Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-17 Thread Vivec
I saw the movie, and read the second book. Thus far it is a depressing read. Characters die horribly, some are tortured mercilessly before death...and all manner of horridness occurs. :-\ I certainly wouldn't let my kid watch/read this stuff. ~

RE: Golden Compass

2008-05-13 Thread Billy Cox
What's even more fun are the Zoloft 'Bipolar' bears. ;) -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:03 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: Golden Compass > -Original Message- > From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:[EM

RE: Golden Compass

2008-05-13 Thread Billy Cox
Even better, the polar bear with armor looking like it was purchased at K-Mart won the battle. But still: Polar Bear combat. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the F

RE: Golden Compass

2008-05-13 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:43 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Golden Compass > > blagh... > all i could think of during the polar bear square off is that all the > on > looking bears

Re: Golden Compass

2008-05-13 Thread Paul Ihrig
blagh... all i could think of during the polar bear square off is that all the on looking bears should have had a coke clasic in there paws made me want to go buy a coke... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most impor

Re: Golden Compass

2008-05-12 Thread Rick Root
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But still: Polar Bear combat. > Yeah.. ARMORED polar bear combat ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date G

RE: Golden Compass

2008-05-12 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:24 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Golden Compass > > On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Jim Davis > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > >

Re: Golden Compass

2008-05-12 Thread zaph0d . b33bl3br0x
yeah, I spent more time filling in the gaps to my daughter than watching the movie. I was pretty excited to see this movie after I read the trilogy. After seeing the execution of this movie, I can't say that I'm disappointed that the next one will probably not see the light of day. On Ma

Re: Golden Compass

2008-05-12 Thread Rick Root
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But the cuts made to the story were pretty nasty and the ending was, at > best, completely truncated (in the book things happen differently... and > more disturbingly). Still I liked it. I think that's what bothered me t

RE: Golden Compass

2008-05-12 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 1:07 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Golden Compass > > ok. > just saw it yesterday.. > thought it sucked goats... > > was cute for a while, but it

Re: Golden Compass

2008-05-12 Thread Rick Root
you tell us! On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is there a difference? > > > :: -Original Message- > > :: From: J.J. Merrick > > :: > > :: Is that sucked goats or BLOWS goats? > ~~

RE: Golden Compass

2008-05-12 Thread Billy Cox
Yeah, when the movie ended the story wasn't even over ;) -Original Message- From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:07 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Golden Compass ok. just saw it yesterday.. thought it sucked goats... was cute for a while, b

RE: Golden Compass

2008-05-12 Thread Erika L. Walker
Is there a difference? > :: -Original Message- > :: From: J.J. Merrick > :: > :: Is that sucked goats or BLOWS goats? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free

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2008-05-12 Thread J.J. Merrick
Is that sucked goats or BLOWS goats? On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ok. > just saw it yesterday.. > thought it sucked goats... > > was cute for a while, but it didnt pull me in & the ending was boring... > > > ~~~

Re: Golden Compass

2008-05-12 Thread Paul Ihrig
ok. just saw it yesterday.. thought it sucked goats... was cute for a while, but it didnt pull me in & the ending was boring... ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread denstar
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Billy Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The early church's wrangling with gnosticism is pretty interesting if you're > into that sort of thing. Heh. That's like the "Sons of light" stuff and whatnot, right? Dead sea scrolls and whatnot... veeery interestin

RE: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread David Churvis
Gnosticism is a specific belief system that says in essence that the "real truth" about Jesus was hidden and that his message was changed very early on into something it was never meant to be. Gnostic beliefs typically are much less exclusive than any kind of fundamentalist belief. In a way, Gnos

RE: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Billy Cox
sday, May 01, 2008 11:12 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism? Cause I like him! But, either way, it's 'whether, when, and how' that are the questions. John says not until you die and only if you do the rights things in

RE: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:36 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism? > > On May 1, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Jim Davis wrote: >

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > Dunno why you are stuck on Thomas..the intriguing question to me is not > WHERE God is to be known, but WHETHER God can be known. > Cause I like him! But, either way, it's 'whether, when, and how' that are the questions. John says not until you die and only if you do the

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread G Money
On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, I would say that, for example, Thomas ("doubting Thomas") was the > first Gnostic; meaning "truth". > > Thomas believed that God existed within each person and so to find and > know God, one had to find and know oneself.

