Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
"This is NOT where to cut." Of course it's not where to cut. Besides, these cuts were not cuts, but cuts in the increase to budgets. That is, the Federal Budget is only supposed to increase by 2.4 TRILLION over the next 10 years instead of 2.5 TRILLION. H. Ten Billion per year. Awesome. O

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Sam
Please explain his deal and how the devil reneged. . On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Maureen wrote: > > He is taking a hit on the sequester because he hasn't learned - or had > not learned at the point he suggested it - that you never prosper when > you make a deal with the devil. The opposit

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Sam
The Dems had the House, Senate and Presidency and instead of a budget they passed Obamacare. It's total on him. The Republicans gave him a tax increases and he wanted more, still refusing to cut anything but insists on more taxes. . On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > > As muc

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Maureen
He is taking a hit on the sequester because he hasn't learned - or had not learned at the point he suggested it - that you never prosper when you make a deal with the devil. The opposition was never going to act in good faith to achieve any kind of reasonable budget reform. They would rather des

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Bruce Sorge
As much as I would LOVE to put all of this on Obama, I have to admit that he is not the sole perpetrator of this. His great idea of sequestration does have everything to do with this, but alas, again we have not had a budget in over 1000 days, so yeah, we can't only blame Obama. Sigh. On Mar

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Maureen
Probably one of the few budget items they could cut without stepping on the toes of a weapons manufacturer or lobbyist. If those impacted by this and their supporters make enough noise, something will happen. The right is already using this in their attack campaign on Obama. I've seen a lot of c

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Bruce Sorge
I am surprised at the low number. While I do not know the exact number, I would guess there are over 100,000 service members who are using this. Another story on Huffington Post talks about colleges stepping in to help. Ahh the power of the all might dollar. Glad to know that colleges are willi

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
TA could be funded 10 times over if 1 fewer F-35 was ordered. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > I signed that last week, and posted it to facebook, with a lot of my family > and friends also signing it. > > This is NOT where to cut. > > (of course, the military/fed g

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Bruce Sorge
Well the Secretaries of each of the branches that suspended the program made the decision, and I suspect it was not a decision made overnight. It was very shortly after sequestration kicked in, so this is something that had to have been in the works for a while. I am sure we will never know the

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Just looked. It had 14,000 more signatures than it needed. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > > So, myself along with over one hundred thousand service members have signed a > petition on We The People, a White House run site that allows citizens to > generate petitions. So

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Vivec
I would sign too...if I could *grin* :) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/me

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Dana
I had not noticed the petion but I'll make a point of signing and posting it. I agree with Jerry. That is s not the place to make cuts. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > > Well then my opening statement should read "over one hundred thousand > concerned citizens". > Th

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Maureen
If the goal is to preserve programs of value this is not where to cut. If the goal is to wake up the citizens and get them to apply pressure to resolve the budget issues, it is exactly where to cut. I suspect the latter is the true goal. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrot

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Bruce Sorge
Well then my opening statement should read "over one hundred thousand concerned citizens". Thank you and your family and friends for signing this. As a recipient of TA I am grateful for this. On the brighter side of this, I did apply for FSA and was approved for a Pell Grant and student loans

Re: Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
I signed that last week, and posted it to facebook, with a lot of my family and friends also signing it. This is NOT where to cut. (of course, the military/fed gov should strike a deal with universities to provide for veterans gratis, and save a lot of the "you give me money, I give you money" s

Let's see if the system works

2013-03-18 Thread Bruce Sorge
So, myself along with over one hundred thousand service members have signed a petition on We The People, a White House run site that allows citizens to generate petitions. So now we wait to see if this works. Today this was in the news: The White House will have to consider reinstating tuitio

Re: MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Vivec
I am so ashamed :(( Larry..I don't read Al Jazeera much because I find it... *SOB* *SO** Boring!! Compared to US news where there is ALWAYS some hot button, bacchanal topic and hype and outrageousness and...and.. What's become of me!?!? Whyyy!! *bawls* I've become a shock media j

Re: MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
"For print/online, there are plenty of good options. I just want 'cable news' to be 'news' again." I know what you are saying. One of my favorite news channels was Headline News because it was news. Unfortunately, it changed as well. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percen

