Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-19 Thread Robert Munn
i'm not in congress. On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Dana wrote: > wow showering money on the populace? He. Is that really how you see > yourself? lol. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic rele

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-19 Thread Dana
wow showering money on the populace? He. Is that really how you see yourself? lol. > Yes, basic infrastructure and caring for the needy are part of the bargain. > But we went past those goals decades ago. Now we're just drunk and showering > money on the populace. That's why we're slowly going bro

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-19 Thread Robert Munn
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > First off, this is two emails in a row denigrating poor kids. WTF? Why > the hate? I saw the same thing with welfare reform. "All the money is > going to irresponsible young black mothers who want to do crack and > not w

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-16 Thread denstar
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:52 AM, Vivec wrote: > The majority of Americans believe that the United States was founded > on individualism and self reliance. Ergo no one should pay to help > anyone else because they can't cut it, they should just die. Total BS man, that ergo is not the logical e

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-16 Thread Beth Fleischer
- Original Message - From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "cf-community" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Its not just about you >I am in favor of quality, no argument there. However, I am not aware > of any clinic funded with medi

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-16 Thread Dana
Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:15 AM > Subject: Re: Its not just about you > > >> in some places. As far as I can tell these are usually funded with >> state, local or private money. > > No, Medicaid is FEDERAL money funneled to the states. > the clinics that I speak

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-16 Thread Beth Fleischer
- Original Message - From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "cf-community" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: Its not just about you > in some places. As far as I can tell these are usually funded with > state, local or private money

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-16 Thread Maureen
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First off, this is two emails in a row denigrating poor kids. WTF? Why > the hate? I saw the same thing with welfare reform. "All the money is > going to irresponsible young black mothers who want to do crack and > not wo

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-16 Thread Dana
in some places. As far as I can tell these are usually funded with state, local or private money. Which does run out, so this is not a reliable startegy for addressing public health problems; more of an emergency stopgap. > This is NOT entirely true. We do already have socialized medicine for the

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-16 Thread Sam
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Judah McAuley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First off, this is two emails in a row denigrating poor kids. WTF? Why > the hate? I saw the same thing with welfare reform. "All the money is > going to irresponsible young black mothers who want to do crack and > not wo

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-16 Thread Beth Fleischer
- Original Message - From: "Vivec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "cf-community" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 2:52 AM Subject: Re: Its not just about you > Americans brand this thinking, and this social awareness that is found > in countries such as Canad

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-16 Thread Vivec
Americans brand this thinking, and this social awareness that is found in countries such as Canada, Britain, France, West Germany etc. as Socialist thinking. Socialist Thinking is akin to Communism, which is Evil. Therefore Socialist countries are Evil. Since most other developed countries in Euro

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-16 Thread denstar
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Beth In Alaska wrote: > Judah, > I love you. > seriously. No crap, right? Judah, you're my new hero. And it's not just the free-spirited sexuality. But that's pretty cool too. Props for not getting sucked into the false duality, too. I liked it (and agreed)

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-15 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Judah wrote: > >> All taxes are a redistribution of wealth. It is stupid to pretend >> otherwise. But it is the price of living in a civilization. >> > > That is not true. If I pay taxes to b

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-15 Thread Robert Munn
Wow, you've gone from libertarian to socialist in 6 months. So you no longer believe in the profit motive? We should all be happy that the Commisar doesn't send us to the frozen tundra of the north to scrape out a living among the buffalo? You have seriously lost it, man. On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-15 Thread Robert Munn
Immigration. In 2000, 21% of the population of California was born outside the United States: http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-34.pdf That number has only gone up. I would not be at all surprised to see 25% in the next census. I guess they all saw Baywatch. On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-15 Thread Beth In Alaska
> Taxes are a disincentive to work, but you have to look at comparative > incentives/disincentives to understand why it matters. California is a > very > high tax state. A lot of people move out of California to places like > Florida and New Hampshire because of the tax burden in California. This

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-15 Thread Beth In Alaska
esult of a huge number > of factors of which you and your hard work is only one. It depends on > the history of our nation, it depends on the natural resources of our > land, it depends on the education you received as a child, it depends > on the immunizations you got that were developed with

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-15 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Exactly. I am the beneficiary of a system of government and commerce > envisioned by our Founding Fathers, who generally believed that the result > of a man's labor should belong to him, not to the state. The problem with your rhetoric Robert is that's old. 20th century old. In

Re: Its not just about you

2008-10-15 Thread Robert Munn
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Judah wrote: > All taxes are a redistribution of wealth. It is stupid to pretend > otherwise. But it is the price of living in a civilization. > That is not true. If I pay taxes to build a bridge, I can drive over that bridge, so I benefit from my tax dollars. Tha

Its not just about you

2008-10-15 Thread Judah McAuley
received as a child, it depends on the immunizations you got that were developed with public funding, it depends on clean water, clean air and fertile land, it depends on the taxes paid out and invested for the generations before you. In short...its not just about you. You are the happy beneficiary