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread zaph0d . b33bl3br0x
On May 1, 2008, at 10:20 AM, Jim Davis wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:54 AM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Gruss Gott
> Jim wrote: > Acknowledging that there is a God (regardless of whether he can be killed or > not) is a completely non-atheistic viewpoint. > Zackly. The books are anti-religion at best and anti-catholic at worst. The reason atheism gets tossed in is because there's only one word more offensiv

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Gruss Gott
> gMoney wrote: > Gnosticor Agnostic? > > The Gnostics were just an early form of modern day fundies. No, I would say that, for example, Thomas ("doubting Thomas") was the first Gnostic; meaning "truth". Thomas believed that God existed within each person and so to find and know God, one had

RE: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:54 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism? > > Wellin the third book they did kill "

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread G Money
nuanced view of other > peoples' belief systems to differentiate between the two. > > David > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:00 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: "The Golden Compass&quo

RE: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread David Churvis
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 10:00 AM To: CF-Community Subject: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism? Here be Spoilers (come to think of to both "The Golden Compass" and "The Bible"). I finally got around to finishing the trilogy. I knew from the

Re: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread zaph0d . b33bl3br0x
Wellin the third book they did kill "God". Granted "God" was just the first angel. I could see how people can interpret that as "promoting atheism" On May 1, 2008, at 9:00 AM, Jim Davis wrote: > Here be Spoilers (come to think of to both "Th

RE: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Billy Cox
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:00 AM To: CF-Community Subject: "The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism? Here be Spoilers (come to think of to both "The Golden Compass" and "The Bible"). I finally got around to finishing the trilogy. I knew from the reli

"The Golden Compass"... what's this about Atheism?

2008-05-01 Thread Jim Davis
Here be Spoilers (come to think of to both "The Golden Compass" and "The Bible"). I finally got around to finishing the trilogy. I knew from the religious right that these books "promoted atheism" but, of course the first book had nothing of the kind in it. The sec

Re: Golden Compass

2007-12-28 Thread Sean Corfield
On Dec 28, 2007 2:40 AM, James Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Next you'll be telling me they all do > whatever they are told by their respective religious leaders like silly, > blind, mindless sheep.. Like lambs unto God... :) -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- ht

RE: Golden Compass

2007-12-28 Thread James Smith
I'm sure the ones who are upset have not actually seen it and therefore they're spreading a lot of FUD about the movie based on hearsay. What, a Christian spreading a load of old balls about a movie they have never seen and in some cases refuse to watch because of its "blasphemous" content? Neve

Re: Golden Compass

2007-12-26 Thread Dinner
On Dec 26, 2007 12:25 AM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow, I think I've said this before in the exact same words. :) Wow. Life is complicated. -- Did you see that (I'm sure biased) bit on, like, dateline I think, about the Israeli and Palestinian kids at camp... then them bein

Re: Golden Compass

2007-12-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
> > > (I probably sound as aggressive as he does with the above.) > > Yes :) Israel's being attacked every day (literally) so any position that says peace through a strong defense sounds aggressive. I'm a firm believer in violence as a totally last resort, but if that last resort comes, you hold n

Re: Golden Compass

2007-12-25 Thread Sean Corfield
On Dec 25, 2007 10:25 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not surprised in the least that they did not explain > what the Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of Israel is, how its an elected office Actually, they did. I just forgot until you mentioned it (having the specifics of 12 religious l

Re: Golden Compass

2007-12-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
These types of 'documentaries' tend to have their own destination already mapped out before they even begin. They want to show a certain side, a certain view. The way it looked to me is that they had no idea who a Jewish spiritual leader would be and just went for something that they could recogniz

Re: Golden Compass

2007-12-25 Thread Sean Corfield
On Dec 25, 2007 2:57 PM, Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The chief Rabbi is only the chief Rabbi of Israel. It's a political > position, not a position that implies he's the chief of Rabayim or anything > of the sort. We don't have anything like that. Orthodox Judaism has no > central

Re: Golden Compass

2007-12-25 Thread Michael Dinowitz
The chief Rabbi is only the chief Rabbi of Israel. It's a political position, not a position that implies he's the chief of Rabayim or anything of the sort. We don't have anything like that. Orthodox Judaism has no central 'chief' like the Pope, Dali Lama or the sort. Reform Judaism has a central b

Re: Golden Compass

2007-12-25 Thread Sean Corfield
can nearer the top). Dr Frank Page is a scary man who embodies almost everything I think is wrong with organized religion. Back to the Golden Compass - hearing how different the books apparently are makes me want to go and read them! Thanx Jim! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect&#

Re: Golden Compass

2007-12-25 Thread Larry Lyons
I'm right in the middle of the book right now. While the Magisterium is a thinly veiled version of the Catholic Church, it one that had a real serious departure from our system well before the Reformation. In fact its a very different world all together. I think those extremist religious types w

Re: Golden Compass

2007-12-24 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> To put it in context for the thread we had recently, I would not class > it as anti-religion but I can see how it could be viewed as > anti-church. The Magisterium looks a lot like the Roman Catholic > Church but perhaps more based on the era of the Inquisition but the > Magisterium could also ju

RE: Golden Compass

2007-12-24 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Sean Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 12:00 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Golden Compass > > After the long (86 posts) thread about this movie and it's "corrupting > influence on youth&q

Golden Compass

2007-12-24 Thread Sean Corfield
After the long (86 posts) thread about this movie and it's "corrupting influence on youth", I finally got around to seeing it today. First off, it's a really, really good movie! I was very surprised to discover it was always two hours because it absolutely flew past and when the credits appeared I