> Dana wrote:
> So yeah, if we have to have a fault it is his.
>
Scott was probably being a bit flippant, but gasoline is not a good
candidate for that because automotive fuel is a HUGE integral part of
energy policy and that's a must have 10 years ago.
For whatever reason that only Cheney and hi
eh. He stopped the farce of a trial going on at Guantanamo so there
are things that can be done in 24 hours. Which, by the way, was
absolutely the right thing to do.
He has to balance doing it right vs doing it fast and has apparently
chosen doing it right. Hopefully he does. But it *is* his choic
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > ChuckG wrote:
> > 'vagina'.
>
> Do you have a monologue you'd like to read?
>
I'm waiting for the movie.
--
I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my
wife. And I wish you my kind of success.
~~~
Vagina.
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From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:49 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Last words on Bush
Why was this post different?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Charlie Griefer
wrote:
> When
> I realized it wasn
Why was this post different?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Charlie Griefer
wrote:
> When
> I realized it wasn't (didn't make much sense in context), I stopped caring.
>
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> ChuckG wrote:
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I started reading Gruss' answer, and thought 'vagaries' was 'vagina'. When
I realized it wasn't (didn't make much sense in context), I stopped caring.
Not a reflection on the quality of the response. Just sayin' :)
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > SS wrote:
> > I was jus
> SS wrote:
> A well thought out response. However, I would disagree its Obama's 'fault'
> only 24 hours into his presidency.
>
Well it is, in that energy is a HUGE priority. Our top priorities,
national and economic security, depend on it.
Basically what Obama has decided to do nothing for the
A well thought out response. However, I would disagree its Obama's 'fault'
only 24 hours into his presidency.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > SS wrote:
> > I was just wondering who, in Gruss' Laws of Responsibility, would be to
> > blame.
> >
>
> Well, if you want the ful
> SS wrote:
> I was just wondering who, in Gruss' Laws of Responsibility, would be to
> blame.
>
Well, if you want the full answer ...
Normally I'd say the vagaries of the normal fuel supply chain.
However with oil there's the gov't manipulation that we know about
such as taxes, refining capacit
You assume there was a certain anwer that I wanted to hear, whic is false.
I was just wondering who, in Gruss' Laws of Responsibility, would be to
blame.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > Scott wrote:
> > Nice..at least you are consistent.
> >
>
> Actually I was just provin
> Scott wrote:
> Nice..at least you are consistent.
>
Actually I was just proving to you that torture doesn't work.
You see puerile questions are a form of torture and I was responding
to your torture by giving you the answer that torture always results
in: the one you want to hear.
The real ans
Nice..at least you are consistent.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > Scott wrote:
> > Gas went up $0.05 by me today. Jsut so I knwo who to be pissed at, whose
> > fault is it?
> >
>
> Obama's.
>
>
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> Scott wrote:
> Gas went up $0.05 by me today. Jsut so I knwo who to be pissed at, whose
> fault is it?
>
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Gas went up $0.05 by me today. Jsut so I knwo who to be pissed at, whose
fault is it?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > RoMunn wrote:
> > That is not totally accurate. If your wife racks up huge credit card
> bills
> > to ruin your credit prior to divorce proceedings, you c
> RoMunn wrote:
> That is not totally accurate. If your wife racks up huge credit card bills
> to ruin your credit prior to divorce proceedings, you can have your credit
> separated from hers and you can be shielded from her misdeeds.
>
Maybe, maybe not, but then that'd be what you're suing for.
That is not totally accurate. If your wife racks up huge credit card bills
to ruin your credit prior to divorce proceedings, you can have your credit
separated from hers and you can be shielded from her misdeeds.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Gruss G wrote:
> > Dino wrote:
> > It's her call an
> Dino wrote:
> It's her call and I'll back her up. If I was available, we would probably
> talk about it. And we keep each other in the loop.
