Re: So, does conservative talk radio talk for conservatives?

I saw that story somewhere. What a couple of morons. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:12 PM, Jerry wrote: > If so, this must hurt: > > Twin Cities radio duo: Magic fakes having AIDS > > http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/30740994.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO

Re: Goodwin Completes The Link

Dictionary. Invasion does not have to mean conquer/subjugate/regime change. A thief invading your house does not mean to stay. He wants in and out. And yes, the term is used that way all the time. Some may assume that it means conquer/subjugate/regime change, but As for the Pakistani government

So, does conservative talk radio talk for conservatives?

If so, this must hurt: Twin Cities radio duo: Magic fakes having AIDS http://www.startribune.com/sports/wolves/30740994.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aULPQL7PQLanchO7DiUr ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 i

Re: Goodwin Completes The Link

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And the difference between striking and invading is? They're synonymous. I thought it was rather clear and obvious. You invade a country when you mean to conquer/subjugate/regime change it. We invaded Iraq, we meant to

on a high toned note

Obama today commended McCain for calling out the people injecting hate into the campaign and said he respected McCain, just like McCain said he respected Obama. Let's all hope the haters go back in their holes. ~| Adobe® ColdFusi

Re: Time: Palin "Shockingly Amateurish"

lol, glad you are enjoying it. just remember to take a shower after the election. a long hot shower. that's what i plan to do. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Dana wrote: > > You know what this is fun. There's enough mud for everyone. > ~~~

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

I said the Rudolph bombing was terrorism. I got the state wrong, I thought it was Georgia. The Lee Ann Nichols murder sounds like murder by a homicidal lunatic.Witness the fact that the perp later killed himself in jail. Still horrible, but I would not classify it as terrorism. Hate crime, yes. Te

Re: Iraq is on it's way to a stable democracy

No, that it's heading towards one. See where it says "on it's way" ^ As in not yet there. Maureen wrote: > The guys on the ground are claiming that Iraq has a stable democracy? > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> So the guys on the ground are lying too?

Re: Iraq is on it's way to a stable democracy

The guys on the ground are claiming that Iraq has a stable democracy? On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So the guys on the ground are lying too? > > There are obviously still some problems on the ground, and likely will > be some level of violence for years to co

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

shooting through windows? Robert Munn wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Dana wrote: > >> ok so wait if the target is an abortion clinic it isn't terrorism? >> If you actually do kill an doctor it isn't murder? Apparently John >> McCain thinks it's ok too, as he voted against a bill t

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

A private businesses security is not the governments business. Dana wrote: > ok so wait if the target is an abortion clinic it isn't terrorism? > If you actually do kill an doctor it isn't murder? Apparently John > McCain thinks it's ok too, as he voted against a bill that would have > institu

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

Thats not McCain, thats his supporter. Dana wrote: > http://wsj.com/article/SB122350949805717257.html > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE3DA1439F934A25752C1A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all >> >> On Sat, O

Re: Goodwin Completes The Link

And the difference between striking and invading is? They're synonymous. And yes, there's an IF there but he did say it. Threaten it even. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 10:35 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I see striking. I also see a very very big IF in that sentence. > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

tell that to Robert Sanderson and Lee Ann Nichols http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion-related_violence On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Dana wrote: > >> ok so wait if the target is an abortion clinic it isn't terrori

Re: Time: Palin "Shockingly Amateurish"

McCain's domestic terrorist buddy. Dana You know what this is fun. There's enough mud for everyone. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Dana wrote: > >> oh ok. And MSNBC and the Wall Street Journal too? The voting records >>

Re: Iraq is on it's way to a stable democracy

I hope you are right. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So the guys on the ground are lying too? > > There are obviously still some problems on the ground, and likely will > be some level of violence for years to come. Thing is we are quickly > reaching the leve

Re: Time: Palin "Shockingly Amateurish"

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Dana wrote: > oh ok. And MSNBC and the Wall Street Journal too? The voting records > of the US Senate? They are all conspiring to get Obama elected? All of > them? huh? What do the voting records of the US Senate have to do with Mike Wooten? ~~~

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Dana wrote: > ok so wait if the target is an abortion clinic it isn't terrorism? > If you actually do kill an doctor it isn't murder? Apparently John > McCain thinks it's ok too, as he voted against a bill that would have > instituted soem security at abortion

Re: Time: Palin "Shockingly Amateurish"

oh ok. And MSNBC and the Wall Street Journal too? The voting records of the US Senate? They are all conspiring to get Obama elected? All of them? On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Read the other report. The guy was not intimidated. The legislative report > d

