RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Maureen
At 11:27 AM 12/18/01, you wrote: >Can an American citizen (not you yet Phil) confirm that the President MUST >be a Christian (i.e. is it a part of the constitution)? Has the US ever had >a non-Christian president? > >Cheers > >Will The only requirements to be president is that you must have been

RE: Citizenship Tests

2001-12-18 Thread Jacob
Honestly though, I would call bureaucracy the fourth branch of governmen At 06:47 PM 12/18/2001 -0800, you wrote: >It's not called the Fourth Estate for nothing ... > >H. <--- who is proud to call his profession the Fourth Estate > > >-Original Message- >From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECT

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread howard
I'm surprised nobody mentioned this bit of the Constitution: Article Six, Section 3: "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several State legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread howard
Protestants believe that the bread is the body of Christ and the wine is his blood. Protestants celebrate the Eucharist, just not at every service, like Catholics. H. -Original Message- From: Kevin Gilchrist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 7:06 PM To: CF-Com

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread howard
Correct, and gnosticism adopted Christ ... which is why you have the gnostic gospels, such as St. Thomas. Gnosticism was a big threat to first and second century Christianity. H. -Original Message- From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:37 AM

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Kevin Gilchrist
Some other differences are the issuing of sacraments like when the Eucharist is said at a mass, the communion bread is meant to be infused (wrong word but can't think of the proper one ) with the Holy Spirit and becomes the Body of Christ. Confession is another etc. -Original Message- F

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Maureen
At 09:57 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >Michael, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't another major difference is that >Catholism teaches that salvation is a combination of faith and good works -- >you must do good works to get into heaven? Whereas protestants believe that >you are saved by faith alone? >

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread howard
First, there were Christians. Catholic means "universal" as in the Universal Church. The Nicean Creed speaks of one "catholic church" (notice the lower case C). Around 300 AD, you had your first Pope (at least as we know a Pope today). Some time after that, you had the Eastern Orthodox break o

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread howard
Michael, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't another major difference is that Catholism teaches that salvation is a combination of faith and good works -- you must do good works to get into heaven? Whereas protestants believe that you are saved by faith alone? H. -Original Message- From:

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread howard
Well ... except, Muslims worship God. And their Koran teaches that it's the same God whom Christians and Jews worship. Partisans to all three major religions may argue over whether it is all the same God, but the theological question would be different than the legal question, if it ever came to

RE: Citizenship Tests

2001-12-18 Thread howard
It's not called the Fourth Estate for nothing ... H. <--- who is proud to call his profession the Fourth Estate -Original Message- From: Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:00 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Citizenship Tests 4-- Judicial Executive L

RE: benjamin...consumerism

2001-12-18 Thread Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
Don't know about Benjamin, but I have been here my whole life, except for travel. They are stereo types in reality. She was just hornsnaggled a nd converted to the 'way'. ;) -Gary > -Original Message- > From: Fleischer, Beth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001

RE: I will be gone for a bit...

2001-12-18 Thread Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
Thanks for the encouraging words. I just can't seem to keep my mouth shut. I think I will career change and be a politician, Republican. Then I ca n say stuff and people will buy right in, no questions asked. ;) Yes, MyKitPlane is my site. Was it down or slow? I haven't tested it much, only wor

RE: I will be gone for a bit...

2001-12-18 Thread Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
Send gobs of money. LOL. Thanks for the offer Larry. Actually, findin g out helped. This has been in lombo for months, so now I can pursue other avenues. I was mainly concerned about the staff but I think they will be okay. -Gary > -Original Message- > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL P

RE: DEVCON & training costs

2001-12-18 Thread Adam Phillip Churvis
I gotta second Jon's vote of confidence on Dave Watts. Super brilliant, and a really nice person, too. Respectfully, Adam Phillip Churvis Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer Productivity Enhancement, Inc. http://www.ColdFusionTraining.com E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 770-446-8866

RE: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
Thanks. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ch

RE: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I've got it in mp3 at home. I'll post it. :) At 05:38 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >As a follow-up, you may want to try this wav file - sorry did not have >time >to convert it to an MP3 file. >http://lyons.ebstor.com/fword.wav > >have a good night all. > >larry > >-- >Larry C. Lyons >ColdFusion/Web D

Re: Some useless nature trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Todd
hehe .. I've seen video of it happening in the wild too. hmmm .. maybe cameras make them nervous as well? It was kinda interesting because the male's head was gone and they had finished mating and then the male started trying to get away. I mean, th e thing's head is gone .. how does it know to

