Latest studies show crashes do not reduce with cell phone bans.

2011-12-20 Thread Vivec
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/19/auto-insurance-researchers-cell-phone-bans-dont-help-reduce-c/ Finally some empirical evidence that these bans don't stop crashes. The IIHS (funded by a group of car insurers) compared crash data between states that had instituted cell phone bans and those

Re: Latest studies show crashes do not reduce with cell phone bans.

2011-12-20 Thread Tony
it's cause no one pays attn to that and many other silly laws. anti- marijuana legislation hasn't slowed it down either same shit diff liberty they wanna take away On Tuesday, December 20, 2011, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Latest studies show crashes do not reduce with cell phone bans.

2011-12-20 Thread Medic
Here at home we've actually seen accidents go up since the law. The reason is that now people don't put the cell up by their eye-line, but try to hold it down to hide it and now have to look that much further away from the road. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Latest studies show crashes do not reduce with cell phone bans.

2011-12-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
All but a few of the bans make it a secondary offense - the police cannot stop the drivers just for being on the cell alone. It has to be done in conjunction with other driving offenses. I would be much more interested in the results if it were a primary offense instead, then see the differences.

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2011-12-20 Thread Cameron Childress
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: All but a few of the bans make it a secondary offense - the police cannot stop the drivers just for being on the cell alone. I'd be interested in a study of cell phone data based on speed, location, and direction

Re: Latest studies show crashes do not reduce with cell phone bans.

2011-12-20 Thread Medic
In Ontario it's an offence you can be pulled over for alone. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: All but a few of the bans make it a secondary offense - the police cannot stop the drivers just for being on the cell alone. It has to be done in

Re: Latest studies show crashes do not reduce with cell phone bans.

2011-12-20 Thread William Bowen
In Ontario it's an offence you can be pulled over for alone. Washington State, too. $200+ fine. -- will If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable. - Carrie Fisher ~| Order the

Re: Latest studies show crashes do not reduce with cell phone bans.

2011-12-20 Thread Judah McAuley
Ah, that's cool. I didn't know they had changed it from a secondary offense to a primary. Looks like they changed that in 2010, good for them. I'm all in favor of individual states doing things their own way, by and large, but it is nice when driving-related laws are uniform so you know what the

Re: Latest studies show crashes do not reduce with cell phone bans.

2011-12-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
So it becomes a relatively easy test. compare rates before and after in those states. Also compare those rates with nearby states and provinces that do not make it a primary offense. If there are any differences then that could show it. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Judah McAuley

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2011-12-20 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: So it becomes a relatively easy test. compare rates before and after in those states. Also compare those rates with nearby states and provinces that do not make it a primary offense. If there are any differences then

Re: Latest studies show crashes do not reduce with cell phone bans.

2011-12-20 Thread Larry C. Lyons
With careful coding that can be taken into account using a multivariate analysis or an ANCOVA. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Casey Dougall ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: So it becomes a relatively easy