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

Maybe, Tim. I am not even going to try to figure out the organizational chart. I don't have enough information. But the peple who were very patronizingly sayig that people who were not terrorists have nothing to fear need to be slapped. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:58 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

ok so wait if the target is an abortion clinic it isn't terrorism? If you actually do kill an doctor it isn't murder? Apparently John McCain thinks it's ok too, as he voted against a bill that would have instituted soem security at abortion clinics. Twice. >> thugs.not terrorists. Although I

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27102333/ On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Dana wrote: > >> http://wsj.com/article/SB122350949805717257.html > > > thugs.not terrorists. Although I like this part of the article: > > "Barack Obama

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

I don't think we should have an NSA. Or a CIA, DEA, ATF, DHS, or a great many other federal agencies for this very reason. While I do think we need the FBI, they are a perfect example of a federal law enforcement agency gone wild, being caught in hundreds of criminal violations in the first ye

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Dana wrote: > http://wsj.com/article/SB122350949805717257.html thugs.not terrorists. Although I like this part of the article: "Barack Obama's friend tried to kill my family." ~| Adobe® ColdFu

Re: Time: Palin "Shockingly Amateurish"

Read the other report. The guy was not intimidated. The legislative report doesn't discuss anything personnel information about Wooten except what he approved because of privacy laws, so he gets off in that report without any scrutiny. He made a revenge plot and even told them he was going to get t

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

http://wsj.com/article/SB122350949805717257.html On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE3DA1439F934A25752C1A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ht

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F0CE3DA1439F934A25752C1A965958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&session=1&vote=00373 > > On Sat,

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&session=1&vote=00373 On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > nice try. show a link to an actual reputable source that backs up your > claim. > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:34

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > nice try. show a link to an actual reputable source that backs up your > claim. > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Gruss wrote: > >> >> Thus one of McCain's major benefactors - and delegates - was and is a >> supported of

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

Ok, heres the problem. Later in the story they interview two other people that worked at the same facility that both said the main source was full of it, and I don't know what to think. I have known people that would stoop to making something up to support their position, but I have also known

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

see? It will keep happening. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Even then I'd imagine it would be difficult at best. > > > > Dana wrote: >> hopefully somoene will investigate. Pretty tough to investigate the >> NSA though. You pretty much have to be Congress I thi

Re: Time: Palin "Shockingly Amateurish"

I think I would find it kind of intimidating to have the governor's spouse in the governor's office making phone calls to people about me. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > blah blah blah. Is this really a national publication? What a pitiful excuse > for a

Re: Goodwin Completes The Link

You mean if Obama is elected? There is plenty of time yet... On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:35 PM, Dana wrote: > I see striking. I also see a very very big IF in that sentence. > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most imp

Re: Goodwin Completes The Link

I see striking. I also see a very very big IF in that sentence. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Um, if that no means that Obama didn't talk about invading Pakistan, I'm > sorry to say that he did say so. > "Democratic presidential candidate Barack > O

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

Even then I'd imagine it would be difficult at best. Dana wrote: > hopefully somoene will investigate. Pretty tough to investigate the > NSA though. You pretty much have to be Congress I think. > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Ok, heres the problem. >> >

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

If they were told the rules had changed it's not on them. The question is who was the first person in a position of authority to decide the rules had changed. Thats the guy that should get nailed. Robert Munn wrote: > So they broke the rules and should be punished. Easy enough. > > On Sat, Oc

Re: Time: Palin "Shockingly Amateurish"

blah blah blah. Is this really a national publication? What a pitiful excuse for a magazine. As I noted, the only thing in the entire 269 page report that they could find to criticize Sarah Palin about was Todd's use of the conference table. That's it. And you have yet to respond to the note I po

Re: Starting To Get Scared

Yes, absolutely, there are crazies out there. Just as likely there could be someone right now listening to the dems speak of the evils of the left, and looking at their foreclosure notice and thinking the same thing. Dana wrote: > Really? You sure? I am coming off of 12 hours of news footage a

Re: Goodwin Completes The Link

Um, if that no means that Obama didn't talk about invading Pakistan, I'm sorry to say that he did say so. "Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obamaissued a pointed warning yesterday to Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, saying t

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

hopefully somoene will investigate. Pretty tough to investigate the NSA though. You pretty much have to be Congress I think. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 8:28 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ok, heres the problem. > > Later in the story they interview two other people that worked at the > same

Re: Iraq is on it's way to a stable democracy

So the guys on the ground are lying too? There are obviously still some problems on the ground, and likely will be some level of violence for years to come. Thing is we are quickly reaching the level where the violence is controllable, and where the Iraqis are going to be the ones out in the s

