Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-29 Thread G Money
Kimmell has a soft place in my heart, going back to the Man Show days. I mean...girls on trampolines...can't beat that. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Sam wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > For me Kimmell is very hit or miss. Some stuff is worse than any

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-29 Thread Sam
On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > For me Kimmell is very hit or miss. Some stuff is worse than anything > SNL puts out, but some of it is pure genius. I agree. They started doing the ad in the beginning and that's pure SNL garbage. I scrip passed that. > My favorite segme

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-29 Thread Scott Stroz
For me Kimmell is very hit or miss. Some stuff is worse than anything SNL puts out, but some of it is pure genius. My favorite segment is something like 'inappropriate censorship' where they have famous people speaking (mostly politicians) and they put 'beeps' in at places where, with the beep, i

RE: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-29 Thread Sisk, Kris
tCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010 The only thing voters should be told by a candidate are: 1. What have they done to gain experience that makes them a good fit for the position to which they are seeking election; 2. What they plan to do if they get elected; 3. Where they stand on issue

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-29 Thread Sam
1.7 million viewers. Not bad. I like the show occasionally, can't stand Letterman anymore, Leno always sucked. Conan? Why was he on TV? I was joking anyway, he was in the news. I'm sure of it. On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:25 AM, Maureen wrote: > > His show is on ABC.  That's about as major as me

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Maureen
His show is on ABC. That's about as major as media gets. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:44 PM, Sam wrote: > > I don't think many people watch him. > Certainly not major media. > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Maureen wrote: >> >> Jimmy Kimmel, last I checked was on TV.  TV = Media >> >> On Thu

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Sam
m: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:52 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010 > > > Alvin Greene is his na ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Antholo

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Sam
I don't think many people watch him. Certainly not major media. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 11:47 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Jimmy Kimmel, last I checked was on TV.  TV = Media > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> Probably Jimmy Kimmel, it was like two months ago. >> Ions in cybernews

RE: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Eric Roberts
pretty much a crock of shit. Kieth was the first to even talk about him. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 8:52 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010 Alvin Greene is his name On Thu, Oct

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Maureen
I watched from "very close" while the events discussed in that ad were happening. Offlist, I'll tell you why I find that ad to be totally laughable. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > what you didn't like the demon sheep ad? > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRY7wBuCcBY

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Maureen
Jimmy Kimmel, last I checked was on TV. TV = Media On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Sam wrote: > > Probably Jimmy Kimmel, it was like two months ago. > Ions in cybernews years > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Maureen wrote: >> >> You don't even know the guy's name, but you've seen an ad by

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Larry C. Lyons
what you didn't like the demon sheep ad? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRY7wBuCcBY On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Here's my favorite political ad from the California governors race: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctTuJ65et0E > > "Just buy me a sun dress and put me in

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Sam
Alvin Greene is his name On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > You talking about the vet that is going against DeMint that seems to have > come about the money to run out of nowhere?  Kinda heavy set black guy? ~~

RE: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Eric Roberts
: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010 His opponent mentioned it in an ad? On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Maureen wrote: > > If the media hasn't mentioned it because he's a Dem, how do you know about it? > ~~~

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Sam
Probably Jimmy Kimmel, it was like two months ago. Ions in cybernews years On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Maureen wrote: > > You don't even know the guy's name, but you've seen an ad by his > opponent?  Do you live in South Carolina?  If not, where did you see > the ad, and how did you find ou

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Maureen
You don't even know the guy's name, but you've seen an ad by his opponent? Do you live in South Carolina? If not, where did you see the ad, and how did you find out about it? On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Sam wrote: > > His opponent mentioned it in an ad? > > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:40

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Sam
His opponent mentioned it in an ad? On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Maureen wrote: > > If the media hasn't mentioned it because he's a Dem, how do you know about it? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.a

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Maureen
If the media hasn't mentioned it because he's a Dem, how do you know about it? On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Sam wrote: > > What about the felon that won the primary? He sure as hell isn't going > to mention it and since he's a dem the media wouldn't mention it. > > On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7:

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Sam
Obama would have lost He had no past and ran against Bush and Palin. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > The only thing voters should be told by a candidate are: 1. What have > they done to gain experience that makes them a good fit for the > position to which they are seek

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Sam
What about the felon that won the primary? He sure as hell isn't going to mention it and since he's a dem the media wouldn't mention it. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I think that you should be banned from mentioning your opponent in any > ads. I don't want to know abou

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Judah McAuley
Ideally, but that would require a system that actually worked that way. If we could have mandatory candidate questionnaires that then got given out to all the voters and we could easily fire an elected official based off of lies/omissions/etc on the survey, then yeah, that might work. As it is, I

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Maureen
To use the analogy of a job interview, don't you think it is up to the voter to do background checks and check references before hiring the candidate? On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I can see this from a job interview sort of point of view. We, as > voters, are interv

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > The only thing voters should be told by a candidate are: 1. What have > they done to gain experience that makes them a good fit for the > position to which they are seeking election; 2. What they plan to do > if they get elected; 3. Where th

