Yes Sam, the threat was there, but it's also in Iran, North Korea, and
many more countries more than likely. Are we planning on invading all
of these countries also? What made Iraq so special as to justify an
invasion based on intelligence saying that he would eventually have
wmd. Do people real
I don't read false pretenses as bad intelligence, I read it as: "we
were lied to."
Either way as the editorial states the threat was there, it wasn't 45
minutes away but it was definitely there, Saddam wanted those weapons
and was going to have them eventually unless he was removed.
On 5/26/06, Za
How so? If we went in under bad intelligence, they were false
pretenses were they not?
On 5/26/06, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It addresses your: "we went in under false pretenses" comment
>
> On 5/26/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> > uhmm Sam, that doesn't invalidate anything I wrote. Be i
It addresses your: "we went in under false pretenses" comment
On 5/26/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> uhmm Sam, that doesn't invalidate anything I wrote. Be it Bush or the
> CIA, we got faulty intelligence somewhere. The article also said
> nothing towards how badly this seems to be going.
~
uhmm Sam, that doesn't invalidate anything I wrote. Be it Bush or the
CIA, we got faulty intelligence somewhere. The article also said
nothing towards how badly this seems to be going.
On 5/26/06, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Revisionist History
> Antiwar myths about Iraq, debunked.
>
> BY
Revisionist History
Antiwar myths about Iraq, debunked.
BY PETER WEHNER
Tuesday, May 23, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110008415
On 5/25/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
> "Stay the course" has to be the most overused metaphor. So, what
> exactly do you
> but I haven't heard a
> Streisand song on the radio in years.
Not that anyone's complaining...
:-P
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
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Message:
I saw that show. Very fascinating.
Ian Skinner wrote:
> Every time I hear that phrase I wanna remind the person saying it that the
> captain of the Titanic was "staying the course".
>
> Change of topic: I saw a recent show on the Titanic and they discussed how
> if the Captain could have gone
I would listen to my Ipod too if I could figure out how to get it to work.
On 5/25/06, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> not to mention, between my ipod, and my 3 xm radio's
> i dont even listen to the FM dial n e mo'
>
> tw
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M
Clear Channel may be a private company, but their licenses are for
public airways, so they don't have unlimited rights to what is
broadcast. You are right, however, that their monopoly in some
markets is not a good thing.
On 5/25/06, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They have the fr
Every time I hear that phrase I wanna remind the person saying it that the
captain of the Titanic was "staying the course".
Change of topic: I saw a recent show on the Titanic and they discussed how if
the Captain could have gone against all instincts and turned into the iceberg,
hitting it he
It's a known fact that several of the right-wing PACs organized
call-in and write-in campaigns, and even organized gatherings to burn
the CDs of the Dixie Chicks. And while that is perfectly within their
rights to do so, it stinks that Clear Channel pretends that the ban
was based on the opinions
Every time I hear that phrase I wanna remind the person saying it that
the captain of the Titanic was "staying the course".
On 5/25/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Stay the course" has to be the most overused metaphor. So, what
> exactly do you do by staying the course. Most
Actually, we need to fight this entire war differently. The answer to an
insurgency is direct and brutal application of firepower and f**k the
collateral damage. We don't need to win the hearts and minds of these people,
we just need to stop the insurgency.
If we get sniped at, an answering
Ah - good point. I was specifically talking about Dan Brown's Da
Vinci Code. However, if you are willing to consider the Bible a work
of fiction as well then I may see why religious folks are so upset
over the Da Vinci Code.
-Cameron
On 5/26/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If the sourc
If the source for religious doctrine was anything OTHER than a fictional
book, it would be called science, not religion.
So I'd say it's a perfect source for religious doctrine. It's the
requirement of faith that makes it a religion.
On 5/25/06, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 10:08 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
>
>
> "Stay the course" has to be the most overused metaphor. So, what
> exactly do you do by staying the course. Most people are
> acknowledging that we went in under
The rules haven't changed. It is just that the FCC, when the Bush
administration took over, made it clear in numerous statements that
they would no longer apply any oversight to the radio industry (unless
the content was offensive to the religious right, in which case they
would act). The laws are
not to mention, between my ipod, and my 3 xm radio's
i dont even listen to the FM dial n e mo'
tw
On 5/25/06, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yet the government...I'm not sure which administration...has changed
> the rules of radio ownership so that the large one voice
> conglomera
yet the government...I'm not sure which administration...has changed
the rules of radio ownership so that the large one voice
conglomerations can seemingly take over a whole market. Those rules
for broadcast ownership should have not ever been changed. Radio has
gone so far downhill ever since.
