RE: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-14 Thread Eric Roberts
onday, April 12, 2010 1:35 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial I'll have to give this a listen later but I have a quibble with dismissing fears of "frankenfood" out of hand. I'm not inherently against geneticall

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-13 Thread Casey Dougall
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > Oh shit, a parasite has hit bee > colonies and they've collapsed and now your monoculture is fucked. > Good thing we still have flies and beetles to pollinate. What, the > variety of that plant that is pollinated by flies isn't grown anywhe

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > Unfortunately we all have different definitions and ideas on whom or > what should be thinned. I am sure that a vaccine conspiracist would > have a very different set of thinning candidates than one of us I > suspect. Fortunately, mother n

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Unfortunately we all have different definitions and ideas on whom or what should be thinned. I am sure that a vaccine conspiracist would have a very different set of thinning candidates than one of us I suspect. On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 a

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Robert Munn
How many people know that there have been deaths linked to GM foods? I was in favor of more research, but I have re-considered my position based on the risks. I think the GM food push is based on a desire for easier profits, not for helping people. Among the thousands of strains of staple crops t

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Judah McAuley
There isn't anything inherently "unnatural" about genetic modification of plants. There is evidence of transspecies genetic mixing out in the wild and viruses seem to be one of the main candidates for moving chunks of genome #1 into genome #2. Combine that with the natural variation that occurs th

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
I feel that we could go far enough with just cross breeding. I don't see why we need to modify our food on a genetic level. I understand that farming is a for profit endeavour and it's getting harder and harder for farmers to compete, but there's got to be a way to make natural farming profitable.

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Judah McAuley
Mind you, I think that things like Bt have a lot of promise. I strongly disagree with genetically engineer a plant to be resistant to a brand of herbicide as Monsanto is doing with Roundup. On the other hand, promoting naturally occurring resistance to pests that has popped up in one species in an

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
I guess you're right, mostly. GM crops are primarily in the US. The rice strains I was thinking of were modified the old fashioned way. -Cameron On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > Not really, no. Arguably the biggest contribution to increased yields > and disease resisten

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> Right now we don't have a massive food crisis on our planet. > > This is, in great part, due to genetically modified breeds of plants. Not really, no. Arguably the biggest con

RE: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread LRS Scout
word -Original Message- From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 2:30 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial > Humankind needs a little thinning of the herd. +1 trillion You couldn't

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
I don't agree with much of his talk, but it was worth listening to, and definitely got me thinking about the topics. I don't know that any of his examples are anti-science as much as they are scared-and-untrusting-that-faceless-bureaucrats-have-our-interests-at-heart. I think the thought, though

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > Right now we don't have a massive food crisis on our planet. This is, in great part, due to genetically modified breeds of plants. -Cameron .. ~| Want to reach the ColdF

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Judah McAuley
I'll have to give this a listen later but I have a quibble with dismissing fears of "frankenfood" out of hand. I'm not inherently against genetically modified foods. In some cases I think we'll see a wonderful set of opportunities. However, it is an area in which a little knowledge can be a danger

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Medic
> Humankind needs a little thinning of the herd. +1 trillion You couldn't be more right. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://

Re: Speaking of science: Michael Specter: The danger of science denial

2010-04-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > Vaccine-autism claims, "Frankenfood" bans, the herbal cure craze: All point > to the public's growing fear (and, often, outright denial) of science and > reason, says Michael Specter. He warns the trend spells disaster for human > progress.