Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Gruss Gott
Ok, so you all realize that economic policy really hasn't changed in 20 years no matter what party runs what right? None of these candidates represent anything other than the statu quo. I just gotta laugh that people perceive a difference on anything between Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama or Romney.

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Larry C. Lyons
seems reality was skewed that way too. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Sam wrote: > > The polls were skewed to Dems +6%. With the economy in shambles, > unemployment too high and Obama having no plan for a second term, the > thinking was the dems would not come out in force. But they did the >

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Gruss Gott
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:26 AM, Sam wrote: > > They got the married female vote but didn't get the single mom vote. > Can you guess why? > Because married women whose husbands voted R lie about who they actually voted for? ~|

Re: Oops....

2012-11-08 Thread Larry C. Lyons
get sold to companies that then resell them in the third world. A buddy of mine is with the State department in Africa. He sent me a few photos about 6 years ago showing all these people buying these John Kerry t-shirts in Uganda. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solut

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Barnes
"93% of black voters voted for Obama." 96% of black voters supported him in 2008. 39% of whites voted for Obama. He carried 43% of the white vote in 2008. While both seem low, the 43% ties Bill Clinton's take of white voters. Jimmy Carter is the only Democrat in recent history to top that wit

Re: Why do I do this to myself?

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Barnes
"What the fuck does 'almost exactly similar' even mean?" Along with so many other things, the art of speaking and writing are dying. Read the prose of Charles Dickens and compare it the popular writers of the day. You'll feel dirty after reading modern prose. Read some of the letters written b

Re: Oops....

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
depends on who prints them. I have bought some on the streets of boston outside events immediately after losing bids. 2 bucks for a decent tshirt or hat. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > What happens to all the c

Re: Oops....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
They are typically sent to poor countries. Like the '19-0' shirts from 2007 http://blog.epromos.com/images/super-bowl-shirts-patriots-19-0.jpg On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > What happens to all the championshi

Re: Oops....

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Barnes
"What happens to all the championship t-shirts, hats and stuff that get printed for the loosing teams?" The "loosing" team probably gives them to the salvation army or goodwill. Or they hide them with all of the Atari 2600 ET cartridges. J - Every immigrant who comes here should be required w

Re: Oops....

2012-11-08 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
What happens to all the championship t-shirts, hats and stuff that get printed for the loosing teams? On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > You mean like this one: > > http://emergingcritic.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/34569547.jpg > ~~

Re: FW: Pat Robertson funny

2012-11-08 Thread GMoney
Replace "Christian" with "Muslim", and replace references to Liberals with "America", and you would have the outline for a speech that a Taliban or Al Qaeda official might be giving a would-be suicide bomber. Seriously, look at how spooky this is: "Just like what the Americans did to the Palestin

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Larry C. Lyons
No Scott I was referring to the extremist wing who had taken over the party in 1990's, not the entire political party. I would prefer and could support the fiscally conservative, socially moderate Republican party of Dole, Bush I and others. I could never support the Know Nothing wing that had tak

Re: Oops....

2012-11-08 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You mean like this one: http://emergingcritic.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/34569547.jpg On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Not meant as political commentary > > Who here has never pushed something to production that should not be there? > > http://gizmodo.com/5958827/rom

FW: Pat Robertson funny

2012-11-08 Thread Larry C. Lyons
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Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Barnes
"He may not represent all of them, but I think he presents more of them than Gov. Romney." Just out of curiosity, and don't feel obligated to answer, in what ways does Obama represent the following Limited Government Liberty Equal application of rule of law. Equality of opportunity better than

Re: Thursday Funny

2012-11-08 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Bruce you owe me a new monitor. I sprayed coffee on this one. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > > So I am working up in the tower on a range today and I can hear through the > window a drill sergeant yelling to a private "You pissed yourself? How the > hell you piss yourse

Re: Food for thought for the GOP

2012-11-08 Thread Larry C. Lyons
interesting blog piece. I agree with most of it. One example of the current republican party approach that is very telling is to consider this, in the 1970's almost 2/3rds of all scientists were Republicans. Now its less than 6%. Most of the scientists interviewed for the last AAAS survey of this