"Stay the course" has to be the most overused metaphor. So, what
exactly do you do by staying the course. Most people are
acknowledging that we went in under false pretenses and we've not
executed the invasion well so far. So "staying the course" seems to
be analogous to "fucking things up", whi
We are discussing quality of source. Hollywood isn't a quality source
of political information (in general). Of course, a fictional book
isn't a good source of religious doctrine either, but some people are
having a hard time with that one too.
-Cameron
On 5/24/06, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w
They have the freedom to choose who they play. For whatever silly
reasons they choose.
You have the right not to listen to them.
The only thing wrong with Clear channel is it's near monopolistic
status in certain segments. With real free markets it's not a problem
because people just leave a st
BTW Ramallah are gay nu-core red bastards.
White Trash Rob was wy cooler with Blood for Blood.
> -Original Message-
> From: Crow T. Robot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:49 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
&g
t going to have to. Works out great for me and
> > my girl Jane.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:33 PM
> >> To: CF-Community
> >> Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks an
>> From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:33 PM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
>>
>> wtf.
>>
>> s'all good, wont last forever holmes.
>> fag? fuck that. I like ramallah too! I just
rsday, May 25, 2006 2:33 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
>
> wtf.
>
> s'all good, wont last forever holmes.
> fag? fuck that. I like ramallah too! I just have a more
> diverse music taste than most.
>
> I can go from Ramallah to Sar
gt; > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:22 AM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
> > >
> > > hey, -any- country tune is infinitely better than anything by Coldplay
> > >
> > > :D
> > >
> >
> >
&g
to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:25 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
> >
> > efff offf the three of ya!
> >
> > :) tw
> >
> > On 5/25/06, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
: Thursday, May 25, 2006 2:25 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
>
> efff offf the three of ya!
>
> :) tw
>
> On 5/25/06, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yeah, I'll drink to that.
> >
> > > -O
efff offf the three of ya!
:) tw
On 5/25/06, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah, I'll drink to that.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:22 AM
> > To: CF-Co
"Or that Clear Channel has
the right to ban my songs because of an orchestrated dial-in campaign
by a bunch of Shrub's minions?"
Clear Channel is a private company, they have the right to do whatever they
want within the law. So if they don't like the politics or statements made
by a partic
Yeah, I'll drink to that.
> -Original Message-
> From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 9:22 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
>
> hey, -any- country tune is infinitely better than an
On 5/24/06, Maureen wrote:
> I've made much worst statements than that about him. Does that mean
> no one should listen to my music either? Or that Clear Channel has
> the right to ban my songs because of an orchestrated dial-in campaign
> by a bunch of Shrub's minions?
I don't listen to your m
+10
On 5/25/06, Charlie Griefer wrote:
> hey, -any- country tune is infinitely better than anything by Coldplay
>
> :D
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The Taliban needed to be shut down, but I don't think Shrub ever had
any kind of strategy for getting bin Laden like he did for getting
Saddam.
As for Iraq, it is a mess for sure. I suspect if we wait for a stable
government to replace Saddam, we may be there for many, many years. I
also suspect
I support the action in Afgahnistan. We needed to go in there to get bin
Laden. Wish we could have gotten him then. As for Iraq, I didn't support the
invasion. Not because I thought the the WMD pretense was false. I believed
they were there based upon what the media was reporting. I though
hey, -any- country tune is infinitely better than anything by Coldplay
:D
On 5/25/06, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> zackly... my fav's too, and there is a couple others that are dope.
> but generally, besides the man in black, country can suck a fat dick!
>
> tw
>
> On 5/25/06, G Money <[EMAI
zackly... my fav's too, and there is a couple others that are dope.
but generally, besides the man in black, country can suck a fat dick!
tw
On 5/25/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Heh, sorry.
>
> I liked a few of their tunes off of Wide Open Spaces, and chicks playing the
> violin.y
Heh, sorry.
I liked a few of their tunes off of Wide Open Spaces, and chicks playing the
violin.yum. My fav was cowboy take me away (think that was the title),
dug her vocals on that tune.
Oh and Earl still cracks me up. But country in general, yuck.