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

nice try. show a link to an actual reputable source that backs up your claim. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:34 PM, Gruss wrote: > > Thus one of McCain's major benefactors - and delegates - was and is a > supported of domestic terrorism. > ~~

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

So they broke the rules and should be punished. Easy enough. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Dana wrote: > more to the point though -- this is the program where if it was > americans they were just going to hang up. > ~| Adob

Re: Iraq is on it's way to a stable democracy

This is not a Republican issue as no one in America is willing to recognize that Islamists have been forcing conversion and basically running ramped across the middle east and beyond. Will the Democrats do anything about it. No F'in way. Will the Libertarians? Greens? Communists? Marijuana party? N

Re: Iraq is on it's way to a stable democracy

Since you all clearly have no grasp on history, I will remind you that we spent several years fighting for our independence in the US. We spent another few years fighting the same enemy about 30 years later. Then we spent five years cutting each other up in a civil war. Let's be real. You want an

Re: Starting To Get Scared

Really? You sure? I am coming off of 12 hours of news footage at work and some of the stuff is pretty damn ugly. The little old lady that said you can't trust Obama because he is an Ay-rab is probably harmless, but all of this is feeding into somebody's brain somewhere, I guarantee you, somebody wh

Re: Starting To Get Scared

Not my claim as I know that there have been successful terror attacks in America and have been downplayed into everything other than being a terrorist attack. On the other hand, there have been real terror prevention on the local level but unless your associated with someone 'on the inside' you'll

Re: Iraq is on it's way to a stable democracy

They aren't "seeing" anything because they have no buy-in on reality. They're just parroting that they are told by the leaders they are so enamored with, usually through the medium of talk radio. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just don't see what

Re: Iraq is on it's way to a stable democracy

/me shakes her head and walks away I just don't know. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > or not > > At least 900 Christian families have fled Mosul in the past week, > terrified by a series of killings and threats by Muslim extremists > ordering

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

fair enough, thanks for reading it. Dana On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:43 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah, I agree and have a problem with this. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic rele

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

Yeah, I agree and have a problem with this. Dana wrote: > more to the point though -- this is the program where if it was > americans they were just going to hang up. > > Right. There's not even any joy in saying I told you so. > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: new flash - media in the tank for Obama

hmm I have to look up domestic terrorist to see if it includes perceived self-defense. I might one day have to defend myself for speaking to you :) On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the ATF comes after me it's very different than me going to the > police depar

Re: Starting To Get Scared

Now who is being silly, they don't mean it literally. Dana wrote: > Tim. People at McCain rallies are shouting "kill him!" and McCain is > the anti-terror guy? Law and order all the way, thst's our boy. > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Now I have to disagr

Re: Starting To Get Scared

Other than the one to the abortion bomber what? Gruss Gott wrote: >> tBone wrote: >> Now I have to disagree with you. >> >> McCain did this once, probably at a fund raiser. >> >> Obama basically worked with the other guy. >> > > Ayers has spent the last 30 years serving his country and both Aye

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

more to the point though -- this is the program where if it was americans they were just going to hang up. Right. There's not even any joy in saying I told you so. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > well it was. Red Cross workers, journalists. sigh. Let me find

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

well it was. Red Cross workers, journalists. sigh. Let me find another link since you apparently didn't read the one.I posted earlier. http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/10/kinne.html On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:28 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have to ask, what phones are we tal

Re: new flash - media in the tank for Obama

If the ATF comes after me it's very different than me going to the police department or the pentagon and setting a bomb. I don't support what McVeigh did. I wouldn't support anyone that INITIATES violence. If you aren't doing anything wrong and the cops come after you, local or federal, and t

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

> RoMunn wrote: > Gruss is dissembling here. McCain gave a keynote to an anti-abortion group. > That's the extent of the connection. > * He keynoted the event after being warned not too and after being told what they represented by his friend, a Senator from Oregon. * He sat by and watched as the

Re: Starting To Get Scared

I am sorry Robert, I just don't have enough bandwidth.I am trying to say this nicely. You really don't seem very rooted in reality at the moment. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:16 PM, denstar wrote: > >> >> Repeating things he a

Re: Starting To Get Scared

Tim. People at McCain rallies are shouting "kill him!" and McCain is the anti-terror guy? Law and order all the way, thst's our boy. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:48 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now I have to disagree with you. > > McCain did this once, probably at a fund raiser. > > Obama

Re: Starting To Get Scared

> tBone wrote: > Now I have to disagree with you. > > McCain did this once, probably at a fund raiser. > > Obama basically worked with the other guy. > Ayers has spent the last 30 years serving his country and both Ayers and Obama "worked" for Amb Annenberg the founder and funder of the board on w