RE: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Eric Roberts
bwahahaha -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:39 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010 Damn you...I was just going to reply with something along those lines On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Maureen
Pretty sure the media would take care of notification of any felon who is running, along with any misdemeanors like a spit-ball fight in five grade. They are much more about spreading the dirt than discussing the issues. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I understand thi

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Scott Stroz
For the record, I don't think anyone _should_ tell the voters that one of the candidates running for office is a life long felon. Again, if someone wants to know, they can easily find out through public records. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I understand this positio

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Maureen
Here's my favorite political ad from the California governors race: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctTuJ65et0E "Just buy me a sun dress and put me in a Prius!" On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Pretty sure I know who I would vote for based on that clip...and I > don't

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Scott Stroz
The only thing voters should be told by a candidate are: 1. What have they done to gain experience that makes them a good fit for the position to which they are seeking election; 2. What they plan to do if they get elected; 3. Where they stand on issues that are important to voters. Period. If th

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Scott Stroz
Pretty sure I know who I would vote for based on that clip...and I don't care that I have no idea where each stands on what issues. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Some of the ads running out here never mention the candidate they are > for except in the "I approved this" line

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Judah McAuley
I understand this position and can see the appeal. What I'm trying to find out though is who, exactly, should tell the voters that one of the people running for the office is a life long felon with a rap sheet a mile long. I'd argue that *someone* should mention it. If you agree that voters should

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Scott Stroz
ursday, October 28, 2010 6:19 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010 > > > If your opponent had pertinent information about their background, say > Michael Vick runs for office and we think it is important to mention > that he has an animal ab

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Maureen
Some of the ads running out here never mention the candidate they are for except in the "I approved this" line at the end. The result being I end up knowing more about their opponent that I do them, which is nice when their opponent has the same positions on the issues that I do. Did you see the

RE: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Eric Roberts
I suppose, if he is running for animal catcher... -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 6:19 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010 If your opponent had pertinent information about their

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Maureen
I think it would be ok to say Michael Vick was convicted of animal cruelty..but that is not the way a current candidate would say it. They would say something like "A million animals were killed this week. Michael Vick supports animal cruelty". The distortion of the second example is what needs

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Scott Stroz
I don't care if I am running against a life long felon with a rap sheet a mile long, none of my television ads nor mailings should be allowed to mention them or anything they may have done. They should only be allowed to mention what I have done/will do in the position to which I am seeking to be

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Judah McAuley
If your opponent had pertinent information about their background, say Michael Vick runs for office and we think it is important to mention that he has an animal abuse background, should the opponent not get to mention that? Would you leave it to outside groups but not allow the candidate? Should

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Scott Stroz
I think that you should be banned from mentioning your opponent in any ads. I don't want to know about them, I wan tot know about you. On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Maureen wrote: > > I've been advocating that for years. > > If a politician lies while campaigning, they should be removed from

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Maureen
I've been advocating that for years. If a politician lies while campaigning, they should be removed from the ballot. All campaign ads should be vetted for truth and absence of spin and disinformation before being allowed on the air. If they lie after elected, they should be removed from office.

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> I would love to see an obsessively honest and fair group emerge, whose only > driving purpose is truth and impartiality, like a modern priesthood of > truth. > > Then turn those folk loose on politicians. Anyone found lying would be > instantly disqualified from office. > > A. C'mon, imagine

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread G Money
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > Yeah, they both are lying sacks of excrement. > > How does that help me, again? > > I would love to see an obsessively honest and fair group emerge, whose only > driving purpose is truth and impartiality, like a modern priesthood of > tru

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Jerry Johnson
Yeah, they both are lying sacks of excrement. How does that help me, again? I would love to see an obsessively honest and fair group emerge, whose only driving purpose is truth and impartiality, like a modern priesthood of truth. Then turn those folk loose on politicians. Anyone found lying wou

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread denstar
I think that saying the two parties are basically the same is a false equivalence. It's a way of excusing actions that really are a little more lame than other actions. It sucks that there are "sides" to things, but here we are. Forced to choose. And like Rush says, even not making a choice is

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread G Money
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:19 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote: > > This paragraph sums the entire article up for me nicely: > "Republicans accused Democrats of favoring cuts in Medicare benefits, > while Democrats claimed their opponents would cut Social Security > benefits. Republicans accused Democ

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
This paragraph sums the entire article up for me nicely: "Republicans accused Democrats of favoring cuts in Medicare benefits, while Democrats claimed their opponents would cut Social Security benefits. Republicans accused Democrats of planning to unleash a huge tax increase on ordinary families a

Re: FactCheck.org Campaign Whoppers of 2010

2010-10-28 Thread Jerry Johnson
How much better would that whole post been without the "especially" phrase? On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > http://factcheck.org/2010/10/whoppers-of-campaign-2010/ > > An interesting set, especially the ones from the Republicans. Simply > shameless some of these ads.