RE: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
As a follow-up, you may want to try this wav file - sorry did not have time to convert it to an MP3 file. http://lyons.ebstor.com/fword.wav have a good night all. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 M

RE: Some useless nature trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Fleischer, Beth
what i recently read about praying mantis' is that they only do this in captivity - its never been reproduced in the wild and they believe its stress related due to all the scientists watching insects having sex. > -Original Message- > From: Todd [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday,

Re: DEVCON & training costs

2001-12-18 Thread Jon Hall
Hopefully the next Devcon being the Neo Devcon will be different, but if it's like this last one you wont learn anything. It's just a big long Macromedia sales pitch with a little basic training thrown in. The best thing about the Devcon was the Cf-Community suite... If you are looking into actual

Re: Some useless nature trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Todd
> The male praying mantis cannot copulate while its head is attached to its body. The female initiates sex by ripping the male's head > off. (Honey, I'm home. What the) (Well, at least pigs get a break there...) This is only *some* species .. and I don't *think* it's to initiate sex .. I thin

Re: DEVCON & training costs

2001-12-18 Thread Howie Hamlin
$995 Howie - Original Message - From: "Paul Ihrig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:11 PM Subject: RE: DEVCON & training costs > thanks Adam > i will put the info in my DOOMED budget > > any one know admission price for las

RE: DEVCON & training costs

2001-12-18 Thread Paul Ihrig
thanks Adam i will put the info in my DOOMED budget any one know admission price for last years devcon? thx -paul -Original Message- From: Adam Phillip Churvis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 5:07 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: DEVCON & training costs

Re: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread corrigan
stupid human brain... "Shut up brain or I'll poke you with pencil!" Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions www.endoradigital.com 630/942-5211 x-134 - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:03 PM Subject: R

RE: DEVCON & training costs

2001-12-18 Thread Adam Phillip Churvis
Are you asking about a budget for non-DEVCON-related training, too? If so, take a look at the advanced intensive training we provide at www.ColdFusionTraining.com. Make sure to note in your budget that all food for all three meals each day is included in the tuition (really good food, too). Be

Re: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
And as a follow up both because its on the site and so well explained: http://www.wordorigins.org/wordorf.htm#fuck I love that site. I love google for getting it for me. I love the human brain that can think up all this stuff. At 04:51 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >Don't be a tease - tell us... > >H

Re: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Howie Hamlin
I found a page that has some other explanations: http://www.uselessknowledge.com/word/yards.shtml Howie - Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:55 PM Subject: Re: Some useless trivia (to

Re: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
and finally: http://www.wordorigins.org/wordorw.htm#nineyard At 04:51 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >Don't be a tease - tell us... > >Howie > >- Original Message - >From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:48 PM >Su

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Fleischer, Beth
a christian believes that christ was the messiah. if you believe that you are christian. there are many of what i call "lapsed catholics" running around. they were raised RC but dont' believe. I would not call these folks catholic. > -Original Message- > From: Vinny DiDonato [SMTP:[E

Re: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
and this: http://znet.net/~sdsampe/story.htm At 04:51 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >Don't be a tease - tell us... > >Howie > >- Original Message - >From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:48 PM >Subject: Re: Some

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Fleischer, Beth
well...by my principals it IS wrong. Sometimes you have to sacrifice for the bigger good. > -Original Message- > From: Marcus [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:50 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...) > > The conc

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Fleischer, Beth
its a racist idea to count blacks as less than a person, but quite frankly if the purpose was to free them, then I would say that the folks who instituted the practice weren't racist. I am a principaled person, but not to the point where i can't see the purpose in this. > -Original Message--

Re: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
chew on this for a few moments: http://www.9-yards.com/whole9.html At 04:51 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >Don't be a tease - tell us... > >Howie > >- Original Message - >From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:48

DEVCON & training costs

2001-12-18 Thread Paul Ihrig
i need to create another budget & cant find my info on it. any help would Greatly be appreciated. cost for devcon? cf 5.0 training & certification info? thank you __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB

RE: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
I've heard that's the amount of cloth required to make a burial shroud. The other one I've heard is that its the amount of concrete in an old type of mixer. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassa

Re: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I can't till I get home. At 04:51 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >Don't be a tease - tell us... > >Howie > >- Original Message - >From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:48 PM >Subject: Re: Some useless trivia (to l

Some useless nature trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Howie Hamlin
If you yelled for 8 years, 7 months and 6 days, you would have produced enough sound energy to heat one cup of coffee. (Hardly seems worth it) If you're producing body gas (know what we mean..?) consistently for 6 years and 9 months, enough gas is produced to create the energy of an atomic bomb