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

I have to ask, what phones are we talking about? The phones provided by MWR (moral welfare and recreation) are government phones, the rooms have big signs saying you will be listened in on, the computers have pop ups that inform you that all activity is monitored. If you are talking about priva

Re: new flash - media in the tank for Obama

Tim, listen to yourself. Seriously. I don't think you mean what you are saying and you are saying it *in the very same thread* where you call Ayers a terrorist. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on

Re: obama palling around with terrorists, says Palin

you sure? Seems they have been listening to phone sex between service men and their wives. I don't know how you condone this stuff. I really don't. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The joke started with me telling Sam the PC police were coming to get him. >

Re: oh great - more spending

I'm not a Bushy. We lived off the grid for the first couple of years we were married before we went in the Army (wifey was a mechanic). Rented a place in Lincolnville ME. I miss it so much, the only reason I won't to it right now today is because of my kids. Maureen wrote: > They ignore that

Time: Palin "Shockingly Amateurish"

Oh Lordy, this lady is a bafoon. -- the Branchflower report still makes for good reading, if only because it convincingly answers a question nobody had even thought to ask: Is the Palin administration shockingly amateurish? Yes, it is. Disturbingly so. Another amateurish sign: Todd Palin's out

Re: oh great - more spending

They ignore that part. Especially Bush. IMO, he's the worst enemy the constitution has ever had. I moved to the mountains once, planning to go entirely off the grid. The happiest I've ever been. But it didn't work out. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What ha

Re: oh great - more spending

What happened to "..to protect the constitution from all enemies, foreign and doemstic"? I swear I'm ready to move to the mountains and work under the table. Maureen wrote: > I freely admit that most of the people currently involved in > government have no concern for the constitution, especiall

Re: McCain's Questionable Associations

So,in terms of spewing hate, OCA sounds a lot like Trinity United Church of Christ. The Bible thumping crowd responsible for this kind of behavior are hypocrites. And what they did was probably the least Christian thing one can do. You know waht scares me most? The far left AND the far right.

Re: oh great - more spending

I freely admit that most of the people currently involved in government have no concern for the constitution, especially George Bush, who referred to as "just a piece of paper". I've been ready for revolt for years, perhaps as long ago as 1968. But you can bet if we say that loudly, we'll be labe

Re: oh great - more spending

So then you freely admit that we are outside the constitution in terms of government now? Then according to the supposed standards we live by doesn't that mean it is time for revolt? Maureen wrote: > I think the nation of today is beyond anything the founders could have > conceived, and their o

Iraq is on it's way to a stable democracy

or not At least 900 Christian families have fled Mosul in the past week, terrified by a series of killings and threats by Muslim extremists ordering them to convert to Islam or face possible death, officials said Saturday. http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.violence/index.html?ire

Re: oh great - more spending

I think the nation of today is beyond anything the founders could have conceived, and their opinions, much like the Bible, are only quoted for the convenience when the speaker is at a lost for empirical evidence with which to prove a point. The government, for generations, has taken our money and

Re: New York Times - The Mask Slips, who you vote for matters.

What else is Bob Herbert going to say? :-) On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:50 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > By BOB HERBERT > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://a

Re: Palin: "abused powers of office"

No, actually it doesn't. I've read the report, at least the first hundred pages or so that deal with the findings and relevant evidence. Sarah asked Monegan about Wooten once and that's it. Todd pursued the complaints, as is his right as a citizen of the United States to have a redress of grievance

Re: oh great - more spending

Additionally income taxes originally weren't even talking about wages, it was more along the lines of earned income (investment). Wages and income did not become synonymous until 1916 (I think, when the amendment was passed, 1st world war). Wages were considered separate and the court threw ou

Re: oh great - more spending

You are correct I am speaking of income taxes, and I will endeavor to be more specific in the future. BTW, I'm only speaking of federal programs. I'm not against state and local level programs of this nature. Judah McAuley wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Re: oh great - more spending

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:48 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So you think the founding fathers supported welfare, unemployment, and > other social programs? These men that didn't support ANY level of > taxation on wages? You do realize that we didn't have taxes for almost > 150 years righ

Re: oh great - more spending

“ [T]he [General Welfare] clause confers a power separate and distinct from those later enumerated, is not restricted in meaning by the grant of them, and Congress consequently has a substantive power to tax and to appropriate, limited only by the requirement that it shall be exercised to

Re: oh great - more spending

Of all the limitations upon the power to tax and spend, the General Welfare clause appears to have achieved notoriety as the most contentious. The dispute over the clause arises from the disagreement over what exactly is meant by the phrase "general welfare." The two primary authors of the Fede

