Re: Iran

2012-01-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
it wouldn't be the first time that the country dumped itself into debt over an unnecessary war. The US has had a habit of doing such since 1812. On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 7:02 PM, PT cft...@gmail.com wrote: And who is going to pay for another conflict? Dammit congress, you and your war

Re: Iran

2012-01-20 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: it wouldn't be the first time that the country dumped itself into debt over an unnecessary war. The US has had a habit of doing such since 1812. We have taxes because of wars... If Corporations want to continue to

Re: Iran

2012-01-20 Thread Sam
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/01/19/bush_s_cia_director_we_determined_attacking_iran_was_a_bad_idea Looks like the Bush team ruled against it. Seems like what Hayden is saying should still be confidential. It's not so much that we don't want Iran to have a nuclear capacity, it's

FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71720.html Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA By: Jennifer Martinez January 20, 2012 09:40 AM EST Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has postponed a procedural vote scheduled for Tuesday on the PROTECT IP Act, although he held out a glimmer of hope for

Re: Iran

2012-01-20 Thread GMoney
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:14 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/01/19/bush_s_cia_director_we_determined_attacking_iran_was_a_bad_idea Looks like the Bush team ruled against it. Seems like what Hayden is saying should still be confidential.

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread GMoney
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71720.html Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA By: Jennifer Martinez January 20, 2012 09:40 AM EST Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid has postponed a procedural vote

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 7:19 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think we should necessarily be pissed about a different form of this bill eventually coming up for a vote. ANyone who's ever had their shit stolen online would appreciate some sort of legislation centered around a

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread GMoney
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.comwrote: Stealing is already illegal and groups that do large scale stealing and dispersal of illegally obtained software and content are already being prosecuted. See yesterday's bust of MegaUpload as an example. DMCA is way

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread PT
Control. The legally expanded ability to sue a competitor into oblivion is no small thing. Also, prosecuting someone like the megaupload guys is a hassle. There is extradition and all sorts of red tape. Who wants to go through that annoying due process thing? It's easier just to flip a

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Cameron Childress
These laws effectively switch innocent till proven guilty to guilty till proven innocent for intelectual property. Why WOULDN'T the media companies want this? They see their relevance slipping away due to the internet and they are attacking it - plain as that. -Cameron On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:39 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: If they are already being prosecuted.why was this law introduced? Someone must still be getting ripped off big time? The RIAA? You presume that someone has to be getting injured in order to justify a naked power grab?

RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Judah McAuley
Etta James passed away today. It wasn't unexpected as she'd had failing health for awhile. Still sucks though. She had a Aretha-type voice that was an amazing physical presence that just shakes right through you, even late in life. But what I'll really miss about her is her personality and stage

Re: Iran

2012-01-20 Thread Dana
there's an interesting idea On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 5:38 AM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: it wouldn't be the first time that the country dumped itself into

Re: RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Dana
Meanwhile: http://www.infoworld.com/t/cyber-crime/megaupload-rises-again-anonymous-knocks-out-sopa-supporters-sites-184605?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_2012-01-20 On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Etta James passed away today. It wasn't unexpected as she'd

Re: RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
How on earth was that a worthwhile reply to the above post? Judah, thanks for the reminder. I think it is a day for the jazz singers to rule my playlists. Jerry Milo Johnson On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: Meanwhile:

Re: RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Dana
whoa, wrong thread. Sorry Judah. I second the comments, though. I saw one of her concerts on one of those late-night public television specials and was amazed ;) and I don't amaze easily. She definitely was talking about sex and having plenty of fun having it, and never mind her age ;) Gave me

Re: RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Dana
it wasn't. Posted to the wrong thread, as I just said in a post that crossed yours. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.comwrote: How on earth was that a worthwhile reply to the above post? Judah, thanks for the reminder. I think it is a day for the jazz singers

Re: RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
wow! we were just listening to her a few days back. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Etta James passed away today. It wasn't unexpected as she'd had failing health for awhile. Still sucks though. She had a Aretha-type voice that was an amazing

