Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-17 Thread PT
Um ... no. There is a reason this task was delegated to congress to begin with. I don't know if they think this is a good idea, or if they are just too afraid of the consequences of having to decide something like that. "Let HIM take the blame. We don't want the responsibility." It's probabl

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-17 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > BTW, current law is a cop can walk up and beat the crap out of you > then charge you with resisting arrest. They don't even need an initial > charge that you were resisting. > Could be blocking a punch by an officer for all the courts care. > Unless there are witnesses or video an

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-17 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > and so the march toward a globalized corporate police state goes ... > OR even better... Congress To Vote On Declaration of Worldwide Perpetual War With No Borders And No Clear Enemies The legislation authorizes the President of the Unite

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-17 Thread Robert Munn
and so the march toward a globalized corporate police state goes ... On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Any one in the White House is under control of the Corporate > overlords, regardless of political party. The so-called partisan > bickering is spin to make you think you hav

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-17 Thread Sam
If he broke into my house I'd kill him and ask questions later. . On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Jacob wrote: > > Would you put up a fight with someone that has a gun, baton, mace, and > taser? I would not.  Rather have it played out in court versus on the > street. I would be on the losing e

RE: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-17 Thread Jacob
: Monday, May 16, 2011 12:29 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment If an officer asks you to enter your home and you say yes then it's a legal search. If you say no and he kicks in the door do you just pull down your pants and grab your ankles? With this ne

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-16 Thread Jerry Barnes
Justice David:* "We believe a right to resist an unlawful police entry into a home is against public policy and is incompatible with modern Fourth Amendment jurisprudence" *Hmmm. The old "modern" fourth amendment jurisprudence. Very much like the living and breathing document crowd.* ** *J -

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-16 Thread Sam
BTW, current law is a cop can walk up and beat the crap out of you then charge you with resisting arrest. They don't even need an initial charge that you were resisting. Could be blocking a punch by an officer for all the courts care. . On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:59 PM, Jacob wrote: > > Have t

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-16 Thread Sam
If an officer asks you to enter your home and you say yes then it's a legal search. If you say no and he kicks in the door do you just pull down your pants and grab your ankles? With this new law they don't even have to ask, they are free to enter any home anytime. No announcements necessary. Sc

RE: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-16 Thread Jacob
Have to be careful when resisting an illegal detention/arrest/search etc... If the detention/arrest/search is illegal, it wont be determined until probably months down the line in the courts. That decision wont be made while the police are at your door step. You may think it is illegal, but the

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread Maureen
y > Subject: RE: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment > > > No kidding!  Just look at the "republican" in the white house right now that > re-authorized it.. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

RE: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread Eric Roberts
A lot of times, I am thinking that we do have a republican in the White House... -Original Message- From: Jeff Garza [mailto:j...@garzasixpack.com] Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 07:50 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment No kidding! Just look at

RE: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread Jeff Garza
No kidding! Just look at the "republican" in the white house right now that re-authorized it... -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 4:38 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment if

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread Robert Munn
if you think only the republicans are in on this one, you had better look around ... On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > 9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to the republicans and their > fascist masters. >

RE: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread Eric Roberts
9/11 was the best thing that ever happened to the republicans and their fascist masters. -Original Message- From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 02:08 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment They are thinking

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread Robert Munn
They are thinking that Americans accepted the police state after 9/11 and they want to push the boundaries before people figure out WTF is really going on. Remember those FEMA camps? Why haven't they been mothballed? Bin Laden is dead, the War on Terror is over. The Arab Spring conquered Al Qaeda,

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
"WTF are they thinking?" Government knows best. J - Not only have intellectuals been insulated from material consequences, they have often enjoyed immunity from even a loss of reputation after having been demonstrably wrong - Thomas Sowell We are for SOCIALISM, disarmament, and ultimately fo

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread Casey Dougall
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Vivec wrote: > > So really. > > what DID you do to get SWAT on your doorstep? :) > Nothing... It was nuts! I guess going back and thinking about it, could have been connected to our use of turntables and loud speakers at odd hours of the night ;-) P.L.U.R. ~~

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread Vivec
So really. what DID you do to get SWAT on your doorstep? :) On 14 May 2011 13:31, K-Sea - dvsDJTV.com wrote: > It was nuts; Just to run our id's, like a line out of star wars... > These aren't the droids your looking for. > > I almost shat my pants; A whole courtyard full of cops; Hiding behin

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread K-Sea - dvsDJTV.com
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Jeff Garza wrote: > > Good for you and your buddy!  Cops are like vampires... They can't come in > if you don't invite them (officiall warrants not withstanding). > > Always remember, say nothing but the minimum you have to when dealing with > the cops, do not giv

RE: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread Jeff Garza
least one of the parties knows its being recorded. You are one of the parties. ;-) -Original Message- From: K-Sea - dvsDJTV.com [mailto:k-...@dvsdjtv.com] Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 9:56 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment On Sat, May 14

RE: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread Jeff Garza
Oh come on Sam... You should know that if you are doing nothing wrong, then you have nothing to hide, right? Now, where are those troops I was suggested/asked/told I had to quarter... ;-) In all truth though, this is just another step in the expansion of the police state... Police actions are b

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread K-Sea - dvsDJTV.com
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Sam wrote: > > WTF are they thinking. > > http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_ec169697-a19e-525f-a532-81b3df229697.html > Dam, that sucks! I can see the rate of crime due to illegal entry by burglars saying they are cops just go through

Re: Indiana says bye-bye to fourth ammendment

2011-05-14 Thread Vivec
Let's hope they don't outlaw the appeal process either, which I hope happens in this case. On 14 May 2011 12:34, Sam wrote: > > WTF are they thinking. > > > http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_ec169697-a19e-525f-a532-81b3df229697.html > > ~