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
They got the married female vote but didn't get the single mom vote. Can you guess why? . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I would say the republican party is out of touch. They relied on getting > the white evangelical male vote to carry them and didn't count on the > n

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
That's not true, Jerry posted the numbers. . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Conservatives hardly stayed home...both liberal and conservative pundits > were saying that voters on the right were really fired up. Obama won the > popular vote by around or less than a milli

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
12% decided the week of. Most searches on google last week, who's running for president. 1st and second debate the state polls had a spike. Nate's didn't. The third debate, Romney didn't mind that Obama let Americans get murdered in Libya and said he would be the same as Obama on foreign policy. S

Re: Food for thought for the GOP

2012-11-08 Thread Larry C. Lyons
like the blog name. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > We can probably predict (with frightening accuracy) how some on this list > will respond to this, but I thought it was an interesting read. > > This kind of goes along with some comments made in various threads - most > n

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
He may not represent all of them, but I think he presents more of them than Gov. Romney. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Sam wrote: > > No, I mean that's pretty much the opposite of what Obama represents. > > . > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > You mean, why didn'

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Barnes
"No, I mean that's pretty much the opposite of what Obama represents." In terms of these things, both candidates wouldn't be big defenders. I would agree with you that Romney would be better at defending them than Obama, but neither is great. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other t

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
No, I mean that's pretty much the opposite of what Obama represents. . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > You mean, why didn't I vote for Romney? Mainly because he does not > represent those principles, in my opinion. > >

FW: The Loser One! Donald Trump Calls For ‘Revolut ion’ And ‘March On Washington’ Over ‘Phoney’ Obama Victory | Me

2012-11-08 Thread Larry C. Lyons
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Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Please Sam...must you keep regurgitating the same party line bullshit? On Nov 8, 2012 9:03 AM, "Sam" wrote: > > The poor, the unions and the minorities voted for free stuff, the > workers stayed home. > > Funny how minorities vote for the Black guy and that's good but if a > white guy doesn;t, h

Re: Thursday Funny

2012-11-08 Thread Eric Roberts
ROFLMAO!!! On Nov 8, 2012 9:20 AM, "Bruce Sorge" wrote: > > So I am working up in the tower on a range today and I can hear through > the window a drill sergeant yelling to a private "You pissed yourself? How > the hell you piss yourself"? I laughed. > > Sent from my iPhone 4S. > > ~~~

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Eric Roberts
I would say the republican party is out of touch. They relied on getting the white evangelical male vote to carry them and didn't count on the non-evangelical/non-affiliated vote being so high. They also really discounted the female vote on female health and other feminine issues. They have alwa

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Eric Roberts
He predicted the republican sweep in 2010...so his stats haven't been skewed. On Nov 8, 2012 9:09 AM, "GMoney" wrote: > > I guess the answer i'm looking for is: When does luck end, and competence > begin? > > Is it only when he correctly predicts a win for one of your guys? > > > On Thu, Nov 8,

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Most pundits on both sides...dans the folks just spouting party line bullshit agree that Sandy had little to no effect. On Nov 8, 2012 9:05 AM, "Sam" wrote: > > They were in line with the State polls, same as Nate, but when the > storm took politics off the news and Obama's Katrina was reported

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Eric Roberts
While I agree to an extent G...is that race or just agreeing with policy/ realizing that the other guy really sucked badly? On Nov 8, 2012 9:03 AM, "Sam" wrote: > > The poor, the unions and the minorities voted for free stuff, the > workers stayed home. > > Funny how minorities vote for the Blac

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Unsqewedpolls.com is apparently (from what I have been hearing and reading), is a right leaning site that takes data and skews it quite a bit, despite its name. I haven't checked the site personally... that is just what I heard in reference to discussions about Nate Silver. Please excuse any hor

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Eric Roberts
He got the 2008, 2010, and 2013 election almost exact. He was spot on for this one, getting the electoral exactly. His methodology appears to be pretty precise. On Nov 8, 2012 8:21 AM, "GMoney" wrote: > > Just thought I'd revisit this: > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Sam wrote: > > > >

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Eric Roberts
I would say genius. As stated earlier... this is the third election he got right and in all three, they were either spot on or really close...within the difference of a state's electoral votes. On Nov 8, 2012 8:46 AM, "Sam" wrote: > > Nate used the individual states polls and this time they wer

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Eric Roberts
Conservatives hardly stayed home...both liberal and conservative pundits were saying that voters on the right were really fired up. Obama won the popular vote by around or less than a million votes (without doing the math). That hardly showing either side stayed home. I think voters came out in

Re: Voting machine mis calibration? Or fraud?

