Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
"... , what makes anyone think they won't lie to a judge?" Or just intimidate, blackmail, bribe, or set up (child porn seems to be the easiest way to take someone down). I'm sure all of the footage of incidental drone flights over the US will be given to the NSA to "destroy". J - Ninety per

RE: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Eric Roberts
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 2:58 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret The NSA is probably the most abusive of our various intelligence agencies. It is primarily an army of the military and isn't supposed to operate domestically, but i

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
Word. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Dana wrote: > > CISPA. Utah datacenter. Nuff said. > > > > On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:57 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > > The NSA is probably the most abusive of our various intelligence > agencies. > > It is primarily an army of the military and isn't supp

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Dana
CISPA. Utah datacenter. Nuff said. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:57 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > The NSA is probably the most abusive of our various intelligence agencies. > It is primarily an army of the military and isn't supposed to operate > domestically, but it was central to the wireless wiret

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
The NSA is probably the most abusive of our various intelligence agencies. It is primarily an army of the military and isn't supposed to operate domestically, but it was central to the wireless wiretapping program, and it's leaders like to lie to congress, what makes anyone think they won't lie to

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Jerry Barnes
"You sound like someone with something to hide. Do you have something to hide?" If I did, I sure wouldn't use it with anything related to google. "I am sure anyone they are spying on will totally let their guard down now." Or stop using google. "The NSA could save a lot of time and money if

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:48 PM, Dana wrote: > well, this is 17, which I did not attend, but looks pretty relevant: > > http://www.securitytube.net/video/3425 > Good thing I'm going camping tonight as I'd loose some sleep over this if I was surfing the night away... Reminder for Monday, look

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Dana
well, this is 17, which I did not attend, but looks pretty relevant: http://www.securitytube.net/video/3425 On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Dana wrote: > yeah that would be something they'd think about all right. They only > question in my mind is "proven" vs "generally assumed". > > > On Sa

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Dana
yeah that would be something they'd think about all right. They only question in my mind is "proven" vs "generally assumed". On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:41 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Yeah I read something similar on an anonops wiki. > > On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Dana wrote: > > > > > by th

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
Yeah I read something similar on an anonops wiki. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Dana wrote: > > by the way, to clarify, as I understand it the problem is not so much tor > itself as the endpoints. I found this with the quick google that I had time > for: > > https://blog.torproject.org/blog/

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Dana
lotsa good stuff there, communication networks in Arab Spring situations and the like On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:33 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Looking. > > On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Dana wrote: > > > > > I'm pretty sure that's been proven. If you're really interested I can > > probably fi

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Dana
by the way, to clarify, as I understand it the problem is not so much tor itself as the endpoints. I found this with the quick google that I had time for: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea but I think it goes beyond bittorrent. I am fairly certain that appelbaum

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
Looking. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Dana wrote: > > I'm pretty sure that's been proven. If you're really interested I can > probably find you a reference on that. It would be on the DEFCON site if > you want to look yourself. > > On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:11 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > >

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Dana
by the way: http://www.johnpilger.com/articles/you-are-all-suspects-now-what-are-you-going-to-do-about-it that's the view from Australia. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:27 AM, Dana wrote: > I'm pretty sure that's been proven. If you're really interested I can > probably find you a reference on t

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Dana
I'm pretty sure that's been proven. If you're really interested I can probably find you a reference on that. It would be on the DEFCON site if you want to look yourself. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:11 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Throw in some TOR IRC chats just to prove it's not secure. > > This is

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread LRS Scout
Throw in some TOR IRC chats just to prove it's not secure. This is a great idea. On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > > > > It's all good people. If you're

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 9:45 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > It's all good people. If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing > to worry about, right? I say we start a stopwatch, buy a domain with a pre-paid credit card, setup google hosted, a few email addresses like Mr Black, Mr Whit

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Dana
t; From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:46 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret > > > Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret ( > http://rt.com/usa/news/court-nsa-google-a

RE: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread Eric Roberts
Talk about more fascist... -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:46 PM To: cf-community Subject: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret ( http

Re: Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-12 Thread PT
You sound like someone with something to hide. Do you have something to hide? This whole song and dance is asinine and a waste of time. By defending themselves for maybe or maybe not doing anything, the NSA might as well be standing in a public forum with a bullhorn screaming "Don't look at

Good News: Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret

2012-05-11 Thread Jerry Barnes
Court allows NSA and Google to keep their ties secret ( http://rt.com/usa/news/court-nsa-google-agency-053/ ) A federal appeals court has refused to force the US National Security Agency to explain any involvement it has had with Web giant Google, citing that a revelation could threaten the enti