On 9/27/06, Judith Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've been reading this for a bit before chiming in.
>
> I would not necessarily be happy about my children seeing some nude statue
> either, even as part of an art trip. And I believe in exposing children to
> art.
That's fine.
I'm not a
These parents religion doesn't matter.
What does matter is that they signed a permission slip allowing their
children to be taken to a place where, ultimately, they were exposed to
stuff that the parents did not want them too.
The parents have themselves to blame. PERIOD. Hence their complaining
> Judith wrote:
> Who says the parent demanded that the
> teacher be fired? You don't know that. I don't blame the parent,
> Christianity or religion. I blame the school.
>
I think it's an interesting question to ask what a school should know
to warn parents about and what parents should expect to
I've been reading this for a bit before chiming in.
I would not necessarily be happy about my children seeing some nude statue
either, even as part of an art trip. And I believe in exposing children to
art.
I'm not a Christian, and this is not a "deeply held religious conviction."
It's a sense
> Skorp wrote:
> Our art teacher took
> the THIRD graders to the Dallas Museum of Art.
Interesting question there - who's responsible for what a kid sees in
this case? The parents who should know what's at a museum or the
school who should warn them?
And if it's the school that should warn them,
I did read these. Most of them earlier today. I thought this was the
most telling comment in the lot:
#
My daughter is a student at an exemplary/blue ribbon elementary school
in Flower Mound, which is under Lewisville ISD. Our art teacher took
the THIRD graders to the Dallas Museum of Art. She exp
> cHat wrote:
> > Ah ha! I wrote my last post before I read this. And I didn't even
> > read the article, I was just interested in the logic.
>
> But did you read the blog and forum entries I linked to at the end of my post?
>
yup, but that doesn't change much about the people that gave
permissi
I agree with you in this case, that was harsh.
But, can you answer a few honest questions?
Do you think the parent in this case was not a Christian?
Do you think the reason for the pressure on the school was something
other than a deeply held religious belief that the teacher did
something immoral
> Ah ha! I wrote my last post before I read this. And I didn't even
> read the article, I was just interested in the logic.
But did you read the blog and forum entries I linked to at the end of my post?
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Introducing the Fusio
> cHat wrote:
> 1. Nobody said it was a nude female body that the students saw.
I was just guessing. Boobs always get everyone all worked up.
> 2. When you characterize the actions of a community as "nutty" and
> place religous connontations on their actions it insinuates a tendancy
> of the acc
> Chesty wrote:
> Oh crap dude, why must it be "Christians"? It can't be anybody else? It
> simply must be Christians?
No offense intended and I'm not picking on them, I'm just making a
deduction based on the facts.
In fact, I'm going to go out on a limb and get more specific. I'm
gonna guess
Just some final thoughts on this thread -
1. Nobody said it was a nude female body that the students saw.
2. When you characterize the actions of a community as "nutty" and
place religous connontations on their actions it insinuates a tendancy
of the accusor to be biased against that religon.
3. E
t" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Fear of religious fanatics
>> Matt wrote:
>> Movies, TV, the point's still the same. You're making an assumption,
>> just
>> like Skorp did.
&
> Matt wrote:
> Movies, TV, the point's still the same. You're making an assumption, just
> like Skorp did.
The question is, what kind of person would give their kid permission
to go to a museum but:
A.) Be totally ignorant of what is actually at a museum, and
B.) Find out that their kid saw a n
y"
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: Fear of religious fanatics
>> Chesty wrote:
>> Hold on...You don't know that these same people would allow movies like
>> that
>> in their house, especially to children.
>
> I'm talking abou
> Chesty wrote:
> Hold on...You don't know that these same people would allow movies like that
> in their house, especially to children.
I'm talking about TV, not movies, and these parents signed a form
saying their kids could attend the field trip. Ignorance of art is no
excuse.
~~~
parental rights. However you feel about tits, it's not your
place to provide them for other's children.
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From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: Fear of re
> Chesty wrote:
> The
> fallacy in this argument is that it was presented as some sort of damning
> evidence.
>
Yeah, I'm just pointing out that while the evidence isn't damning it's
certainly indicitive.
I'm also always amazed that it seems to be ok to show a bullet slowing
traveling into someon
"Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Fear of religious fanatics
>> Chesty wrote:
>> There aren't any facts other than a woman got fired because parents
>> complained. I don't
live right.
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From: "Skorp Croze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Fear of religious fanatics
>I don't know, is it?
>
> I don't hate anyone for their religion.
&g
> Chesty wrote:
> There aren't any facts other than a woman got fired because parents
> complained. I don't make any assumptions about what happened. You made an
> opinionated assertion and stated it as fact.
