Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-06 Thread denstar
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 5:06 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Ah yes, Berkley, that commie liberal institution that employs...John Y" > > Hey!  I said Red Flag. > > While every visitor to the US from Palestine might not be a terrorist, I > would examine their credentials before I examined someone from

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-06 Thread Eric Roberts
Never know...them Icelanders, with the condition of their economy, might decide to go a viking again ;-) On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 7:06 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Ah yes, Berkley, that commie liberal institution that employs...John Y" > > Hey! I said Red Flag. > > While every visitor to the US

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-06 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Ah yes, Berkley, that commie liberal institution that employs...John Y" Hey! I said Red Flag. While every visitor to the US from Palestine might not be a terrorist, I would examine their credentials before I examined someone from Iceland. J - Nothing will take the place of persistence. Tale

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread denstar
Corporatism sounds more benign, so is probably more insidious. =) :Den -- It is the most sensual men who need to flee women and torment their bodies. Friedrich Nietzsche On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > You are thinking of corporatism Den, which is a synonym for fascism

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread Eric Roberts
You are thinking of corporatism Den, which is a synonym for fascism...just less of a charged term. Eric On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:55 PM, denstar wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > > > "I still think it's a meme." > > > > It's a book. With a Beck program, the aud

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "The link Judah posted made it look like chaff, yet you've been saying it's > wheat" > > How will you know without reading it yourself?  And, while Judah's linked > review is from a prominent scholar, I wouldn't say he is exactly non-biased.

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread denstar
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:32 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I still think it's a meme." > > It's a book.  With a Beck program, the audience is partly influenced by > emotion.  Much harder in a book. Books convey emotion wonderfully. Far better than video, IMO. I say the book is part of the meme be

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread Jerry Barnes
"All those years of bashing Bush, now they finally have what they wanted and realize it's a colossal failure. Many here take that personal so it's best not to mention politics at all." Part of being a modern day liberal is never having to admit you're wrong. Of course, that creates a lot of pen

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread Sam
All those years of bashing Bush, now they finally have what they wanted and realize it's a colossal failure. Many here take that personal so it's best not to mention politics at all. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 11:57 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Some people take it way to seriously.  When it devolves

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread Jerry Barnes
"The link Judah posted made it look like chaff, yet you've been saying it's wheat" How will you know without reading it yourself? And, while Judah's linked review is from a prominent scholar, I wouldn't say he is exactly non-biased. He has a competing view of fascism. He certainly doesn't want

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread Larry C. Lyons
If we're talking about assholes, well sam you've shown yourself to pe the prime one on this list. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Sam wrote: > > We just want to see which asshole would jump in and cry. > You win. > > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:42 AM, G Money wrote: >> >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 a

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread Sam
We just want to see which asshole would jump in and cry. You win. On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:42 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > >> >> why not. The biggest practitioner of the socalled eugenics was the >> National Socialist Party of Germany. They bas

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread G Money
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > why not. The biggest practitioner of the socalled eugenics was the > National Socialist Party of Germany. They based their stuff on the > Virginia laws. > > Also before you start touting how much of a left wing thing they are, > remember w

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread Larry C. Lyons
why not. The biggest practitioner of the socalled eugenics was the National Socialist Party of Germany. They based their stuff on the Virginia laws. Also before you start touting how much of a left wing thing they are, remember what was considered left wing, for instance the Fabian Socialists of

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread Sam
According to Larry Eugenics was a righty thing. You guys need to conference and get your stories straight. On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > items (like the fascination with Eugenics on the American Left in the > early part of the 20th century) and mixing in a bunch of c

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread Scott Stewart
Read Willam Gibson's Sprawl series to see what a "Corporate" future may look like On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:25 AM, denstar wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: >> >> "Kinda explains some .sigs I've seen recently that I didn't quite get tho... >> and where the surge in "e

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I still think it's a meme." It's a book. With a Beck program, the audience is partly influenced by emotion. Much harder in a book. "Ultimately it's probably the corporations behind it -- Big Money -- like a twisted version of the 'twilight bark'." Of course they are. They want to make mon

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-05 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I understand and admire that sentiment and try to follow it myself. In the case of Goldberg, however, I am all too familiar with his writing already and so just can't bring myself to read a whole book of it." One definitely has to choose which stuff from the "opposite" side to read. It would be

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-04 Thread denstar
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "But then again, that's pretty common with political mass marketed > literature, so I guess it shouldn't be surprising. Disappointing though." > > That's why everyone should read it or something like it: to sort the wheat > from chaff. The l

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-04 Thread denstar
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Kinda explains some .sigs I've seen recently that I didn't quite get tho... > and where the surge in "eugenic == progressive" meme is coming from." > > Sorry Den.   Most of the stuff I have been posting on eugenics have come > from a great b

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-04 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "But then again, that's pretty common with political mass marketed > literature, so I guess it shouldn't be surprising. Disappointing though." > > That's why everyone should read it or something like it: to sort the wheat > from chaff. > > I

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"But then again, that's pretty common with political mass marketed literature, so I guess it shouldn't be surprising. Disappointing though." That's why everyone should read it or something like it: to sort the wheat from chaff. It drains me to read some of the stuff I read (Al Gore's Assualt on

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-04 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > The book is "Liberal Fascism"  by Jonah Goldberg.  It is a great book.  I > highly recommend it for everyone who is interested in politics. I've read bits from it. I can't quite bring myself to bother checking it out from the library since

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"That's on my must read list, obviously :)" It is a very well written book meticulously researched and witty. Move it to the top of the list. Unfortunately, with its title, many people won't be able to give it a try. It's their loss. Just for those who are kind of curious, Goldberg does not tr

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-04 Thread Sam
That's on my must read list, obviously :) On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Kinda explains some .sigs I've seen recently that I didn't quite get tho... > and where the surge in "eugenic == progressive" meme is coming from." > > Sorry Den.   Most of the stuff I have been p

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-04 Thread Eric Roberts
liberal fascism LOL On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Kinda explains some .sigs I've seen recently that I didn't quite get > tho... > and where the surge in "eugenic == progressive" meme is coming from." > > Sorry Den. Most of the stuff I have been posting on eugenics

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-04 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Kinda explains some .sigs I've seen recently that I didn't quite get tho... and where the surge in "eugenic == progressive" meme is coming from." Sorry Den. Most of the stuff I have been posting on eugenics have come from a great book I just finished and follow up research. The book is "Liber

Re: Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-03 Thread denstar
On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/30/AR2010093005267.html > > Glenn Beck is obsessed with Hitler and Woodrow Wilson. (I'm just saying.) > By Dana Milbank ... Wow. Just wow. Kinda explains some .sigs I've seen r

Intesting Op Ed piece of Glenn Beck

2010-10-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/30/AR2010093005267.html Glenn Beck is obsessed with Hitler and Woodrow Wilson. (I'm just saying.) By Dana Milbank Sunday, October 3, 2010; B01 Glenn Beck, the conservative television and radio host, is an amateur historian. Very amateu