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Fleischer, Beth
roman catholics ARE christians. > -Original Message- > From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 7:46 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...) > > nopenot joking, just asking a question. You must remember th

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Fleischer, Beth
WHAT? no the president doesn't have to be a christian - that violates our countries freedom of religion rights. I don't think we have had a non-christian president however,. > -Original Message- > From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 7:28 AM >

Re: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Howie Hamlin
Don't be a tease - tell us... Howie - Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:48 PM Subject: Re: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood) > There's a lot of controversy as to where the ph

RE: Fun research studies at the University of Toronto

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
Now are the research subjects pay for the research or do they pay to participate. Somehow I don't want to know how they did the standardized measures of performance in this case. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lan

RE: I'll never understand...

2001-12-18 Thread Fleischer, Beth
I am speaking out my ass, but it seems to me that if my brother can go from being an american citizen to an aussie-american citizen that you should be able to go the other way as well. > -Original Message- > From: Philip Arnold - ASP [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18,

Re: Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
There's a lot of controversy as to where the phrase came from. I have a book at home with two different possible origins. >The term "the whole 9 yards" came from W.W.II fighter pilots in the >Pacific. When arming their airplanes on the ground, the >50-caliber machine gun ammo belts measured exa

Fun research studies at the University of Toronto

2001-12-18 Thread Howie Hamlin
My college wasn't like this... http://deed.megan.ryerson.ca/~fil/M/humor/utoto.gif __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER Instant Activation · $99/Month · Free Setup http://www.pe

benjamin...consumerism

2001-12-18 Thread Fleischer, Beth
it struck me as i was on the plane last night happily flying away from -11 F temps) that some of your stereotypical views of the us sound very much like what my sister in law felt about americans (albeit without the intense distaste for them, seeing as she married one). After visiting here sever

Some useless trivia (to lighten the mood)

2001-12-18 Thread Howie Hamlin
In Shakespeare's time, mattresses were secured on bed frames by ropes. When you pulled on the ropes, the mattress tightened, making the bed firmer to sleep on. That's where the phrase, "goodnight, sleep tight" came from. The sentence "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog." uses every let

RE: I'll never understand...

2001-12-18 Thread Fleischer, Beth
i am a citizen and I didn't have to declare anything. i was born this way. > -Original Message- > From: Will Swain [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:42 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: I'll never understand... > > No country is. There are any numbe

If Operating Systems Ran the Airlines

2001-12-18 Thread Howie Hamlin
UNIX Airways Everyone brings one piece of the plane along when they come to the airport. They all go out on the runway and put the plane together piece by piece, arguing non-stop about what kind of plane they are supposed to be building. Air DOS Everybody pushes the airplane until it glides,

Re: I will be gone for a bit...

2001-12-18 Thread corrigan
Well maybe if you didn't spend so much time debating me, you wouldn't.just kidding you man. Really sorry to hear about that. That's never good news during the holidays. You'll be fine though. There are plenty of opportunities out there for someone as talented as you. Just keep your mo

RE: I will be gone for a bit...

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
Damn that sucks Gary. And the announcement just before Christmas yet. If there's anything we can do to help please let us know. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel:

I will be gone for a bit...

2001-12-18 Thread Gary P. McNeel, Jr.
My department at Rice is going away, and with it, my job. My staff wi ll be okay and I have until Feb. 28th. Not to upset mind you, this last 8 months has been an up and down ride, not knowing what would happen. I inheri ted it at 360K in the whole, no way to turn it around. The school just need

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Jerry Johnson
It would have been racist if they counted as less than a person because of race. They were actually counted as less than a person because they were slaves, or owned by other people. Not a good reason, I know, but less race-based at that time than economic and social. People of many races wer

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread corrigan
My understanding is that all who believe in Jesus are Christians and can be sub-divided into various groups including Catholics, Protestants, etc. Great, we've got a tree structure of Christianity. Next we'll be debating if it should go into an array, a structure or stored as XML.

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Maureen
At 12:58 PM 12/18/01, Jacob wrote: >Or is Christianity and Episcopalian both forms of Catholicism? Honest... >which did come first? Christianity is by definition the worship of Christ, which predated all the churches, sects, and denominations established by the followers of Jesus and his disci

RE: I'll never understand...

