On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Vivec wrote:
> Will we ever know the truth?
We will never even get in the same vicinity as the truth.
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http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/06/26/jackson.presley.blog/index.html
" Presley -- the daughter of Elvis, the "King of Rock," and the
ex-wife of Jackson, the "King of Pop" -- wrote on her MySpace page
that she wanted "to say now what I have never said before because I
want the truth out
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Maureen wrote:
> He must have been in some intense pain if he was getting Demerol
> injections on a daily basis.
Or had a heavy addiction
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On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Ian Skinner wrote:
> It is probably important to seperate the debate into "What can the
> Internet" as a whole can handle, what would bring down the entire
> internet or at least large sections of it. From the different focus of
> "What can a highly used address"
Dr. Who wrote:
> it can certainly handle a could thousand strippers with web cams. so
> can it handle cnn and fox..
> i would say sure...
It is probably important to seperate the debate into "What can the
Internet" as a whole can handle, what would bring down the entire
internet or at least la
it can certainly handle a could thousand strippers with web cams. so
can it handle cnn and fox..
i would say sure...
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Vivec wrote:
> Check a news site online...right now they are all flooded.
Here is the debate I truly find interesting. What does yesterday's
passing of MJ truly tell us about the capabilities of the Internet
supplanting older information distribution channels. Is this going to
get worse befo
In 1985, I nearly died from a shot of Demerol given in an emergency
room. It can kill quickly.
He must have been in some intense pain if he was getting Demerol
injections on a daily basis.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Welp:
>
> 'A close member of Michael Jackson's famil
> gg wrote:
> The lawyers are beginning their analysis:
>
> A. Criminal liability is the big concern if there was one doctor
> prescribing a bucket load of drugs
> C. The kids will pursue a wrongful death case (via their guardian,
> whoever it may be) only if: Jackson failed to provide for them; t
> gg wrote:
> Yeah ... whoa. 50 is kinda young for a heart attack ... I wonder if
> it was suicide?
>
The lawyers are beginning their analysis:
A. Criminal liability is the big concern if there was one doctor
prescribing a bucket load of drugs to Jackson without having the nerve
to cut off the
dont forget Maureen.. the coverage is pre recorded...
every one dies...
so most stuff on the tube is pre set...
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Maureen wrote:
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> Yeah..but the kids never said it, only their "extremely' greedy
> parents, one of whom stated after the settlement that she would st
Yeah..but the kids never said it, only their "extremely' greedy
parents, one of whom stated after the settlement that she would still
allow her kids to go and visit, because Michael was such a good
friend.
As for criminal charges, he was found not guilty of all charges.
We eat our own in this co
Scott Stroz wrote:
> ... skeletons in his closet and now that
> he is dead, I'd bet some of them start to fall out.
That I agree is a true and likely statement.
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Scott Stroz wrote:
> Here is how I look at it. He and his handlers had to know that his
> rep would get tarnished by offering a settlement. I believe that the
> settlement was offered to keep some of his behavior from becoming
> public knowledge. Now, what kind of fucked up shit were they hiding
ok...
any one "not a religious question" here not think that there is some
Evil shit in the world...
i mean evil... personally, i think ol MJ was into some bad juju
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I am not a court of law, not do I carry any clout that should convince
someone to believe one way or another, so, does it really matter?
I think he's got some fucked up skeletons in his closet and now that
he is dead, I'd bet some of them start to fall out.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Ian S
Here is how I look at it. He and his handlers had to know that his
rep would get tarnished by offering a settlement. I believe that the
settlement was offered to keep some of his behavior from becoming
public knowledge. Now, what kind of fucked up shit were they hiding
that made being thought of
Scott Stroz wrote:
> If one of the kids he was suspected of molesting says he was molested
And you have heard or read direct testimony of one of these children
that says just this, hopefully with enough detail to seem legitimate.
I never have, but I've never looked either. I've only heard peop
One could argue that MJ was the hazardous condition and lured the kids
and their parents.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>> That is like saying that its not the bank robber's fault he robbed the
>> bank, the morons kept the money there.
>
> From Wiki:
>
> Und
Scott Stroz wrote:
> If it was just one isolated incident, maybe I could brush it off as
> easily as others. But it was not one isolated incident, it was
> multiple incidents. I can't just dismiss that off as happenstance.