>
Yes but the key fact is the nude woman. If there's one thing that
gets Americans up
rson acted in a way that they did not approve of.
- Matt
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From: "Skorp Croze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Fear of religious fanatics
>I don't know, is it?
>
>
I don't know, is it?
I don't hate anyone for their religion.
I actually hate very few people. And most of them have done permanent
harm to children or the innocent and vulnerable, or have abused their
authority in ways I cannot tolerate. Hate is a very personal emotion,
and is hard to achieve and
ir religion, isn't it?
- Original Message -----
From: "Skorp Croze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: Fear of religious fanatics
> Every church listed in town is Christian. I cannot see any ot
Ah, there was a typo in my original post. Now I do see the confusion. Sorry.
Said:
> Did anyone else catch the story about the art teacher in Texas who was fired,
> because
> on a school sponsored trip to a public museum, a 6th grader saw a marble
> sculpture of
> a female nude?
> Of the "army
Every church listed in town is Christian. I cannot see any other
churches listed in any of the directly surrounding towns that are not
Christian either.
What percentage of the people in Frisco do you think are Christian? 95%? 99%?
What percentage of the people in Frisco do you think are "other"? 5%
> In my first post, I mentioned TWO DISTINCT STORIES, one about the art
> teacher, and one about the Army of Jesus. Two different stories, same
> "fundamental" source.
>
> I refererenced them both, because, in my opinion, they are both
> examples of religious fervor.
>
> Two different articles, sam
> This isn't a case of 4 times 5 = Blue
>
Duh, because 5 = blue!!! Gosh...
AutoCAD
Colors
0 Black
1 Red
2 Yellow
3 Green
4 Cyan
5 Blue
6 Magenta
7 White
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Introducing the Fusion Authority Quarterly Update. 80 pages of hard-h
. Wow you missed the
point totally. You were so concerned with talking that you didn't listen.
- Matt
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From: "Skorp Croze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: Fear of religious f
We seem to be missing the boat on this one.
In my first post, I mentioned TWO DISTINCT STORIES, one about the art
teacher, and one about the Army of Jesus. Two different stories, same
"fundamental" source.
I refererenced them both, because, in my opinion, they are both
examples of religious fervo
Quoting the Skorp -
> So, Hatton, are you then for ...
Eh? How does my attempt to get you to look at an issue as something
other than being incited by religious reasons an indicator that I'm
supporting some kind of religious nuttary? You're trying to bring up
my religious stance to defend your o
Who said the other day that the only way for us to fight the Islamic nuts
was with some Christian nuts of our own? I don't remember, but it sounds
like someone has been taking that sentiment to heart.
On 9/27/06, Skorp Croze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Teaching kids in camps that they shoul
> Do you truly think that the firing was for another reason, or are you
> just claiming "You don't have enough facts to make this call?" to
> stall and obfuscate the issue?
Just like we're supposed to believe that the woman who had been
teaching Sunday school for 50+ years wasn't fired because the
> As a parent it is my responsibility to raise my children with my
> morals and to my standards. Is 10 years old too young to be exposed
> to nudity?
Well geez... children have been nude since birth. So at 10, they've
been exposed to nudity all their friggin lives.
> How about sexual intercours
it's detachable.
Funny thing is, because I never let them see me nude, they're more
curious about it now.
On 9/27/06, Crow T Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As for me, my girls never see me in anything less than
> > shortsmainly because I'm scared shitless of some offhand comment
> > my
> As for me, my girls never see me in anything less than
> shortsmainly because I'm scared shitless of some offhand comment
> my girls might make and suddenly child protective services would be at
> my door.
>
Why, you got a hook or something? :)
~~~
Why, then, do you think the teacher was fired? Do you have ANY other
possibility? I'd love to hear one that has any shred of information
behind it.
Do you truly think that the firing was for another reason, or are you
just claiming "You don't have enough facts to make this call?" to
stall and obfu
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> > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:35 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Fear of religious fanatics
> >
> > > Why _would_ a "Christian parent" need to raise concerns?
> > >
> > > And indeed, what concerns are those? That
The quotes are taken directly from
http://www.abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2455343&page=1, talking about a
documentary about the camps.
They call themselves "Soldiers of God", the documentary is called
"Jesus Camp", so my description of them as the Army of Jesus camps
seems pretty accurate.
If you
not to slam anyone, but this is one of those topics that when you look
at it from an outside perspective appears silly.
nude is our most natural state. We're born that way, we see ourselves
that way everyday, newborn babies feed off their mother's breast
daily, and commonly, up until age 2 or 3 y
it becomes
pron in their eyes, and ceases to be art.
