RE: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:10 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty > > > Unpredictability does have the benefit of keeping people on their toes. &

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread William Bowen
> Unpredictability does have the benefit of keeping people on their toes. Wouldn't this logic apply to a law requiring that everyone keep their head lower than a certain height? Let's say that those that don't will be randomly shot. Now, not everyone keeping their head above a certain height wil

RE: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: William Bowen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 4:13 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty > > My main problem with the death penalty is this exactly: Again - I'm not sa

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread William Bowen
My main problem with the death penalty is this exactly: > Imagine two criminals, one from the 1850's and one from now: > "You steal that horse and you'll be hanged by dinner time!" Well, I'll overlook the fact that you're comparing lynch mobs to a criminal court system, but okay... With our pr

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> John wrote: > Whole heartedly agree. I could dream up some doozies, and wouldnt > lose much sleep seeing those applied to the likes of the Polly Klaas killer, > and others in their ilk. > While I understand this, it always strikes me as similar to striking someone in anger. Emotionally it fee

RE: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread John Stanley
>>Personally, for the real monsters amongst us, I don't see anything wrong >>with a little cruel and unusual punishment. But I simply don't see a >>relatively peaceful death as a very harsh punishment. Whole heartedly agree. I could dream up some doozies, and wouldnt lose much sleep seeing those

RE: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 1:07 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty > > I got no problem with the death penalty. However, I disagree with some of > the pro-DP ar

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread Jerry Johnson
It certainly is a deterrent. That particular person will never again commit a crime. It deters them! Jerry Johnson Web Developer Dolan Media Company >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/02/05 01:07PM >>> No way will you convince me that the death penalty is a deterrant, for instance. ~

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread Paul Ihrig
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Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread G
> > If you're for the death penalty then I think there are plenty of cases > when it should be used and the measuring stick shoudl be > sophistication. For example, the Lee Malvo case. If you're smart > enough to plan and execute a series of murders of then you're adult > enough to get the death

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Brian wrote: > Perhaps the law should/could be re-written so that crimes committed before > the age of 18, are eligible to be tried in the juvenile system. Whereas all > crimes committed after that age, are not. Each case could then be judged on > an individual basis, taking into consideration wh

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread G
Age limitations have always kind of puzzled me. According to the law, you are a minor until you turn 18. Before this age, any crimes you commit are supposed to be handled by a juvenile court, where the penalties are tempered by the supposition that the defendant's relative young age shields the

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread Gruss Gott
> Adam wrote: > I don't advocate the death penalty really but if we are going to have > it how can be be so dead set on the age 18? I guess I agree with Justice O'Connor that each case should be taken on its own merits, but overall if you're going to sanction killing people what's the difference i

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-02 Thread Adam Churvis
> Oh jeeze... we can't execute toddlers, we can't execute retards, we can't > execute foreigners, we can't execute the insane - pretty soon we'll only be > able to execute competent, hardened criminals. And what fun is that? Yeah, but... what about insane foreign retarded toddlers who kill? Certa

RE: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-01 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 12:03 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty > > "Only seven countries other than the United States have executed > juve

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-01 Thread Kevin Graeme
"Only seven countries other than the United States have executed juvenile offenders since 1990, he said. They are Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of Congo and China" http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20050302/ts_nm/court_execution_juven

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-01 Thread Tony Weeg
if its not blanket, i wonder why they are not re-trying malvo in the sniper case? tony On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 19:30:12 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I read it very differently. In the decision, they specifically make > reference to the laws in 30 states that forbid the execusion

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-01 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I read it very differently. In the decision, they specifically make reference to the laws in 30 states that forbid the execusion of minors. Nothing about those raised from that status after a court hearing. Chances are the SCOTUS would allow such executions given the case by case nature of the dec

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-01 Thread Adam Haskell
The way I read it is tried as an adult or not if you are under 18 when you commit the crime you can not be setenced to death Adam H On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:17:42 -0500, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So what will happen is that the prosecution will have to work a bit > harder to

Re: Juvenile Killers no more death penalty

2005-03-01 Thread Larry C. Lyons
So what will happen is that the prosecution will have to work a bit harder to have the perp raised to adult status, then they can initiate a death penalty case. larry On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:13:18 -0500, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2005/03/01/politics/01cnd-sco