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Barnes
"If you think Romney and Fox News are leftist, your views must be somewhere to the right of Darth Vader." Romney is a self professed Progressive. Murdoch was known as Rupert the Red in college. The red wasn't for Republican, but for socialism. Fox has a job. It is to steer "conservatives" to

Re: Hey Republicans, listen to this guy!

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
I also enjoyed this in the comments: "Seems to me the GOP could stand a little less Sam Adams and a little more John Adams." On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:05 PM, GMoney wrote: > > http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83571.html > > My favorite snippet: > > “My wife’s a Democrat, and she was

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Then why did you vote against them?" Ehh. At this point, it's not even worth point out who voted for who. The problem is that the current generation, the last generation, and probably all future generations don't even know the concepts on the list exist. They don't know what "limited governme

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
You mean, why didn't I vote for Romney? Mainly because he does not represent those principles, in my opinion. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Sam wrote: > > Then why did you vote against them? > > . > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > >> Limited Government > >> Libe

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
Then why did you vote against them? . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> Limited Government >> Liberty >> Equal application of rule of law. >> Equality of opportunity >> >> > Those are principles I can get behind. ~~

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Barnes
"True to some extentthe Tea Party took a whoopin'as they deserved." Did the tea party take a whoopin'? Can you back that up without *anecdotal* evidence. How many congressmen known as tea party affiliates lose? Is that rate higher than non-tea party congressmen? Interesting numbers f

Re: Hey Republicans, listen to this guy!

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
Meanwhile people voted for Biden. Go figure. . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > The GOP has been told this for years. They continue to let idiots like > Akin get nominated and then throw support behind them (I am talking about > before Akin stuck his foot in his mouth).

Re: Hey Republicans, listen to this guy!

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
My dad mostly vote R for president. This year he told me he doesn't like Obama but voted for him because Romney is a corporate crook that is looking to get his business buddies wealthier at out expense., He said he saw it on the evening news so it's true. I guess I'm going to have to start checki

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > > > "What are these conservative, constitutional principles on which America > was built, in your view?" > > In my view: > > Limited Government > Liberty > Equal application of rule of law. > Equality of opportunity > > Those are principles

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Jerryuhh...what are these moral values that Romney's campaign embodied that were for the good of America?" "Perhaps I was observing a different Romney campaign, but it's better to hear what you mean instead of speculating." What in the hell are talking about. Are you confusing me with som

Re: Hey Republicans, listen to this guy!

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Barnes
"“We have the right message on the finances,” he continued, but added, “We have to get out of people’s lives, get out of people’s bedrooms, and we have to be a national party…or else we’re going to lose.” The GOP has been told this for years. They continue to let idiots like Akin get nominated

Hey Republicans, listen to this guy!

2012-11-08 Thread GMoney
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83571.html My favorite snippet: “My wife’s a Democrat, and she was so close to voting for Mitt Romney,” he said. “But then, you know, Mourdock and Akin opened their mouth, and we sent [voters] running back to the Democratic Party, because they think we’r

Re: Oops....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
WowI had not seen that one before. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Sam wrote: > > Remember this one? > > http://www.darryl.com/guilty.html > > . > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > Not meant as political commentary > > > > Who here has never pushed somethi

Re: Oops....

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
Remember this one? http://www.darryl.com/guilty.html . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Not meant as political commentary > > Who here has never pushed something to production that should not be there? > > http://gizmodo.com/5958827/romney-staffers-publish-sad-victor

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
The latter will likely have a better effect. Otherwise, they might be accused of trying to cover something up. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Sam wrote: > > Should they take out an ad saying he doesn't represent them or should > we just start talking football? > > . > > On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 a

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
I did not mean to imply there was something you specifically can do. I think is more a conversation between the RNC and Trump. :D On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Sam wrote: > > I hear you but not sure what you want me to do. I'm sure his lawyers > explained that he might run amiss of some law