> -Original Message-
> From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:35 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Fear of religious fanatics
>
> > Why _would_ a "
; > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Fear of religious fanatics
> >
> > > Why _would_ a "Christian parent" need to raise concerns?
> > >
> > > And indeed, what concerns are those? That a ten year old would see a
> > > nude statue/painting/sc
On 9/27/06, Skorp Croze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, those two quotes directly tie to the 2nd example of religious
> fanaticism I started the thread with, the Army of Jesus camps. Doesn't
> that make them relevant? Feel free to refute. as I started the thread,
> everything I say IS relevant.
essage-
> From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 12:35 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Fear of religious fanatics
>
> > Why _would_ a "Christian parent" need to raise concerns?
> >
> > And ind
> Why _would_ a "Christian parent" need to raise concerns?
>
> And indeed, what concerns are those? That a ten year old would see a
> nude statue/painting/sculpture?
As a parent it is my responsibility to raise my children with my
morals and to my standards. Is 10 years old too young to be expose
how about money to migrate from Texas :)
one of the sayings about Texas towns is that there's a church on every
corner. It so happens that I was driving through a small Texas town
yesterday. They have a total of 2 highway exits. On the first exit
there was a very large church called "Fellowship
Texans seem to have their own mindset.
'Don't Mess with Texas' ...
Maybe we should let them secede. They can pursue their fundamentalist ideals.
We can give them Bush and then he still gets to be President and we can be rid
of him.
Hell I think we should provide moving expenses to anyone w
> was driven by Christians. While it's true that a Christian parent
> would raise concerns about something like this happening it's also a
> fact that a Moslem or even Jewish parent would raise the same
> concerns
Why _would_ a "Christian parent" need to raise concerns?
And indeed, what concerns
aha! New acronym RNDI pronounced Randee!
On 9/27/06, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's a valid assumption. Religious wackos are always the ones doing this
> kind of shit. One might assume it was a Christian becausethe US is
> predominantly christian. A better assumption is the bro
Well, those two quotes directly tie to the 2nd example of religious
fanaticism I started the thread with, the Army of Jesus camps. Doesn't
that make them relevant? Feel free to refute. as I started the thread,
everything I say IS relevant. =)
The art teacher was, in my opinion, fired by overzealou
That's a valid assumption. Religious wackos are always the ones doing this
kind of shit. One might assume it was a Christian becausethe US is
predominantly christian. A better assumption is the broader one: religious
nut, demonination irrelavent.
On 9/27/06, C. Hatton Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTE
On 9/27/06, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Two different items, both scary.
>
> 1. Art teacher fired.
> 2. 'Kids on Fire' camp.
>
>
> "I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the
> gospel as they are in Palestine, Pakistan and all those different
> places," Fisher sa
Two different items, both scary.
1. Art teacher fired.
2. 'Kids on Fire' camp.
"I want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the
gospel as they are in Palestine, Pakistan and all those different
places," Fisher said. "Because, excuse me, we have the truth."
"A lot of people die f
> Of the "army of Jesus" camps, where they are training their
> gradeschoolers that they need to sacrifice their lives and die for
> Jesus? That, if people are willing to go to Iraq and die for
> non-believers, they should be willing to stay at home and die for
> Jesus?
http://www.theeagle.com/sto
Hillary?
*evil cackle*
On 9/27/06, Crow T Robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yea, they are actually talking about it (very heatedly, BTW) right now on
> the morning show I'm listening to. There's one of those fanatics on the
> show and I just can't fathom his POV. It actually is making me want
ourselves from ourselves?
> -Original Message-
> From: Skorp Croze [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:32 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Fear of religious fanatics
>
> OK,
>
> You probably all read this and were thinking "muslim ext
On that very same newscast, there was a story about a guy who wrecked
his car on the freeway. When the paramedics showed up, a crowd of
about 10 people that were standing around the car fled. Ends up that
they were robbing the unconcious driver of the car. Stories like this
and the other one bel
yeah, I saw the news story the other night on the local news and was
going to post it. Supposedly, the school board says that there were
other reasons why she was being fired. I don't buy it, since she's
been teaching 27 years and she won teacher of the year for her ISD 2
years ago.
That kind of
OK,
You probably all read this and were thinking "muslim extremists".
Nope.
Did anyone else catch the story about the art teacher in Texas who was
fired, because on a school sponsored trip to a public museum, a 6th
grader saw a marble sculpture of a female nude?
Of the "army of Jesus" camps, wh
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