I think the point some of us make is actually even more cynical then
you
If one of the kids he was suspected of molesting says he was molested,
I don't really think that is heresay - but I am not a lawyer. I am
sure Gruss, with his years of experience in a law firm, could clarify
that.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
>
> And that will be a shame
Says the man who believes Muslims cannot live a peaceful existence.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>> There is nothing anyone can say that will make me believe he dod not
>> molest kids.
>
> So hearsay has you convinced, but it won't unconvince you?
>
> Th
Erika L. Rich wrote:
> And that will be a shame because unless they've got video or photographic
> evidence, it will ALL, and I do mean ALL, be hearsay.
True, but hearsay from direct participants does carry more weight then
hearsay from others more removed from the events. As you say without
v
> Scott wrote:
> That is like saying that its not the bank robber's fault he robbed the
> bank, the morons kept the money there.
>From Wiki:
Under the attractive nuisance doctrine of the law of torts, a
landowner may be held liable for injuries to children trespassing on
the land if the injury i
> Scott wrote:
>
> There is nothing anyone can say that will make me believe he dod not
> molest kids.
So hearsay has you convinced, but it won't unconvince you?
That's kind of a hypocritical standard.
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And that will be a shame because unless they've got video or photographic
evidence, it will ALL, and I do mean ALL, be hearsay.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Ian Skinner wrote:
>
> Well someone (maybe several someones) knows, and I expect in the months
> and years to come, more of what they
That's the exact point that gets me. No matter which way I look at it. And
I'm not naive in this matter.
And yeah, if I had kids, no I wouldn't let them stay either, but that's got
nothing to do with MJ or his past.
In anycase, everyone's got their opinions on it and of course we're all
entitled t
Actually, to me, it is entirely the point.
If ti was just one isolated incident, maybe I could brush it off as
easily as others. But it was not one isolated incident, it was
multiple incidents. I can't just dismiss that off as happenstance.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
Michael Grant wrote:
> No one will ever know if he did or didn't do anything wrong to the kids that
> stayed at neverland.
Well someone (maybe several someones) knows, and I expect in the months
and years to come, more of what they know will come to public light. I
expect it will be more then
No, but that's not the point is it? I wouldn't leave my kids with any of my
single friends either. Doesn't mean I think they're pedophiles.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> Would you have left your kids alone with him?
>
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Michael Grant wr
Would you have left your kids alone with him?
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
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> Here's the thing. He was never convicted of any crime. Rumors swirled that
> he touched kids but there was never any conviction. I remember for sure but
> I don't think there were even any char
sure i remember
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
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>>
>> I remember for sure
>
>
> *can't remember for sure
>
>
>
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> I remember for sure
*can't remember for sure
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Here's the thing. He was never convicted of any crime. Rumors swirled that
he touched kids but there was never any conviction. I remember for sure but
I don't think there were even any charges laid. Surely he did stuff that
normal people wouldn't do, such as invite children to stay at house. But
t
right he was a great performer, yes very talented an made some people
very wealthy.
but i don't care if your mary poppins.. if you even have a minor
infraction where children are involved, then fnck you...
the mental states of some ones entire 7-99 year old life is at stake,
not to mention there
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Ras Tafari wrote:
> yes, things looked a little funky with him and the little boys, but thats
> their parents problems, not mine... they were the morons who let their
> kids do what they did...
That is like saying that its not the bank robber's fault he robbed th
im a big mj fan, in fact i really was too distracted with life to pay
attn to the shit he got into back in the day... he was a great performer,
entertainer, musician, song-writer, everything, he influenced me a great
deal back in the day, and i can remember the EXACT moment, to the
T the first tim
I do agree with you there, I'm just having a hard time hanging someone
without concrete proof. I'm not a MJ fan by any means. There's just a few
songs of his here and there that I can handle. Just to let you know I'm not
a star crossed fan.
His life was a tragedy of errors and then some. That's o
But, you see, us people who actually care about our children would
never let them be alone with the freak.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Erika L. Rich wrote:
>
> Not to poor gas on your fire, but
>
> He wanted THAT situation to go away. Perhaps he really really wasn't guilty
> and he happ
Not to poor gas on your fire, but
He wanted THAT situation to go away. Perhaps he really really wasn't guilty
and he happened to enjoy the company of kids? Already having been diagnosed
as an adult regressing towards childhood, he probably got along a lot better
with children than he did mos
There is nothing anyone can say that will make me believe he dod not
molest kids.
