No problem. Glad to see there are people out there that like to defend CF.
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From: "Erika L. Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:46 pm
Subject: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
> >>| -Origina
>>| -Original Message-
>>| From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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>>| So why all the anti-ASP.NET talk?
>>|
>>| If I had to make a choice, I'd pick .NET over CFMX. Sorry.
So why the negative anti-CF talk?
This is a CF list. Expect us to be defensive. ;)
This must be more of that .NET doublespeak we keep hearing about.
Can't understand a word of it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 5:11 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against
Thank goodness I don't have Macromedia Smell :P
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From: Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:37 pm
Subject: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
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> From: "Haggerty, Mi
Cool. When does it start :)
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From: "Haggerty, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:00 pm
Subject: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
> Because this is a CF-COMMUNITY list.
>
> John Wayne would put hi
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
>Because this is a CF-COMMUNITY list.
>
>John Wayne would put his rifle over his shoulder and tell you to take
>your commie .NET crap back to your masters at the evil empire and tell
>them we are better
>Because this is a CF-COMMUNITY list.
>
>John Wayne would put his rifle over his shoulder and tell you to take your
>commie .NET crap back to your masters at the evil empire and tell them we
>are better than that!
>
>A crowd would roar approval, and the jeep they tied you up in would speed
>off ba
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:35 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
Hey, great.
So why all the anti-ASP.NET talk?
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> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:35 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
> >
> > Hey, great.
> >
> > So why all the anti-ASP.NET talk?
> >
>
>Ahh, I see the other thing here.
>
>You have a choice of platforms to work with. You get to pick and choose what fits
>best with what - which is a good thing.
>
>Lots of people don't. They pick one platform, for whatever reasons, and stick with
>it. So they have to make a choice.
>
>If I had
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> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:18 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
> >
> > > I have used them all in varying amounts, CF and .N
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> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 3:18 PM
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> > Subject: Re: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
> >
> > > I have used them all in varying amounts, CF and .NET the mos
>
> But isn't that the point: that this is all your opinion?
>
> You say "far superior", "less sophisticated", "Not the best" but
> this also your opinion. The very article that began this
> discussion declares CF "as regarded superior" - but that's only
> their opinion.
Yes, just as what yo
>> I have used them all in varying amounts, CF and .NET the most in the
>> past year. To be 100% honest I cannot tell much difference between the
>> two. With one exception: development time in CF seems significantly
>> lower.
>
>Which one are you more familiar with?
>Which have you used longer?
>A
> I have used them all in varying amounts, CF and .NET the most in the
> past year. To be 100% honest I cannot tell much difference between the
> two. With one exception: development time in CF seems significantly
> lower.
Which one are you more familiar with?
Which have you used longer?
Are the a
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 11:46:36 -0700
>Let me clarify something here.
>
>IMHO, IF MS ever took over MM, CFMX would be dead. There's no way MS would
>subordinate their ASP.NET effor
Well infact you can't do anything in CF unless you are using CFML, with
the exception of having application.cfm and onRequestEnd.cfm run with
each file.
ColdFusion is both a tool, a platform and a language rolled into one.
Where as C# is a language that runs in the .NET Platform. MS Provided
tool
> I guess my point here is that you don't have to use these things when
> building apps in ASP.NET. You choose too.
Of course.
>
> The same thing applies in every other platform/language there is.
Yes.
> I consider the fancy form stuff in .NET as part of the tools they have
> provided, while it
27;s (.NET)
application when it is released in the next few weeks!
-Patrick
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> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 2:01 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
&g
lithic servers).
>
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>From: Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:46 am
>Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
>
> > At 11:25 AM 12/23/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> > >Oh, there&#x
that ASP.NET has a bunch of built-in stuff, why is that suddenly considered a con?
And, you know when a user's session is terminated in ASP.NET. CFMX _still_ doesn't
have this.
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From: "Harkins,Patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 23
What is up with your RE: RE: RE:
Can you set your client to not do that.
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:51 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup agains
agreed!
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 1:42 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
>
>
> Let me clarify. There'll be gro
I wasn't clear here - I meant in what are the better ways in .NET for doing
this, and better than what?
-Patrick
>
> > separating code from presentation - What is exactly better about
> > this? Is it
> > simply because the model more or less forces you to do this?
>
> And you think it's a _good
02 11:46 am
Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
> At 11:25 AM 12/23/2002 -0700, you wrote:
> >Oh, there'll be good ideas. But anything "ground-moving"? Blech.
>
> Who knows what tomorrow brings? I don't. Just cause you can
t a spin on my reality tunnels, and
I've been trying to rearrange them ever since.
Adam.
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:26 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Ma
At 01:25 PM 12/23/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I don't want to sound picky but I have a few questions.!
>
>Coding in different languages is not really that much of a plus. You can do
>that in CF too just differently.
Um... I think that if you choose to code in CF, you are stuck to
CFML. Yes, yo
At 11:25 AM 12/23/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>Oh, there'll be good ideas. But anything "ground-moving"? Blech.
Who knows what tomorrow brings? I don't. Just cause you can't think of
a ground-moving idea doesn't mean that someone else will.
If you do know what tomorrow brings, can you specify
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> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:51 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
> >
> >
> > Why ASP.NET is superior:
> >
> > You c
Oh, there'll be good ideas. But anything "ground-moving"? Blech.
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From: Jeffry Houser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:30 am
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
> At 12:13 PM 12/23/2002 -06
ommunity
> Subject: Re: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
>
>
> Why ASP.NET is superior:
>
> You can code in different languages.
> Strong typing.
> Better, more flexible ways of separating code from presentation.
> Server Controls - including real valida
At 12:13 PM 12/23/2002 -0600, you wrote:
> > And, there won't be anything "ground-moving" in
> > the web world for a while. The paradigm has been set.
>
>huh huh... because all the people who were overusing the term 'paradigm' are
>still being ushered out the door :)
: laughs:
I think there
rom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:06 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
>
>
> There's nothing "ground-moving" in ASP.NET. It's all about
> execution.
t;
Date: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:00 am
Subject: RE: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
> Ok good, I just wanted to make sure you were basing your opinion
> on what I
> look at as just being whiz-bang conveniences, and not something
> remarkablyground moving that I
t: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:51 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: RE: Microsoft plots Macromedia coup against Java
>
>
> Why ASP.NET is superior:
>
> You can code in different languages.
> Strong typing.
> Better, more flexible ways of separating code from present
Why ASP.NET is superior:
You can code in different languages.
Strong typing.
Better, more flexible ways of separating code from presentation.
Server Controls - including real validation controls.
Web Controls.
Better handling of client state.
Better handling of html forms.
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