RE: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-15 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: LRSScout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:37 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage > > I whole heartedly support gay marriage, across the board, at federal > level. >

RE: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-15 Thread LRSScout
wise, with that these days. > -Original Message- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:hofli...@depressedpress.com] > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 6:54 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage > > > -Original Message- > > From: Mary J

Re: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-15 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>It is absolutely a religious issue. There is no secular evidence that >homosexuality is a negative: That doesn't mean that there aren't still *plenty* of non-religious people that don't support gay marriage. In fact, the last guy I dated seriously was an agnostic and totally against any addit

Re: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-15 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
> How do you prove a negative? How do you prove that if you stop hating > gays that the world won't end? The "be quiet and we'll eventually get > used to you" method of achieving civil rights has never done anyone > any good. Oh come on, that was not what I said at all. But there's a big differen

RE: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-15 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:mary...@cfwebstore.com] > Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:38 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage > > >And that's kind of the point: marriage in this country can be a

Re: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-15 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > You can say that, and the gay community can say that, but clearly from the > ways the votes have done in these states, there's still a lot of paranoia, > and the gay community has not addressed it sufficiently enough to make people > co

Re: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-15 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>It's *primarily* a religious issue, because most of "moral outrage" >aimed at the gay community comes from gross misinterpretation of bible. I'd have to disagree with it being a "gross misintepretation" of the Bible. I think the Bible simply isn't clear on this topic and people can choose to i

Re: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-15 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>it's an obfuscation...to suggest that allowing equal treatment for a >lifestyle is the same as "mainstreaming" it. Perhapsbut that's what a great deal of the fear about it is. Heck, we haven't even gotten to the point where we allow someone to be openly gay in the military. And that as well

Re: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-15 Thread Scott Stewart
It's *primarily* a religious issue, because most of "moral outrage" aimed at the gay community comes from gross misinterpretation of bible. I think we've probably gone over this issue hundreds of times and the answer is simple. Break the marriage down to a simple written contract for cohabitatio

Re: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-15 Thread G Money
On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > Sorry but it's not that clearly a religious issue, although certainly most > of the strong support for a ban against gay marriage comes from the > religious right. But people often see it as a further erosion of the > traditional family, as

Re: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-15 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>And that's kind of the point: marriage in this country can be a completely >secular, non-religious affair. So how can we possibly justify refusing it >to any group of citizens for what is clearly and completely a religious >reason? Sorry but it's not that clearly a religious issue, although cer

RE: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-14 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Mary Jo Sminkey [mailto:mary...@cfwebstore.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:41 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage > > >So, IMO, you can't take the word marriage and give it only to one

Re: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-14 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>So, IMO, you can't take the word marriage and give it only to one sector of >the population. (although maybe it is the best idea yet) Well, the problem is that a large percentage of the population wants to do just that. That's why I say, okay, let them have the word, but give all the same right

Re: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-14 Thread Erika L. Walker
One of the definitions of "marry" means, to unite or join. You can marry two pieces of electrical wire together. You can marry two pieces of wood together, etc. Nothing about sex there. :) The word Marriage is a noun. 1 a (1)*:* the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husb

Re: Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-14 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>Great debate on Gay Marriage. Yeah, Jon Stewart definitely came off the better in that. He always impresses me with his ability to question guests on the show while still showing them respect. Maybe we should just agree to leave "marriage" as the term for a union between a man and woman and

Huckabee v Stewart: Gay Marriage

2008-12-11 Thread Gruss Gott
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=213349&title=mike-huckabee-pt.-2 Great debate on Gay Marriage. Of course my opinion is that Huckabee sounds like a very nice, but horribly misguided buffoon, and that the whole debate misses the point that subjective opinions should not be all