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
Should they take out an ad saying he doesn't represent them or should we just start talking football? . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > He may not have been an 'official' face of the republican party, but to > some he may have been perceived that way. And perception is k

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
I hear you but not sure what you want me to do. I'm sure his lawyers explained that he might run amiss of some laws and so he deleted the post. Done. . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > It was not just 'one lonely white guy' - it was Donald Trump, a guy who has > 1.8 mill

Oops....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
Not meant as political commentary Who here has never pushed something to production that should not be there? http://gizmodo.com/5958827/romney-staffers-publish-sad-victory-website-by-mistake -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
He may not have been an 'official' face of the republican party, but to some he may have been perceived that way. And perception is key. If a voter thinks Trump represents the republican party and its ideals, and they don't like what he has to say...guess what? That is the republican party's prob

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
They sure did, and worse. Some were saying Romney should be assassinated should he win. I commented at the time that I really hope the Secret Service follows up on some of those, too. Would love to be a fly on the wall when they come knocking on some of those doors. It was not just 'one lonely wh

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
Most of the Hollywood idiots represent the Democrats but who cares? Trump is not a face of the R's but he really really wants to be. . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > In my opinion, Trump still has more influence due to his deep pockets and > his level of 'celebrity'. >

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Sam wrote: > > His name is Matthews. > Oops...my bad...and I did that a lot too Trump is a citizen that's allowed to say what he wants. If people > believe him, that's another problem. > Ditto on Matthews. Matthews is an idiot that MSNBC is pretending is

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
You do get the mysticism behind polling don't you? Or do you believe it's an exact science and Nate has the key? Again, he just parroted existing state polls, no magic. . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > I guess particle physicists got lucky with every single prediction ov

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
Didn't many Obama supporters threaten to riot if he lost? You found one looney white guy and that's where you complain? . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions wrote: > > Except he can't yell fire in a crowded building. Calling for a revolution > and then delet

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
WTF are you talking about? Obama made it about free condoms and nobody cared. Married woman voted Romney, single woman voted Obama. It's the freebees baby. . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Vivec wrote: > > This sh** right here is why they lost. > > The party's platform is simply not viable.

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
Except he can't yell fire in a crowded building. Calling for a revolution and then deleting the tweet, irresponsible as anything else he's said along the election path. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Sam wrote: > Trump is a citizen that's allowed to say what he wants. If people > believe him

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
Turn out was way down. . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > I read (dont have a link or any actual facts) that black voters have voted > for the DEMOCRATIC candidate 85%+ of the time in the last 7 elections. > > Regardless of the race of the candidate. > > If so, I d

Re: Food for thought for the GOP

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
I though you hated talking politics. . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > I greatly enjoyed this: > > "As noted, Romney’s plan to cut PBS was like deleting text files to clear > space on a gigabyte drive." > ~

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
His name is Matthews. Trump is a citizen that's allowed to say what he wants. If people believe him, that's another problem. Matthews is an idiot that MSNBC is pretending is a news anchor. That is intentionally fooling people. That is a bigger problem. Luckily nobody watches him but still. . On

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Vivec
This sh** right here is why they lost. The party's platform is simply not viable. They made it about women's rights, abortion, contraception. And they signed a mandate stating that next year they will oppose or seek to overturn many civil rights amendments, roe v wade etc. And women said f* that

Re: Thursday Funny

2012-11-08 Thread LRS Scout
Trying to get kicked out. On Nov 8, 2012 10:31 AM, "Vivec" wrote: > > In a situation like that..why would you say anything? > Say nothing and if someone asks..."I have an unusual sweat gland problem" > ... > lol > > > > On 8 November 2012 11:25, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > > Someone is working on

Re: Thursday Funny

2012-11-08 Thread Vivec
In a situation like that..why would you say anything? Say nothing and if someone asks..."I have an unusual sweat gland problem" ... lol On 8 November 2012 11:25, LRS Scout wrote: > > Someone is working on a chapter :) > On Nov 8, 2012 10:20 AM, "Bruce Sorge" wrote: > > > > > So I am working

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > food stamp crowd showed up in larger numbers than expected Don't forget the "slut vote" silly! http://gawker.com/5958728/fact+checking-the-slut-vote-with-the-christian-mens-defense-network "this election cycle shows that the Slut Vote is real, and Republicans lose because they d