>
For my wife and I, and according to the law, whatever decision she
would make I am responsible for. Credit, for example.
This is where you can see the
It's her call and I'll back her up. If I was available, we would probably
talk about it. And we keep each other in the loop.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > Dino wrote:
> > joint decisions. We also make individual decisions. We take
> responsibility
> > for what we do both
> Dino wrote:
> joint decisions. We also make individual decisions. We take responsibility
> for what we do both individually and as a couple.
> I guess that's the point. We take responsibility.
>
So if you're unavailable and Judith makes a medical call with your
child's doctor without consulting
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Well I am and my and I hold ourselves 100% responsible and accountable for
> everything that happens. That way we each get a back-up and there's no
> blame-game.
Ourselves as individual responsibility? As in your actions are your own? My
argu
> Dino wrote:
> You must not be married if you don't know that marriage is a partnership.
> Leadership does not mean alone and does not mean all powerful.
>
Well I am and my and I hold ourselves 100% responsible and accountable
for everything that happens. That way we each get a back-up and
there
Only place to go is down :)
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Well, the rest of America disagrees with you:
>
> Obama enters his presidency with higher poll numbers than any
> president at any time in this country's history. In recent times, only
> Bush 41 and Bush 43 had highe
I see it as a stupid one.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Vivec wrote:
> So you do not see that this election,and the choice that America made was a
> historic one?
>
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > Dino wrote:
> > So your take is that we elect a fall guy rather than a manager. We
> > definitely have a difference of opinion.
> >
>
> You continue to confuse blame ("it's his fault") with responsibility.
And you continue to assign respons
> Dino wrote:
> What we've seen of the Obamas is a very carefully packaged except of their
> lives which blunts their bad points and exemplifies their good. That's
> called packaging and its what celebrities are known for.
Interesting you'd say that given there are multiple books of his life
you c
> Dino wrote:
> So your take is that we elect a fall guy rather than a manager. We
> definitely have a difference of opinion.
>
You continue to confuse blame ("it's his fault") with responsibility.
E.g:
* Is Bush responsible for Katrina? No. Is he responsible for the
government's response? Y
We had 2 choices, America chose one. Same way its been for a long, long
time.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Vivec wrote:
> So you do not see that this election,and the choice that America made was a
> historic one?
>
> 2009/1/20 Scott Stroz
>
> > Sorry, I don't see this that 'America decid
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > Dino wrote:
> > He IS a shiny new thing. He's a new president. He's the first black
> > president.
>
> He is, and if we must have celebrities in life I'm glad it's as good as
> role models as Barak and Michele Obama.
I'm not going into the
> Dino wrote:
> He IS a shiny new thing. He's a new president. He's the first black
> president.
He is, and if we must have celebrities in life I'm glad it's as good
as role models as Barak and Michele Obama.
Government is a creation of Man and while you and I disagree on this,
the State of our U
That's what I mean. I don't have a way with words like most do.
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Dinowitz"
To: "cf-community"
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:57 PM
Subject: Re: Last words on Bush
> He IS a shiny new thing. He's a new presi
He IS a shiny new thing. He's a new president. He's the first black
president. He's a popular president (but not more popular than say Jonny
Depp).
He's just not a cornerstone of America shiny new thing.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Bruce Sorge wrote:
> Wow, someone who sees past the 'shiny
Wow, someone who sees past the 'shiny new thing' factor. Well put Michal,
well put.
Bruce
- Original Message -
From: "Michael Dinowitz"
To: "cf-community"
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: Last words on Bush
> Saying that America d
What happens when the buck stops before here? I'm not being facetious.
Truman didn't pass the buck - the responsibility - for how the country was
governed but not every buck got to his level nor did he control every buck.
He just accepted responsibility. He was a better person than most.