Re: A tale of Romney

2012-01-20 Thread Dana
it was publicly traded as I understand it On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote: You win some you lose some. It was Bains company to do with what they wanted. Would it have lasted on its own without them? Why was it sold to them? On Jan 19, 2012, at

Re: RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Vivec
sadness :( ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:345599

Re: RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.comwrote: Anyway, if you're in the mood for some soul today, give Etta a listen. And if you can do it with a smoldering sexy someone special, all the better. Sarah Burke (Freeskier) died today and it's also 9 years after the

Re: A tale of Romney

2012-01-20 Thread Gruss Gott
My only point would be that the shareholders decided to take it private - which is usually either because they're in big trouble or they collectively decide its time to cash out and take profits. Either way, it was the shareholders call to sell. If Bain bought and sold for profit then they

Re: RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Judah McAuley
Yeah, I was bummed to hear about Sarah Burke, she was pretty wicked the couple times I've seen her compete. I'm not familiar with Craig Kelly though, what kind of boarding did he compete in? Judah On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions

Re: RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Medic
Etta James passed away today. At last. ;) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive:

Re: RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: Etta James passed away today. At last. ;) She was sick for quite some time. I'm glad that that difficult portion of her life is over. And, yes, I know you were trying to be snarky, but the best way to deal with sarcasm is to

Re: RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Ray Champagne
This might have been the fastest joke to circulate the Facebooks ever. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: Etta James passed away today. At last. ;) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion

RE: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Actually, megaupload was busted and the webmaster arrested and put in jail because a USER had illegal files. They were already complying with an order to remove illegal files. Eric -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012

Re: RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Medic
I got it from Twttr. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Ray Champagne r...@raychampagne.com wrote: This might have been the fastest joke to circulate the Facebooks ever. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: Etta James passed away today. At last. ;)

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Maureen
More like multiple USERS had illegal files, and if in fact the owners are not guilty of facilitating the distribution of copyrighted materials, they will not be convicted. That is why I keep harping on due process and innocent until proven guilty, neither of which were included in SOPA or PIPA.

Re: RIP Etta James

2012-01-20 Thread Maureen
My sis was working for the Associated Press when Challenger exploded. She said jokes about it were coming down the AP Wire before the debris stopped falling. Sometimes laughter really is the best medicine. My favorite moment from Dan's memorial was when his best friend of many years said that

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Vivec
Will they be be able to SUE the US Government for their massive losses now that their site is down? It's utter nonsense. I don't know why any of these companies would host in the US anymore. If I had a similar business, I wouldn't. That includes YouTube, Vimeo etc.

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Judah McAuley
In the case of a site like Megaupload, the site is hosting the files. It isn't like a forum where they just host message and links to things. Megaupload is genuinely distributing the material. The question is whether they had reason to know about all the illegal material they were distributing on

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Dana
Dajaz1.com...and the answer is no. http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57339569-281/dhs-abruptly-abandons-copyright-seizure-of-hip-hop-blog/ On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Will they be be able to SUE the US Government for their massive losses now that their

Re: A tale of Romney

2012-01-20 Thread Dana
I am not here to argue the point. I dislike Romney but at least he is sane, unlike most of his opponents. Just pointing out that some people question his narrative. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote: My only point would be that the shareholders decided to

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Maureen
Pretty sure they weren't in the US. New Zealand, I think. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Will they be be able to SUE the US Government for their massive losses now that their site is down? It's utter nonsense. I don't know why any of these companies would

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Dana
so.why is the FBI involved? On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: Pretty sure they weren't in the US. New Zealand, I think. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Will they be be able to SUE the US Government for their

Re: FW: Reid cancels procedural vote on PIPA

2012-01-20 Thread Dana
further info: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/court-refuses-give-seized-domain-name-back-claims Note: this site was legal in Spain, where it operated. Dajaz1.com was legal the entire time the US government had it out of business. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Dana