Re: Egypt is missing

2011-02-01 Thread Jerry Barnes
"It isn't hard to lend credence to the claims of oppression from the Egyptian people." Of course there is oppression. The Egyptian people have been oppressed for decades. Egypt has a brutal secret police that have, up until the current events, managed to keep the citizens in line. J - My vow

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-30 Thread Vivec
Al Jazeera offices have gotten shut down in Cairo! It isn't hard to lend credence to the claims of oppression from the Egyptian people. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Antholog

RE: Egypt is missing

2011-01-29 Thread Eric Roberts
Depends on who you ask? -Original Message- From: Vivec [mailto:gel21...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 15:39 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Egypt is missing Al Jazeera seems to be beating the other news networks on information from Egypt. http://blogs.aljazeera.net

RE: Egypt is missing

2011-01-29 Thread Eric Roberts
School of the Americas? -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 17:11 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Egypt is missing Apparently one guy was brought to the US for activism training, so I would say they know him. On Sat, Jan

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-29 Thread Robert Munn
Apparently one guy was brought to the US for activism training, so I would say they know him. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Sam wrote: > > But do we know who the protesters we're backing are? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusio

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-29 Thread Vivec
Al Jazeera seems to be beating the other news networks on information from Egypt. http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/01/29/live-blog-291-egypt-protests http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/ Muslim Brotherhood claims they want political prisoners released. Not sure whether that's a go

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-29 Thread Sam
But do we know who the protesters we're backing are? On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > Consider: printing dollars has resulted in what the Chinese president > referred to so petulantly as exporting inflation to low-wage countries. That > inflation has helped fuel unrest

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-29 Thread Robert Munn
Consider: printing dollars has resulted in what the Chinese president referred to so petulantly as exporting inflation to low-wage countries. That inflation has helped fuel unrest in places like Tunisia and Egypt. Now we have reports that the US aided Egyptian protesters. Would it surprise anyone

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-29 Thread Vivec
Egypt protests: America's secret backing for rebel leaders behind uprising The American government secretly backed leading figures behind the Egyptian uprising who have been planning “regime change” for the past three years, The Daily Telegraph has learned. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Judah McAuley
More great personal coverage: http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2011/01/28/egypt-too-soon-to-analyze-so-heres-my-outbox/ On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > I seem to remember some story about printers containing a spy chip > being produced for certain countries by a

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Cameron Childress
I seem to remember some story about printers containing a spy chip being produced for certain countries by a US manufacturer. Imagine getting access to any printed document in an entire government. Mark it Top Secret all you want, the printer just sent a copy to Langley -Cameron On Fri, Ja

RE: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Eric Roberts
At least not until the first time it is used... -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 14:42 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Egypt is missing On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com>

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Ah, it is a _stealth_ chip. Like Wonder Woman's plane. (which the Chinese would get a hold of, and build one just like it) I understand now. =) Sadly, as our own friendly-fire casualties show, even our newest weapons are not smart enough to shoot us. The only good news is: mostly, the equip

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
s < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > I am sure that would be a great selling point ;-) > > -Original Message- > From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 13:46 > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Egypt is missing > >

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread G Money
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > I am sure that would be a great selling point ;-) > They wouldn't know about the chip, silly. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology

RE: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Eric Roberts
I am sure that would be a great selling point ;-) -Original Message- From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 13:46 To: cf-community Subject: Re: Egypt is missing Every American made weapon that we build for another country should contain a secret tiny

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread G Money
Every American made weapon that we build for another country should contain a secret tiny chip in it that can be activated at any time by our government to render it useless. That would be pretty cool. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > Also, unfortunately, today man

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Also, unfortunately, today many of the weapon systems we resell were NOT made fully in the USA. Just as the shovel-ready projects we have "greenlighted" with the stimulus are using Chinese steel, and illegal immigrant labor, we are borrowing foreign money (China) to line the pockets of the rich b

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Very nice and it touches on a tiny but important issue - military aid. If the US gave Egypt more economic aid than military, this problem might have been avoided. 1.3 BILLION is a lot of money, even if it's mostly virtual. We play these games all over the place. We give military aid to Egypt (who

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Vivec
Good explanation of what has happened and is happening in Egypt, and why: http://promotingpeace.tumblr.com/post/2969260999 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/14302721

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Michael Dinowitz
This is become a lesser of two evils type of thing. Mubarak isn't that great but he's kept Egypt from being taken over by the Muslim Brotherhood, who would be more than happy to turn Egypt into a theocracy. As with all things, there are more things going on here than what we see in the 'western' m

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
I wish good, peaceful transition to wherever they are heading. A few interesting notes on external reaction: Fitch Ratigns Agency has downgraded Egypt's credit rating from 'stable' to 'negative'. Egypt Stock market suspended after loss of > 20% in 3 days. The Egyptian pound is at a 6 year low, an

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Judah McAuley
John Kerry actually had a pretty well done statement on the situation out today: The events unfolding across Egypt are cause for grave concern. Egypt is an important American ally which took brave and bold steps to make peace with Israel, and we will never forget that President Sadat paid for tha

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:39 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > >> >>  But El Baradei is under house arrest and Mubarak still has the >> grudging support of a lot of leaders, the US amongst them. I wouldn't >> put it beyond him to find a way through th

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread G Money
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > But El Baradei is under house arrest and Mubarak still has the > grudging support of a lot of leaders, the US amongst them. I wouldn't > put it beyond him to find a way through this while keeping power. > I'm not sure how strong the US

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > He's done. Mohamed ElBaradei says he is joining the protests and has called > on Mubarek to resign: > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8286969/Egyptian-protests-intensify-as-clashes-spread-across-the-Mi

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-28 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
The violent attacks on Western media is not a good sign. At least 5 TV reporters have reported the "plainclothes" police have taken cameras and destroyed them. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-27 Thread Robert Munn
He's done. Mohamed ElBaradei says he is joining the protests and has called on Mubarek to resign: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/8286969/Egyptian-protests-intensify-as-clashes-spread-across-the-Middle-East.html On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Michael Dinow

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-27 Thread Michael Dinowitz
By turning off the internet Mubarak may have won a battle but he'll lose the war. Even if all of the protests are put down now, the fact that he crippled the country for a time will cause the people to lose all trust in him. People from all levels of society. Bottom line is that he's finished as p

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-27 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
That link Michael sent has some great points. No modern society in the age of the internet has turned it off. How is the rest of the financial world going to react? Embassies? Corporations? Even if he can hang on to power, I think he may have broken his country for years to come. On Fri, Jan

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-27 Thread Judah McAuley
It isn't an overreaction. Egypt has never had protests like this before and no one that I'm aware of who follows Egypt was expecting anything like what they are seeing right now from the populace. Mubarak is caught totally flat footed. He knows how to deal with groups like the Muslim Brotherhood.

Re: Egypt is missing

2011-01-27 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Looks like SMS and Blackberry are gone as well. Now if someone has a phone modem they can call over to a neighboring country and use their internet. Of course, who has one of those now-a-days. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > Looks like t

Egypt is missing

2011-01-27 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Looks like the Egyptian government has one of those internet kill switches. They have 4 big ISPs and it looks like the government had them shut down all connections to the 'outside world'. Kind of an extreme reaction to the protests going on over there, but after seeing Tunisia I guess those in po