Re: oh great - more spending

Cut everything not mentioned by name in the constitution. Judah McAuley wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Judah wrote: >> Are we just supposed to say "Fuck the poor!"? >> >> >> lol, that just reminded me of Mel Bro

Re: oh great - more spending

The welfare of the state clause has been used over and over to increase the size and scope of government far beyond what was intended by the phrase. Can you honestly tell me, that the way this nation is today is what the founders intended? You know that article 1 section is is considered by mos

Re: oh great - more spending

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Judah wrote: > Are we just supposed to say "Fuck the poor!"? > > > lol, that just reminded me of Mel Brooks. I do that a lot. I've really really been hoping that Obama would pull out a momen

Re: oh great - more spending

Article 1, Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; Congress passe

New York Times - The Mask Slips, who you vote for matters.

The New York Times Op-Ed Columnist The Mask Slips By BOB HERBERT Published: October 10, 2008 The lesson for Americans suffused with anxiety and dread over the crackup of the financial markets is that the way you vote matters, that there are real-world consequences when you go into a voting booth

Re: oh great - more spending

And there is certainly something to be said for that view. Vivec wrote: > That is what America was built upon. > Self Reliance and individualism. > > If you can't make it in that society then yes, f*** you, > just die and leave the land to those that deserve it. > > > 2008/10/11 Judah McAuley <

Re: oh great - more spending

Roads and sewers aren't generally handled by the federal government, other than in the case of interstate highways. While I do not like the way that the interstate money has been used like a club by the federal government against the states, I do see both from an interstate commerce and a natio

Re: Palin: "abused powers of office"

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Re: another security hole - "clickjacking" - allows access to your web cam and mic

I never leave a webcam or mic connected to my PC anymore. I read a long time ago that you can do just about anything via Windows on someone else's computer :) 2008/10/11 Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > So how long will it take for one of these hacks to show up on YouTube? ~

Re: oh great - more spending

That is what America was built upon. Self Reliance and individualism. If you can't make it in that society then yes, f*** you, just die and leave the land to those that deserve it. 2008/10/11 Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Are we just supposed to say "Fuck the poor!"? ~~

Re: oh great - more spending

On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > oh and no I'm not saying fuck the poor. I'm saying fuck government > helping the poor. Everything the government touches is more expensive, > and less productive than it's private counter part. > This is patently false and dogm

Re: oh great - more spending

Where is job creation enumerated as a power of congress? Food stamps? Robert Munn wrote: > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Judah wrote: > >> I'm not keen on further debt either. But I don't get how extending >> unemployment benefits and money for food stamps is unconstitutional or >> why we wo

Re: oh great - more spending

yeah that makes sense. >> >> I wish I could spend the way a country does. >> >> So what do they foreclose on when they country defaults on it's loans? >> >> Robert Munn wrote: >>> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081011/D93OF83O0.html >>> >

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; Ok, yeah that makes sense. >> >> I wish I could spend the way a country does. >> >> So what do they foreclose on when they country defaults on it's loans? >> >> Robert Munn wrote: >>> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081011/D93OF83O0.html >>

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On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Judah wrote: > I'm not keen on further debt either. But I don't get how extending > unemployment benefits and money for food stamps is unconstitutional or > why we wouldn't need them. It's not unconstitutional, but it is a bad idea. We need to be helping busines

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to borrow this money, with interest. > > Then we're going to give a tax rebate? > > Ok, yeah that makes sense. > > I wish I could spend the way a country does. > > So what do they foreclose on when they country defaults on it's loans? > > Robert Munn wrote: >

Re: Palin: "abused powers of office"

Umm...Robert, you've wandered into lunatic fringe land here. The investigation was launched by a unanimous legislative committee. The Alaska state congress is Republican dominated. The inpendent investigator was hired by the joint committee. Palin originally said she supported the investigation. A

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we're going to give a tax rebate? Ok, yeah that makes sense. I wish I could spend the way a country does. So what do they foreclose on when they country defaults on it's loans? Robert Munn wrote: > http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081011/D93OF83O0.html > > After consulting wit

Re: The culpability of Greenspan and others in the financial crisis

> RoMunn wrote: > Nice summary, that's the most straight-forward explanation I have heard so > far. > But I think it only explains less than 2% of the problem. As I pointed out, the entire sub-prime market is - at most - $1T. And only of fraction of that is defaulting. Further, MBSs have been a

oh great - more spending

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081011/D93OF83O0.html After consulting with Barack Obama, Democratic leaders are likely to call Congress back to work after the election in hopes of passing legislation that would include extended jobless benefits, money for food stamps and possibly a tax rebate

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