On 5/25/06, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
easy on my girls now.
tw
On 5/25/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There isn't really any controversy to discuss here. The Dipshit Chicks have
> every right to say whatever they want, and any fans who may get pissed at
> them for what they say, have every right to not buy their crap. Radi
There isn't really any controversy to discuss here. The Dipshit Chicks have
every right to say whatever they want, and any fans who may get pissed at
them for what they say, have every right to not buy their crap. Radio
stations can play whatever they want. They don't have to give a reason for
it.
We weren't discussing the value of their opinion, just their right to
express it. It hasn't been that long since a former actor was elected
President of the United States, so obviously being an entertainer
doesn't preclude the public from putting value on your words.
On 5/24/06, Cameron Childress
They didn't win any awards last night because their album wasn't
released in 2005, and therefore wasn't eligible for any awards. None
of this controversy has anything to do with the quality of their work.
They were the hottest act in country music before Natalie made her
statement about being asha
Message-
> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 5:07 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
>
> Are you talking about the new album, or the Dixie Chicks in general (I
> was talking generally, and they have won awards,
't win
> any awards last night. So I'd say they aren't good by today's standards
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:27 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re:
I don't see anyplace that claims people are requesting it, just the opposite.
Did you even read the article?
Maines was quoted in late January on EW.com, before the single went to
country radio, saying: "For me to be in country music to begin with
was not who I was ... I would be cheating myself ..
:27 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
>
> Yes, that is considered "good" by today's country music standards.
>
> But again, Sam, you missed the point.
>
> If the fans REALLY did not want to hear it, they wouldn't be buying
Around here that wasn't the case. Of course, then again, many of the
complaints were because they aren't that good to begin with.
> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 4:18 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subj
Yes, that is considered "good" by today's country music standards.
But again, Sam, you missed the point.
If the fans REALLY did not want to hear it, they wouldn't be buying
the album, they wouldn't be calling up CMT and requesting the videos
be played, and it wouldn't consistently be a top downlo
But here is where the rubber does not quite meet the road.
They SAY they are stopping due to the huge number of complaints.
But from what reporters are reporting out of individual stations, the
number of complaints was in the tens or dozens, in some cases a
hundred plus, but many of those station
To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
>
> It's comedy. They publicly insults the bulk of their customer base and
> then cry about how unfair they're being treated. They are country
> musicians that want to be political commentators, and their fans have
&g
You left the ACLU off your list :)
http://tinyurl.com/zljdf
A.C.L.U. May Block Criticism by Its Board
On 5/24/06, Jerry Johnson wrote:
> I was not worrying so much about the specifics of the Dixie Chicks vs
> Big Radio (because, I agree, who cares), but find the whole situation
> vis-a-vis big bu
It's comedy. They publicly insults the bulk of their customer base and
then cry about how unfair they're being treated. They are country
musicians that want to be political commentators, and their fans have
opposite views. First rule of marketing is know your target.
To prove how important they thi
io station has to keep listeners, and if they play stuff
people don't want to hear then they'll turn it off, or turn it to another
station.
> -Original Message-
> From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 3:38 PM
> To: CF-Community
t; >
> > + a bunch
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Crow T. Robot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:02 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
> > >
>
I don't oppose their right to say something. I oppose the fact that I
(or anyone) should place value on any out of touch bubble-boy movie
star or musician's political viewpoints.
I support free speech, and as much as I despise Clearchannel, I also
support private industry's right to make their ow
Ok, I'll give you that. I haven't followed him much, but just saw one
interview where he seemed to backing off from any support of Shrub's
wars, but emphasized his continued support for the troops.
On 5/24/06, Russel Madere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gotta call you on this. Toby supported the
Suppression of opposition speech is a serious problem. Allowing a
huge communications company like Clear Channel to determine who gets
heard based on the artists political belief is a huge problem.
Suggesting a discusson doesn't belong on this community because you
don't consider it important is
>
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Crow T. Robot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:02 PM
> > > To: CF-Community
> > > Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
> > >
> > >
> > > Hear hear.
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> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:02 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
> >
> >
> > Hear hear.
> >
> > That's long been my stance.
> >
> > Although, I just gave it more fodder by agreeing. damn.
+ a bunch
> -Original Message-
> From: Crow T. Robot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:02 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
>
>
> Hear hear.
>
> That's long been my stance.
>
> Althoug
Hear hear.
That's long been my stance.
Although, I just gave it more fodder by agreeing. damn.