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread LRS Scout
Good summary. On Nov 8, 2012 10:20 AM, "Scott Stewart" wrote: > > I'd call Johnson a pragmatic centrist, some of what he wanted to do was > fairly extreme, like a 43% cut in defense spending,, he clarified that > by stating that it would be in conjunction with the Joint Chiefs of > Staff, giving

Re: Thursday Funny

2012-11-08 Thread LRS Scout
Someone is working on a chapter :) On Nov 8, 2012 10:20 AM, "Bruce Sorge" wrote: > > So I am working up in the tower on a range today and I can hear through > the window a drill sergeant yelling to a private "You pissed yourself? How > the hell you piss yourself"? I laughed. > > Sent from my iPh

Re: Thursday Funny

2012-11-08 Thread LRS Scout
Bahahaha!!! On Nov 8, 2012 10:20 AM, "Bruce Sorge" wrote: > > So I am working up in the tower on a range today and I can hear through > the window a drill sergeant yelling to a private "You pissed yourself? How > the hell you piss yourself"? I laughed. > > Sent from my iPhone 4S. > > ~

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
I read (dont have a link or any actual facts) that black voters have voted for the DEMOCRATIC candidate 85%+ of the time in the last 7 elections. Regardless of the race of the candidate. If so, I don't see that statement as being true. What I DO expect the numbers will reflect is a greater-than

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stewart
I'd call Johnson a pragmatic centrist, some of what he wanted to do was fairly extreme, like a 43% cut in defense spending,, he clarified that by stating that it would be in conjunction with the Joint Chiefs of Staff, giving them what they needed to be effective and cutting out things that the

Thursday Funny

2012-11-08 Thread Bruce Sorge
So I am working up in the tower on a range today and I can hear through the window a drill sergeant yelling to a private "You pissed yourself? How the hell you piss yourself"? I laughed. Sent from my iPhone 4S. ~| Order the

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Gruss Gott
I guess particle physicists got lucky with every single prediction over the last century too... Einstein didn't believe "God plays dice" but i guess He does. The beauty of publishing a methodology is anybody can see your secret and prove it wrong. Of course this also reveals those who can't p

Re: Food for thought for the GOP

2012-11-08 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
I greatly enjoyed this: "As noted, Romney’s plan to cut PBS was like deleting text files to clear space on a gigabyte drive." On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Vivec wrote: > > This is actually an excellent piece. > > What happened is indicative of backward thinking by a group of people that >

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
Like I said about Rasmussen. No poll is always right, \they can't be. . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 10:09 AM, GMoney wrote: > > I guess the answer i'm looking for is: When does luck end, and competence > begin? > > Is it only when he correctly predicts a win for one of your guys? > > ~

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
Blacks, Single moms, Chinese, Latinos and food stamp recipients voted overwhelmingly Obama. On the Conservative side we had millions less than those that voted for McCain. It's not only about race but I hear a lot of whites and blacks saying the only reason someone didn't vote for Obama was beca

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread GMoney
I guess the answer i'm looking for is: When does luck end, and competence begin? Is it only when he correctly predicts a win for one of your guys? On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Sam wrote: > > What's the point? Are we to believe him as an Oracle from now on? > Rasmussen was the most accurate

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
What's the point? Are we to believe him as an Oracle from now on? Rasmussen was the most accurate pollster for years and they were the furthest from reality this go round. What answer are you looking for? . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:55 AM, GMoney wrote: > > I don't really know. I don't pretend

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
They were in line with the State polls, same as Nate, but when the storm took politics off the news and Obama's Katrina was reported as a success it all changed. Did you know FEMA in NY is closed do to weather? . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Vivec wrote: > > Sam, what about the Republican p

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread GMoney
93% of black voters voted for Obama. That is a staggering number. Any way you slice it, race still plays a big role in 21st century America. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Sam wrote: > > The poor, the unions and the minorities voted for free stuff, the > workers stayed home. > > Funny how m

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
The poor, the unions and the minorities voted for free stuff, the workers stayed home. Funny how minorities vote for the Black guy and that's good but if a white guy doesn;t, he's racist. Heard a lot of that yesterday. . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions w

Re: Food for thought for the GOP

2012-11-08 Thread Gruss Gott
Holy crap! That's the first link on politics on this list that I've read in totality in a long long time! Wow, that was really good. It seems like the definition of a good Republican over the last few years has been defined by how much you hate Obama, and that just can't be the principal on which

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
The polls were skewed to Dems +6%. With the economy in shambles, unemployment too high and Obama having no plan for a second term, the thinking was the dems would not come out in force. But they did the food stamp crowd showed up in larger numbers than expected and the conservatives stayed home.