I did not even like his music.
I saw an article that said he was a 'black icon' - wtf? He has not
been black in over 30 years.
And the jokes start pouring in:
Michael Jackson is not to be cremated or buried but re
if he wanted "it" to go away, he wouldn't have had other kids stay
over on countless occasions AFTER the settlement.
seriously fuck MJ..
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Bruce Sorge wrote:
>
> Or as Justin said, he wanted it to "go away". I interpret that as he
> does not want the messy detail
> And I will still miss Ed McMahon and Farah a lot more than him.
100% agree with that.
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Or as Justin said, he wanted it to "go away". I interpret that as he
does not want the messy details of his private life out in the open.
Either way, he is dead. Although I do love his music, as a person I have
less than nice thoughts about him.
And I will still miss Ed McMahon and Farah a lot
Normally, weird+millions = eccentric.
But he went so far out on the weird limb, there was no amount of money to
cancel it out.
_That_ is hard to do.
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
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> Weird: confirmed
> Pedophile: unconfirmed
>
~~~
> Out of court settlement: Guilty.
In his case that may or may not be true, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions
too quickly. Just because someone settles out of court doesn't necessarily
mean they are definitely guilty. People have been sued for things that they
were not guilty of, but settled o
Ya, see that's where we differ. As a parent of two there is NO amount of
money in the world that would make me want to drop a molestation case
against the perp. None. End of. To me an out of court settlement shows more
negatively on the accuser than the accused. Seems like more a case of greedy
pa
Out of court settlement: Guilty.
Michael Grant wrote:
> Weird: confirmed
> Pedophile: unconfirmed
>
>
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gt; Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, dead at 50
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> RIP King of Pop
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-Original Message-
From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:pih...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 8:27 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, dead at 50
i hope the child molester enjoys hell..
fuck him
May he burn in hell, pedophile.
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From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 7:09 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, dead at 50
RIP King of Pop
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> Well it's always been said that he takes a lot of prescription drugs. They
> can be pretty hard on the heart depending on which ones.
>
> I find it really sad because I was always kind of holding out hope that in
> his older years he'd star
i hope the child molester enjoys hell..
fuck him..
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Well it's always been said that he takes a lot of prescription drugs. They
can be pretty hard on the heart depending on which ones.
I find it really sad because I was always kind of holding out hope that in
his older years he'd start getting kind of normal again and make some kind
of comeback to
> Denny wrote:
> Super sad about the loss of one of our foxiest ladies ever, too. What a day.
>
Yeah ... whoa. 50 is kinda young for a heart attack ... I wonder if
it was suicide
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 5:08 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
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> RIP King of Pop
>
+1
Super sad about the loss of one of our foxiest ladies ever, too. What a day.
:-(
Bet they're telling each other some amazing stories right about now...
in some fashion.
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RIP King of Pop
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I'm dropping associated press app. dam thing can't even keep up with
txt and a pick updates on a major story after sending out a
notifcation alert.
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On Jun 25, 2009, at 6:11 PM, Vivec wrote:
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> Check a news site online...right now they are all flooded.
>
>
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> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 6:24 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: RE: Michael Jackson, dead at 50
>
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> Confirmed dead now. UCLA confirming he has died.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@
LA Times says he is dead on NBC
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Subject: RE: Michael Jackson, dead at 50
Confirmed dead now. UCLA confirming he has died.
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Confirmed dead now. UCLA confirming he has died.
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:21 PM
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Subject: Re: Michael Jackson, dead at 50
As of 8 minutes ago he was alive. Cardiac arrest, but alive
Vivec wrote:
> Check a news site online...right now they are all flooded.
CNN just says he is in the hospital after a heart attack. He apparently
arrived alive and no other condition has been given.
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On every station hear in LA.. all stations.
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Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 3:12 PM
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Subject: Michael Jackson, dead at 50
Check a news site online...right now they are all flooded.
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As of 8 minutes ago he was alive. Cardiac arrest, but alive.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Vivec wrote:
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> Check a news site online...right now they are all flooded.
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>
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Correction..he is in a coma..
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