The buck
Saying that America decided to believe in itself means that America didn't
believe in itself before Obama and that has no truth to it at all. We might
not like policies of the government, we might not like its direction in some
things, but we believe in it. We support it. We don't want it to go awa
I never said he was a good president. I'm just not happy with the whole
"it's all his fault" mentality I'm seeing. He didn't personally trash the
economy. He may have contributed and was the president on watch but it was
started well before him and was continued in places outside his area of
direct
> Scott wrote:
> Sorry, I don't see this that 'America decided that it believed in itself
> after all'.
Well, the rest of America disagrees with you:
Obama enters his presidency with higher poll numbers than any
president at any time in this country's history. In recent times, only
Bush 41 and Bu
So you do not see that this election,and the choice that America made was a
historic one?
2009/1/20 Scott Stroz
> Sorry, I don't see this that 'America decided that it believed in itself
> after all'. All America did was choose one guy over another, somethign
> that
> happens every 4 years for
Sorry, I don't see this that 'America decided that it believed in itself
after all'. All America did was choose one guy over another, somethign that
happens every 4 years for over 200 years.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Dana wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Despite I deep respect for you personally,
Michael,
Despite I deep respect for you personally, you are totally wrong on
this. I don't hate Bush and I don't think Gruss does. I think he was a
bad president not because I don't like him but because he trampled the
constitution, trashed the economy, and blew off the rest of the world.
I am ama
"The Buck Stops Here"
Harry Truman
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Michael Dinowitz
wrote:
> No, I'm suffering from TAS - true accountability syndrome. This is where no
> single person or group has TOTAL accountability when they are not TOTALLY in
> charge. As the article shows, it is imposs
I'm on my second glass of wine, terrible, horrible cold mixed with
ibuprofren and cough drops (not conducive to the taste of wine to start
with), and that still wasn't funny ...
Ok. So it was mildly amusing.
I'm glad it was spit through my nose funny. At this particular point, that
would of been
Ha, even sober that's pretty good.
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:charlie.grie...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:10 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Last words on Bush
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Michael Grant [Modus IS]
wrote:
>
> So
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Michael Grant [Modus IS]
wrote:
>
> So ya, there's my Sunday dinner with the all the family and too much vino
> with the roast beef rant.
Q: what's the difference between roast beef and pea soup?
A: anyone can roast beef.
if the vino's still in effect, that'
As a new guy, and not overly informed, I doubt my 0.02 matters much. But
since I have a keyboard in front of me, a glass of wine, and ten working
digits I might as well state it anyway.
I'm normally with Gruss with most things anti-bush, but I have to agree with
Michael Dino a lot here. Firstly w
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > Dino wrote:
> > No, I'm suffering from TAS - true accountability syndrome.
>
> Leadership is accepting true accountability; probably much like you do
> with the state of your family.
You must not be married if you don't know that marriage i
> Dino wrote:
> No, I'm suffering from TAS - true accountability syndrome.
Leadership is accepting true accountability; probably much like you do
with the state of your family.
I think you (and many) are confusing explanation-of-why with blame.
Bush - and soon Obama - are fully accountable for
You offer no evidence, merely your continue whining about how it's all
Bush's fault. If you can't come off it, I for one am filtering you out,
because I'm tired of the broken record.
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Gruss G wrote:
>
>
> A responsible leader accepts responsibility for decisions.
No, I'm suffering from TAS - true accountability syndrome. This is where no
single person or group has TOTAL accountability when they are not TOTALLY in
charge. As the article shows, it is impossible to assign total
accountability to Bush for all the things you want to. Your argument that
its all h
> Dino wrote:
> But its still Bush's fault. Right?
>
You are suffering from ADS: accountability denial syndrome.
This is a condition where one attempts to deny personal accountability
for human created problems by devising and communicating reasons why
they are not accountable for them.
The auth
But its still Bush's fault. Right?
HANSON: Who's to blame?
Victor Davis Hanson
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/dec/14/whos-to-blame/
When someone screams about a terrible policy of the present administration,
just pose four questions --
(1) Was the controversial decision taken with bipa
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