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread GMoney
I don't really know. I don't pretend to be smart enough to understand that. You said he got lucky once, and now, apparently, he's gotten lucky a second time. I guess it's subjective as to when luck ends, and competence begins. On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Sam wrote: > > Nate used the indiv

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
All valid points, except that I think Trump has more influence than you give him credit for. I know people who parrot (and believe) what he says - thankfully, a small group. But Trump has kind of become the face of the 'Crazy GOP'. With Chris Williams and anyone else on MSNBC, you kind of have to

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Vivec
Sam, what about the Republican polls. Those were COMPLETELY incorrect bearing no resemblance to reality at all. I see you have chosen the route of rationalising. On 8 November 2012 10:46, Sam wrote: > > Nate used the individual states polls and this time they were all > right. Those polls had

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
Youths, Hispanics, Blacks and anyone of color by majority voted for Obama, So do you think it was luck or is the republican party out of reach with large percentage of our population? On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Sam wrote: > So do you think he's a genius rather than just a bit lucky?

Re: Food for thought for the GOP

2012-11-08 Thread Vivec
This is actually an excellent piece. What happened is indicative of backward thinking by a group of people that do not support scientific thinking and reasoning. The author mentions "Magical thinking" and I laughed,because that falls right in line with persons who exalt faith based beliefs above

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
Nate used the individual states polls and this time they were all right. Those polls had Romney spiking until Katrina, I mean Sandy, hit. So do you think he's a genius rather than just a bit lucky? . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:21 AM, GMoney wrote: > > Just thought I'd revisit this: > ~~

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
The difference is Trump is an ass with a shitty reality TV show, much like Snooky and taken as seriously. Chris Mathews is on MSNBC as a news commentator and host of a syndicated news program. Granted nobody watches MSNBC except his critics but still, Fox got rid of Beck. . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 a

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
You mean that when someone posts stats that the right do not like they just dismiss the facts and say it's liberal left leaning bias and go back to believing in nuts, nads and nothings? On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 9:21 AM, GMoney wrote: > > Just thought I'd revisit this: > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 a

Re: Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread Vivec
I remember someone saying that all the polls were skewed. I remember someone saying that they were polling democrats, and that was including a heavy bias in the polls. What was it? Unskewedpolls.com or something like that? Interested in hearing what those people have to say now, since "their" pol

Nate Silver

2012-11-08 Thread GMoney
Just thought I'd revisit this: > On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Sam wrote: > > He got one election right, that one was easy. We'll see how he does this time. So...here's how he did this time: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-nate-silver-polls-rasmussen-20121107,0,3329768.story --

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
Good point. However, I think there is a difference between Trump and Chris Williams. Trump is more mainstream. I think most 'normal Joes' would know who Trump is, but would not know Chris Williams if he walked up and bit them on the ass. I will admit, I had heard the name Chris Williams before,

Re: Food for thought for the GOP

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
Blocked . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > We can probably predict (with frightening accuracy) how some on this list > will respond to this, but I thought it was an interesting read. > > This kind of goes along with some comments made in various threads - most > notably by

Re: Final thoughts on the election....

2012-11-08 Thread Sam
He has access to a lot of Arab money, they just don't want to piss him off. Like the crazy uncle. So how about the Dems distancing themselves from Mathews and Maher and ...you get the idea. . On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I think the GOP needs to try and separate itsel

Food for thought for the GOP

2012-11-08 Thread Scott Stroz
We can probably predict (with frightening accuracy) how some on this list will respond to this, but I thought it was an interesting read. This kind of goes along with some comments made in various threads - most notably by Jerry Barnes. *http://*bit.ly/WFjOtM -- Scott Stroz --- Yo

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