Re: MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I wouldn't worry about OPS yet, unless you're standing on your porch yelling at the kids to get off your lawn. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > I dont see those as video/tv channels. Do you? > > (I do watch BBC News (from my linode London server as a vpn)) > > For p

Re: MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I get all three (BBC CBC and Al Jazeera English) on Fios here in northern Virginia. The others online. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > I dont see those as video/tv channels. Do you? > > (I do watch BBC News (from my linode London server as a vpn)) > > For print/onl

Re: MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
I dont see those as video/tv channels. Do you? (I do watch BBC News (from my linode London server as a vpn)) For print/online, there are plenty of good options. I just want "cable news" to be "news" again. Sigh. I have OPS. (old person syndrome) On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Larry C. Lyon

Re: MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
you mean they still do Music Videos? On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Wait...MTV is showing music videos again? > > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Sam wrote: > >> >> Next they're going to do a study about music videos on MTV and VH1. >> >> . >> >> On Mon, Mar 18, 2013

Re: MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You could always try real news organizations, like the BBC or the CBC or even Al Jazeera English or Channel 4 Israel - all of those do much more reporting than either MSNBC or Faux News. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > and sadly, most of that reporting was politic

Re: MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Scott Stroz
Wait...MTV is showing music videos again? On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:12 PM, Sam wrote: > > Next they're going to do a study about music videos on MTV and VH1. > > . > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > > > http://www.businessinsider.com/msnbc-fox-news-bias-opinion-reporting

Re: MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Scott Stroz
I have actually started reading news from the BBC instead of US based sources. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Do yourself a favor and skip all network news, npr, and pbs. > > They are all compromised and beholden to their advertisers. > > Guardians of liberty my foot.

Re: MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Sam
Next they're going to do a study about music videos on MTV and VH1. . On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Vivec wrote: > > http://www.businessinsider.com/msnbc-fox-news-bias-opinion-reporting-pew-research-2013-3 > > "MSNBC 's programming > became a

Re: Oh Snap. It's on Now. EU Finance Ministers Want 10% Tax on Citizen Savings for Ballout

2013-03-18 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > It's fortunate you stopped. You could have ended up like Paul Krugman. > A respected economist, a fine writer, and a nobel prize winner? The horror. Judah ~| Order

Re: Oh Snap. It's on Now. EU Finance Ministers Want 10% Tax on Citizen Savings for Ballout

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Do people still HAVE a trust in banks and banking institutions?" No. Read "Griftopia" and the lack of trust will become open scorn. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of t

Re: Oh Snap. It's on Now. EU Finance Ministers Want 10% Tax on Citizen Savings for Ballout

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
"It was my undergrad minor, if I'd taken it all the way to PhD, who knows what I'd be thinking right now." It's fortunate you stopped. You could have ended up like Paul Krugman. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are p

Re: MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
Do yourself a favor and skip all network news, npr, and pbs. They are all compromised and beholden to their advertisers. Guardians of liberty my foot. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see li

Re: MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > and sadly, most of that reporting was politics-only. > > I miss real news. CNN seems to be completely obsessed with 1) child killers or 2) spouse killers They spend at least half of their airtime talking about one or the other. -Ca

Re: MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
and sadly, most of that reporting was politics-only. I miss real news. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > http://www.businessinsider.com/msnbc-fox-news-bias-opinion-reporting-pew-research-2013-3 > > "MSNBC 's programming > bec

MSNBC Saturated with opinion, Fox doing more reporting *gasp*

2013-03-18 Thread Vivec
http://www.businessinsider.com/msnbc-fox-news-bias-opinion-reporting-pew-research-2013-3 "MSNBC 's programming became almost entirely full of commentary and opinion in 2012, while "factual reporting" saw almost no airtime, according to a new report

Re: Oh Snap. It's on Now. EU Finance Ministers Want 10% Tax on Citizen Savings for Ballout

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
LOL. Do people still HAVE a trust in banks and banking institutions? I assume most people are expecting the banks to screw them whenever possible. And not everyone has a safe mattress at home. It's always a balancing act for the "normal" person. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Vivec wrote:

Re: An open letter to Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer

2013-03-18 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
Had me rolling! Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http://www.eastcoastconservative.com Every cloud does have a silver lining. Sometimes you just have to do some smelting to find it. On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:56 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > +100 > > On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Jerry Milo

Re: Oh Snap. It's on Now. EU Finance Ministers Want 10% Tax on Citizen Savings for Ballout

2013-03-18 Thread Vivec
Not just people in Cyprus, people everywhere. You must recall the running joke that it's safer to keep your money under your mattress than to put it in a bank. Wouldn't this cause a complete loss of public confidence in banking institutions worldwide? On 18 March 2013 08:34, Cameron Childress

Re: Oh Snap. It's on Now. EU Finance Ministers Want 10% Tax on Citizen Savings for Ballout

2013-03-18 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:48 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > Cameron, it is obvious that you do not have a PhD in economics. You > actually can see the effects of this and how bad an idea it is. It was my undergrad minor, if I'd taken it all the way to PhD, who knows what I'd be thinking right now.

The Great Green Con no. 1

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
I know many of you are true believers so just look at this as an informational piece. Don't look at it as an attack on your faith, but a chance to strengthen it. In order to get the full gist, you'll need to look at the graph in the article. The Great Green Con no. 1: The hard proof that final

Re: An open letter to Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer

2013-03-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
+100 On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > http://mrsniffen.tumblr.com/post/44600485954/an-open-letter-to-yahoo-ceo-marissa-mayer > > (I don't necc disagree with her new rule, to make people work from the > office. But this IS funny.) > > >

Re: Oh Snap. It's on Now. EU Finance Ministers Want 10% Tax on Citizen Savings for Ballout

2013-03-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Latest news shows that the Cyprus Parliament is voting to delay the implementation of this: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/18/us-cyprus-parliament-idUSBRE92G03I20130318 I hope that this can be worked out. I spent 6 months in Cyprus when I was 20 as part of the UN Peacekeeping Brigade. It

Re: Oh Snap. It's on Now. EU Finance Ministers Want 10% Tax on Citizen Savings for Ballout

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
"1) People in Cyprus will be reluctant to put any money in savings because now it could randomly and unexpectedly be taxed. " Check. "2) People in all of the EU may become more reluctant to save any money because now it could randomly be taxed (this was the EU's idea right?)." Check. And it wa

Re: CPAC Participant Defends Slavery At Minority Outreach Panel: It Gave 'Food And Shelter' To Blacks | ThinkProgress

2013-03-18 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Jerry, You keep bringing up Margaret Sanger's attitudes etc. What about others at the time? Like Virginia's eugenics laws etc.Its a smear and nothing else. Unless you can show that her views were exceptional at the time then its merely a sleazy baseless attack. Which seems to be par for the cours

An open letter to Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
http://mrsniffen.tumblr.com/post/44600485954/an-open-letter-to-yahoo-ceo-marissa-mayer (I don't necc disagree with her new rule, to make people work from the office. But this IS funny.) ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology n

Re: Oh Snap. It's on Now. EU Finance Ministers Want 10% Tax on Citizen Savings for Ballout

2013-03-18 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > But it seems to have been mandated from powers outside Cyprus." > > It was. If this precedent gets set, the long term effects may be worse than the immediate effects. the potentials include. 1) People in Cyprus will be reluctant to put any

Re: CPAC Participant Defends Slavery At Minority Outreach Panel: It Gave 'Food And Shelter' To Blacks | ThinkProgress

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Sanger has been dead for many years. " Thank God. With her progressive ideas and zeal to carry them out, the world would probably be a worse place if she were alive. "Anyone still breathing? Or actively involved in any current political organization?" Anyone still breathing do what? Or acti

Re: Oh Snap. It's on Now. EU Finance Ministers Want 10% Tax on Citizen Savings for Ballout

2013-03-18 Thread Jerry Barnes
"But it seems to have been mandated from powers outside Cyprus." It was. Must be interesting to be sitting at home on a Sunday morning and hear that the EU leaders have voted to take 10% of your savings. All electronic transfers have been blocked. Cyprus has closed banks today, tomorrow and We