Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-07 Thread LRS Scout
Guys whether you like it or not the 2nd has been incorporated as an individual right under Heller and McDonald. It's going to take years to shake it all out, but laws in California, Illinois, D.C., N.Y., Mass, all over are going to change. It's a good thing in my view. Next up the battle for co

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-03 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Most settlements and towns at the time had an organized militia. There was a very specific definition as to what that was in the late 18th century. These militias later evolved into what we know now as the National Guard, stemming from the experience of the War of 1812 and the Civil War. On Wed,

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-03 Thread Scott Stroz
://www.threeravensconsulting.com > > > -Original Message----- > From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:58 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by

RE: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Eric Roberts
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:58 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge The militia certainly can be all of us...and ought to be well regulated. Hence the term "well regulated". I do

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Judah McAuley
It's actually quite interesting, and something that gets little mentioned in this day, that the logic used in early American jurisprudence would lead to almost an exact inverse of the law we have today. Since they viewed it as a individual right but collective in it's purpose to be able to muster

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Judah McAuley
The militia certainly can be all of us...and ought to be well regulated. Hence the term "well regulated". I do believe that the founding fathers viewed many of the heavy handed weapons restrictions as tools of tyranny wielded by England and they wanted to make sure that that was not going to happ

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread LRS Scout
I don't ignore either part. Remember, who is the militia? According to Madison it is all of us. No, I'm sorry. My reading of the thoughts of the founders has proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that they men the arms trade to be free and open and without the fetters it currently has. On W

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Judah McAuley
Ok, here's the actual text: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." The first clause sets up the second clause. The context being set for the right to bear arms is that of security of a free

RE: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Eric Roberts
--- > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:13 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge > > > No it does not. > > The 10th amendment soundly closes that loophole. > > That is simpl

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread LRS Scout
t [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:13 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge > > > No it does not. > > The 10th amendment soundly closes that loophole. > > That is simply not true.

RE: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Eric Roberts
Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:13 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge No it does not. The 10th amendment soundly closes that loophole. That is simply not true. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:08

RE: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Eric Roberts
[mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:13 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge No it does not. The 10th amendment soundly closes that loophole. That is simply not true. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Eric Roberts <

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread LRS Scout
- > > -Original Message- > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:35 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: RE: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge > > > Where is the power contained in th

RE: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Jeff Garza
: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 6:35 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge Where is the power contained in the law (I assume we're talking about the brady prevention of handgun violence act?) Granted to congress or the states specifically? On Oc

RE: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Eric Roberts
-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:35 PM To: cf-community Subject: RE: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge Where is the power contained

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Sam
It seems the judge upheld the law as constitutional, makes sense, but blocked enforcing it for this election because not all voters have photo id's yet. As for Holder, do as I say not as I do? . On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I am neither a proponent nor an opponent of

RE: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread LRS Scout
cout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:42 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge > > > Really, what part of the law in question provides these exceptions? > A felon cannot vote because of the provi

RE: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Eric Roberts
[mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:42 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge Really, what part of the law in question provides these exceptions? A felon cannot vote because of the provisions of due process. That's i

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Scott Stroz
l Message- > From: Jeff Garza [mailto:j...@garzasixpack.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:13 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge > > >> So is owning a gun. > > And that is a distinction that the folks on t

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread LRS Scout
ter how many times "Shall Not Be > Infringed" is explained, they just don't get it. > > Jeff > > Original Message ---- > > From: "LRS Scout" > > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:07 PM > > To: "cf-community" > > Subject: Re: Pennsy

RE: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Eric Roberts
ge > From: "LRS Scout" > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:07 PM > To: "cf-community" > Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge > > So is owning a gun. > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Eric Roberts < > ow...@th

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Judah McAuley
iginal Message >> From: "LRS Scout" >> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:07 PM >> To: "cf-community" >> Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge >> >> So is owning a gun. >> >> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Jeff Garza
RS Scout" > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:07 PM > To: "cf-community" > Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge > > So is owning a gun. > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Eric Roberts < > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wr

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Jerry Barnes
"You need a photo ID to see Eric Holder speak but not to vote." Hey Sam, do you know if one needs an ID to get an Obama phone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio J - I never thought this day would happen. . . . I won’t have to work on putting gas in my car. I won’t have to work at pa

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Judah McAuley
Developer >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com >> tel: 630-486-5255 >> fax: 630-310-8531 >> http://www.threeravensconsulting.com >> >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] >> Se

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread LRS Scout
t; > -Original Message- > From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 6:40 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge > > > Voting is a constitutional right. Seeing Eric Holder isn

RE: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Eric Roberts
l: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 6:40 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halte

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Judah McAuley
Voting is a constitutional right. Seeing Eric Holder isn't. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 2, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Sam wrote: > >> You need a photo ID to see Eric Holder speak but not to vote.

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Jerry Barnes
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Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Sam
You need a photo ID to see Eric Holder speak but not to vote. Gotta love the game. . On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > voter suppression law halted for now. > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology n

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Cameron Childress
Is that the suppression of voter suppression? What is it's overturned? would that be suppression of the suppression of voter suppression? On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > voter suppression law halted for now. > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/p

Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge

2012-10-02 Thread Paul Ihrig
about time On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > voter suppression law halted for now. > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/pennsylvania-voter-id-law-enforcement-halted-by-judge/2012/10/02/bf240ffc-0c9d-11e2-bb5e-492c0d30bff6_story.html > > ~