Cameron Childress wrote:
> On 5/22/06, Skorp Croze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Has anyone else been following this story?
>>
>> The radio stations have decided that they don't want to play the Dixie
On 5/22/06, Skorp Croze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone else been following this story?
>
> The radio stations have decided that they don't want to play the Dixie Chicks.
I think for me this falls under "who the f** cares". Anyone who sets
their political beliefs based on what some out of
He has apparently been listening to me. He nailed my feelings dead on.
On 5/24/06, Russel Madere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gotta call you on this. Toby supported the war in Afgahnistan and still
> does. He NEVER supported the war in Iraq but he DOES support the troops
> wherever they are se
Gotta call you on this. Toby supported the war in Afgahnistan and still does.
He NEVER supported the war in Iraq but he DOES support the troops wherever they
are serving. I have paid attention to his opinions since he came out against
the invasion of Iraq early on. He has never wavered on su
Good ol' Country was Hank Wiliams, Johnny Cash, Johnny Paycheck, Merle Haggard
etc..
Modern Country is nothing more than Redneck Rock, or southern rock with an
occasional twang.
"because they won't play Merle Haggard or George Jones."
~~~
puter.
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Skorp Croze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:25 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Dixie Chicks and airplay
>
> Has anyone else been following this story?
>
> The radio stations have decided that they d
hmmm, I'd like to mention the existence of the whole alt.country scene, which
may be mainly Texas but is HUGE there. Also perhaps Scott should check out Hank
Williams III...
http://www.hank3.com/
perhaps James McMurtry also, though he throws some roots rock into the mix.
http://www.jamesmcmurt
No, I'd love to be able to pull the stastics I know for Scott, but I
just can't, due to confidentiality agreements and personal guilt.
I will try to find research I've collected myself that I can share.
I think Scott would be suprised that the demo he is thinking of is
served more today by Christ
uller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 3:29 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
This is more oone of those things where the burden of proof is on you as
you're making an absurd statement.
How about count me as one person who does not adore the pres and
have a lot of misconceptions about the south. You've stated them here
before.
- Matt
- Original Message -
From: "Scott Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 2:22 PM
Subject: RE: Dixie Chicks and airplay
> But d
Actually, I can't right now, since most of the information I have with
that info is proprietary.
I've been a freelance technologist to a radio station syndicate for
about 7 years. I read dozens of industry reports each week, most of
which are not sharable.
Most of the information comes from propr
error, please notify
us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your
computer.
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:49 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Dixie Chicks and airplay
Have you been following any news
it works! www.kbac.com
> I saw a story about it this morning and I am just rolling my eyes ;)
> Who cares what the Dixie Chicks think? They are entitled to their own
> opinion. But I do think good for them.
>
> And yeah I hate the music business! Clear Channel has done it a lot of
> harm. For
I saw a story about it this morning and I am just rolling my eyes ;) Who cares
what the Dixie Chicks think? They are entitled to their own opinion. But I do
think good for them.
And yeah I hate the music business! Clear Channel has done it a lot of harm.
Fortunately the lone exception in the a
Have you been following any news in the last few months?
"Adore the POTUS"? I don't know that anyone still feels that way
(although he does still have some support). I think even Laura is
giving him the cold shoulder these days.
But demographics reports tend to differ from what you said about
Cou
.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Skorp Croze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:25 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Dixie Chicks and airplay
>
> Has anyone else been following this story?
>
> The radio stations have decided that the
They don't get played on country stations because the listener
boycotts. They do get plenty of play on top 40 stations. I guess the
moveon crowd is now into country music.
On 5/22/06, Skorp Croze wrote:
> Has anyone else been following this story?
>
> The radio stations have decided that they don'
hell yeah! I've put the single on rotation in my Rhapsody list. I
hope it moves up on the charts there as well.
On 5/22/06, Skorp Croze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone else been following this story?
>
> The radio stations have decided that they don't want to play the Dixie Chicks.
>
>
EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:25 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Dixie Chicks and airplay
Has anyone else been following this story?
The radio stations have decided that they don't want to play the Dixie
Chicks.
Their new singles have gotten very little airplay, and even when th
Has anyone else been following this story?
The radio stations have decided that they don't want to play the Dixie Chicks.
Their new singles have gotten very little airplay, and even when they
are played, there is often a disclaimer or comment by the dj talking
in negative terms about the Dixie Ch
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