not something that will talk to your laptop. David Lang On Wed, 17 Dec 2014, Dave Taht wrote: Maybe we don't have to fix wifi after all. -- Forwarded message -- From: "Ubiquit

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: Announcing New airFiber24HD

2014-12-17 Thread David Lang
rice, it's that it's a highly directional point-to-point setup, not something that allows more than two devices to talk at once. David Lang On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 1:30 PM, wrote: On Wed, 17 Dec 2014 10:41:03 -0800, Dave Taht said: *15.9 bps/Hz* Spectral Efficiency. If they

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Fwd: Announcing New airFiber24HD

2014-12-17 Thread David Lang
direction. As conditions degrade, the speed will slow. The top speed is using 1024-QAM modulation, it will then fall back to 256-QAM (which is the top that 802.11ac will use), and then to 64-QAM (which is the top of 802.11n) This has far more in common with old fashioned microwave links than Wi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Cerowrt-devel Digest, Vol 37, Issue 24

2014-12-21 Thread David Lang
e of both directions at once. David Lang keep in mind that the reason the 2.4 and 5.8 ISM bands are where they are is specifically because of the ready absorption of RF at those frequencies. the propagation is *intended* to be problematic. that said, with good-enough antennas mounted with

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Cerowrt-devel Digest, Vol 37, Issue 24

2014-12-21 Thread David Lang
there is a correlation between frequency and distance with commonly available equipment that is easy to mistake for causation. David Lang Please don't repeat nonsense. On Dec 20, 2014, Mike O'Dell wrote: 15.9bps/Hz is unlikely to be using simple phase encoding that sounds m

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] SInce I mentioned this crew's work in a post, I don't want anyone to be surprised.

2015-01-06 Thread David Lang
On Tue, 6 Jan 2015, Dave Taht wrote: On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 9:26 AM, wrote: GoGo does not need to run “Man in the Middle Attacks” on YouTube re: http://www.reed.com/blog-dpr/?p=174 I amplified via g+ and mentioned to slashdot. (http://slashdot.org/submission/4107907/gogo-airline-network-bl

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Recording RF management info _and_ associated traffic?

2015-01-21 Thread David Lang
with more APs operating at lower power levels so that you have fewer people talking to each one. David Lang So when I scan I do see a lot of intermittent probes or wifi traffic from other things but nothing cronic. I haven't been able to run a scan when it all goes to hell though. Wi

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Recording RF management info _and_ associated traffic?

2015-01-22 Thread David Lang
On Thu, 22 Jan 2015, Richard Smith wrote: On 01/21/2015 06:58 PM, David Lang wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2015, Richard Smith wrote: Thanks for the response. First I want to say that I'm sensitive to the fact that this is the Cerowrt-devel list and not the small business WiFi help list

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Recording RF management info _and_ associated traffic?

2015-01-22 Thread David Lang
o this happened a lot at your SCALE setups? two years ago we had a problem with the APs dropping off, but last year everything worked wonderfully. David Lang ___ Cerowrt-devel mailing list Cerowrt-devel@lists.bufferbloat.net https://lists.bufferblo

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Recording RF management info _and_ associated traffic?

2015-01-24 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 24 Jan 2015, dpr...@reed.com wrote: On Thursday, January 22, 2015 1:19pm, "Richard Smith" said: On 01/22/2015 04:18 AM, David Lang wrote: >> Recently, we picked up the 11th floor as well and moved many people up >> there. I got a 3rd AP (another TP-Link AC175

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Recording RF management info _and_ associated traffic?

2015-01-24 Thread David Lang
t for your wifi? I'm running OpenWRT on the APs but haven't done anything in particular to activate it. I'll check what we have on the firewall (a fairly up to day Debian build) What's the best way to monitor the queues? David Lang _

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Recording RF management info _and_ associated traffic?

2015-01-24 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 24 Jan 2015, David Lang wrote: On Sat, 24 Jan 2015, Dave Taht wrote: I am of course interested in how fq_codel performs on your ISP link, and are you planning on running it for your wifi? I'm running OpenWRT on the APs but haven't done anything in particular to activat

Re: [Cerowrt-devel] Recording RF management info _and_ associated traffic?

2015-01-25 Thread David Lang
On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, Dave Taht wrote: I want to make clear that I support dlang's design in the abstract... and am just arguing because it is a slow day. I welcome challenges to the design, it's how I improve things :-) On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:44 PM, David Lang wrote: On S

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