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
Given some of Dubya's answers to various question in the last election period (i.e., the president interprets the law for instance), I do not think he would pass the test. Perhaps it should be a requirement of all office holders. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advan

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
My understanding is that all who believe in Jesus are Christians and can be sub-divided into various groups including Catholics, Protestants, etc. Great, we've got a tree structure of Christianity. Next we'll be debating if it should go into an array, a structure or stored as XML. :) At 02:24

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread corrigan
"You are CORRECT, Ma'am!!!" Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions www.endoradigital.com 630/942-5211 x-134 - Original Message - From: Maureen To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...) At

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Howie Hamlin
What? All catholics are Christian... Howie - Original Message - From: "Vinny DiDonato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...) > Not that I'm really religious, but I was ra

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Vinny DiDonato
Not that I'm really religious, but I was raised Roman Catholic and never considered myself Christian. -V -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 2:16 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...) At 11:38 A

Re: I'll never understand...

2001-12-18 Thread Todd
woohoo .. got them all right .. well until i just quit when they started repeating. Can I get an extra citizenship, just in case? I would hate t o lose my current one and not have a spare. Todd - Original Message - From: "Maureen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTE

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Maureen
At 11:53 AM 12/18/01, Philip Arnold wrote: >Thinking about that brought something to mind > >A few years back when Satanic Verses came out, there was a load of >shouting about it being Blasphemy... The British definition of blasphemy >is 'any contemptuous, reviling, scurrilous or ludicrous matter

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Maureen
At 11:38 AM 12/18/01, Nathan wrote: >Are you Joking? > >How about John F. Kennedy? Religion: Roman Catholic I'm fairly certain that Catholics consider themselves to be Christian. __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
One last one. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. sorry lack of sleep and a neurotic client tends to do this to me. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 te

Re: I'll never understand...

2001-12-18 Thread Maureen
At 09:34 AM 12/18/01, you wrote: >heh .. wonder how many of us could pass that test? > >Todd http://www.ins.gov/graphics/exec/natz/natztest.asp __ Dedicated Windows 2000 Server PIII 800 / 256 MB RAM / 40 GB HD / 20 GB MO/XFER

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
ok, I quit, you win. I'm not going to keep this up. It's going into a dark place where nothing should go. (I had to get a parting shot). :) At 01:57 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >No that's the client's head. Although in this instance I think I'll forgo >making it my last stand. > >Or is this another

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
No that's the client's head. Although in this instance I think I'll forgo making it my last stand. Or is this another of your coding STANDards? larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 2

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Actually, in that case you'd be speaking with your head up a horses @**. ;) At 01:51 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >In this case we're probably beating a dead horse. > >larry > >-- >Larry C. Lyons >ColdFusion/Web Developer >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >EBStor.com >8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread corrigan
In the case of the 3/5th's rule, I don't think so. THAT should get some people hopping mad! Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions www.endoradigital.com 630/942-5211 x-134 - Original Message - From: Marcus To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:49

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
In this case we're probably beating a dead horse. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http:/

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Marcus
The concept of giving, taking, preferring, or denying anyone ANYTHING based on race is by definition a 'racist practice'. But does that also mean it's wrong? Marcus > You are correct. But the fact that it separated a group and > counted them as > less than a person is a racist practice, I think

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
As I don't want a dead CF programmer I will not mention the dangers of standing up while under a horse. At 01:46 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >LOL , you guys are killing me!!! > > > >Michael Corrigan >Programmer >Endora Digital Solutions >www.endoradigital.com >630/942-5211 x-134 > - Original M

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
can't stand it any more? larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com email: [EM

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread corrigan
LOL , you guys are killing me!!! Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions www.endoradigital.com 630/942-5211 x-134 - Original Message - From: Larry Lyons To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
I guess its one of those things you have to stand up for. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com

Re: The Other Reindeer

2001-12-18 Thread Howie Hamlin
D'oh - there's a Christmas cartoon that came out a few years ago called "Olive the Other Reindeer." Howie - Original Message - From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:42 PM Subject: The Other Reindeer > "*Unk

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
The references are pretty old - over 100 years mostly. Has there been any recent archeological evidence about Gnosticism as a separate religious sect? Generally most 19th century tracts tend to be very biased. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Devel

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Nick McClure
You are correct. But the fact that it separated a group and counted them as less than a person is a racist practice, I think. At 12:32 PM 12/18/2001 -0600, you wrote: > >From what I recall from that is that it wasn't based on Racism but the >opposite. It was one way for the North to prevent the

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Than its probably better that you don't take it lying down. :) At 01:34 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >that's a pretty sh**ty joke Michael. > >larry > >-- >Larry C. Lyons >ColdFusion/Web Developer >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >EBStor.com >8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 >Manassas, Virginia 20

The Other Reindeer

2001-12-18 Thread Angel Stewart
"*Unknown Reindeer* The game show contestant was only 200 points behind the leader and about to answer the final question, worth 500 points! "To be today's champion," the show's smiling host intoned, "name two of Santa's reindeer." The contestant, a man in his early 30s, gave a sigh of relief

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Howie Hamlin
Gnosticism was around in B.C. so it can't be derived from Catholicism. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06592a.htm As far as I know, Martin Luther was the very first Protestant and later on the Church of England was founded due to King Henry VIII. Of course, I'm no scholar :-) Howie - Ori

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
always remember, history is written by the winners C. Hatton Humphrey, Developer Fisher, Towne & Associates 716-839-2141 x336 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 1:33 PM > To: CF-Community > Sub

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
that's a pretty sh**ty joke Michael. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.co

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread corrigan
>From what I recall from that is that it wasn't based on Racism but the opposite. It was one way for the North to prevent the South from having a disproportionate number of representatives, thereby being able to perpetuate slavery legally. By allowing slaves to only be considered 3/5th's of

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
It is, just not the muffins your expecting. ;) At 01:29 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >at least it isn't a muffin barrage. > >larry > >-- >Larry C. Lyons >ColdFusion/Web Developer >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >EBStor.com >8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 >Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 >tel:

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
at least it isn't a muffin barrage. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com http://www.pacel.com

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
A chaplain is a minister. Their whole function in the military is related to matters of faith and the administration of the church. A lay reader is a person who can minister but also has another job or function as well. As an example, the Native American lay reader was also an avionics technici

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Let loose the horsies of war!!! At 01:25 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >um one reads the service standing up and the other lying down? > >larry > >-- >Larry C. Lyons >ColdFusion/Web Developer >Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer >EBStor.com >8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 >Manassas, Virginia 20109-3

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread corrigan
LOL!!! That was very funny!! Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions www.endoradigital.com 630/942-5211 x-134 - Original Message - From: Larry Lyons To: CF-Community Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 12:25 PM Subject: RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Nick McClure
Correct, There have Christians, and a few Deists, and some that claim no affiliation. One things the Constitution does say that leaned to racist side was the way the census was counted. It was called the three-fifths compromise. The south wanted their slaves counted when it came to proportion

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread corrigan
Hey, My brother was on the USS George Washington!! He was on the very first crew. As a matter of fact, I drank my Leinenkugel's Red out of a USS George Washington commemorative glass last night. He was an electronics guy, worked with satellites and stuff. Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora D

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
um one reads the service standing up and the other lying down? larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.com 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 tel: (703) 393-7930 fax: (703) 393-2659 Web: http://www.ebstor.com

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
What's the difference between a lay reader and a chaplain? At 01:21 PM 12/18/01, you wrote: >Actually, the military recognizes Wicca, Native American, Satanism >(Crowley's blend if memory serves) and other religions (I'm *not* going to >debate their validity here, that's a horse of a different co

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Larry Lyons
I thought the Orthodox Church was first, with Catholicism breaking with it around 900AD. Then the Lutherans, Anglicans etc breaking off during the Reformation. The other schismatics happened later. larry -- Larry C. Lyons ColdFusion/Web Developer Certified Advanced ColdFusion 5 Developer EBStor.

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Maybe, but I know a group of SF writers who dressed as jedi during a recent convention that took place during the whole jedi religion controversy. One of them even started a whole joke running because he looked like Jesus. The jokes about him entering the room, his wife and all were great. But

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
Actually, the military recognizes Wicca, Native American, Satanism (Crowley's blend if memory serves) and other religions (I'm *not* going to debate their validity here, that's a horse of a different color), but their services are run by recognized "lay readers" as opposed to chaplains that are so

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread corrigan
I have no idea why I remember this, but I remember a "Family Ties" episode where something happened to, I think, Alex's little sister and she was in the hospital and she might die. I guess Alex had something to do with it so, feeling guilty, he went to the hospital chapel to pray. While he w

Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread corrigan
I think you're right, but when I was in they were conducting separate masses for Baptists. That may not be policy, however, but a local consideration for the installation that I was assigned to (25th ID(L), Schofield Barracks Hi.) At my other previous assignments though, they had just the 4 t

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Will Swain
oh you do Michael, you just haven't met me yet!! ;) will -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 December 2001 18:08 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Racism (was: I'll never understand...) True, but its not in America. And while I know wiccans, satan

RE: Racism (was: I'll never understand...)

2001-12-18 Thread Will Swain
well quitebut that's a whole different story!! ;) My original question was in relation to the debate on racism and whether or not it exists in American society. I was interested to know if such a restriction existed in the constitution. Evidently not, although the requirement that you must be

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