mmm.
I got sucked into the National Archives project on wikisource this
weekend, and spent some time categorizing some of the legal documents
from Guantanamo. Yeah, that place, the one that's still there and that
houses the worst of the worst supposedly. One particularly telling
affidavit from on
2011 12:40 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: US Govt kills US Citizen
>
>
> Congress declared war on al Qaeda, he joined al Qaeda.
>
> Done.
>
> .
>
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>Actually, they aren't complaining at all.
>
>You bleeding hearts are comical when it comes to your perceived enemy.
>
Bleeding hearts? you have got to be joking.
How many AQ leaders did your glorious leader get during his 8 years?
And what is the count for the current presiden? According to
No...congress did not declare war against Al Queda.
-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 12:40 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: US Govt kills US Citizen
Congress declared war on al Qaeda, he joined al Qaeda.
Done.
.
On Mon, Oct
Still doesn't make it right. I didn't like it when Bush did it and I don't
like it when Obama does it.
-Original Message-
From: Ras Tafari [mailto:rastaf...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:24 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: US Govt kills US Citizen
id
But the Right supports Obama on this. Even Cheney came out and said
Obama should apologize for being against this before he did it
himself.
Again, the only people I can find that don't support this: Gruss, ACLU
and Ron Paul.
None represent the Right.
So while I agree the Right does see somethin
Depends on what you mean by "the right"
Governor Perry praised the action.
Ron Paul did not.
I haven't heard much condemnation from "the right", other than some Ron Paul
grumblings and from some of the far, far right loonies who would always find
fault.
I think most Republicans I know would ap
The fact is that the right something wrong with everything Obama does.
You can't deny that by going to any website.
The only bias I have is against lies, spin and disinformation, which
you seem to eat for breakfast every morning.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> And I proved it
And I proved it wasn't a fact. You can too by going to the sites Larry
mentioned and do a search.
Your bias does not a fact make.
.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Maureen wrote:
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> I didn't post a stereotype, I posted a fact. It explains a lot that
> you can't tell the difference.
~~~
I didn't post a stereotype, I posted a fact. It explains a lot that
you can't tell the difference.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Sam wrote:
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> I was responding to your stereotype. So you start.
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Maureen wrote:
>>
>> Is it possible for you to debate a sing
I was responding to your stereotype. So you start.
.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> Is it possible for you to debate a single point without resorting to
> stereotyping and name calling?
>
>
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On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> Actually, they aren't complaining at all.
>
> You bleeding hearts are comical when it comes to your perceived enemy.
~
Actually, they aren't complaining at all.
You bleeding hearts are comical when it comes to your perceived enemy.
.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:52 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> Yeah, but they aren't complaining because they think it was illegal,
> they are just bitching because Obama did it, and in their
I just searched both those sites and it's seems you made that up.
.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
> Maybe so, but I've seen teh exact same debate and arguments used in places
> like the forums on Hannity's and Limbaugh's sites as well has townhall.com.
> Those reich w
>To play devils advocate here, have you ever seen al-Awlaki armed? Or
>even on a battlefield?
How do I even know what you look like.
But he was travelling in a convoy of 5 trucks with an armed escort. he's
appeared in multiple web videos with an AK-47. So yes. hey may have been.
>
>It seems t
Yeah, but they aren't complaining because they think it was illegal,
they are just bitching because Obama did it, and in their eyes
anything he does it wrong.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
> Maybe so, but I've seen teh exact same debate and arguments used in places
> lik
Maybe so, but I've seen teh exact same debate and arguments used in places like
the forums on Hannity's and Limbaugh's sites as well has townhall.com. Those
reich wingers are having fits over it.
> Gruss is not the right wing, he's the left wing. The only other folks
> complaining are the ACLU
Congress declared war on al Qaeda, he joined al Qaeda.
Done.
.
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
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> Yup...extrajudicial killing of US citizens is wrong...the only way I can see
> that is if that person was an imminent threatlike if we knew he was
> lighting off a bomb o
On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Ras Tafari wrote:
>
> idk man, you play with dogs and you get fleas.
>
Yeah tell me about it LOL
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On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Eric Roberts
wrote:
>
> Yup...extrajudicial killing of US citizens is wrong...the only way I can see
> that is if that person was an imminent threatlike if we knew he was
> lighting off a bomb or something in the
Yup...extrajudicial killing of US citizens is wrong...the only way I can see
that is if that person was an imminent threatlike if we knew he was
lighting off a bomb or something in the immediate future..
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday,
It's a bad precedent, not the least because of the questions around Awlaki.
FYI, apparently Obama took a page from Bush and had a lawyer write an
opinion as to why it was OK to kill this guy. I thought he opposed all those
Bush-era legal memos?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/
Nope.. Don't join an organization like Al Qaeda and you wont have this
issue...
-Original Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 2:18 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: US Govt kills US Citizen
It seems pretty universal by people in govt that
> How do we know all of that is true? Is the "battlefield" now
> everywhere? Does that now mean the govt can do whatever it wants
> where ever it wants as long as it says it was because of "battle" on
> the "battlefield"
>
> Are you saying that if we simply change the marketing around a govt
He's an enemy combatant that has declared war on the US. Think Civil
War where we killed our own.
Did I hear he's still alive?
.
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> That's what the Germans and the japanese and the chinese and the libyans and
> the tunisians and the thou
Gruss is not the right wing, he's the left wing. The only other folks
complaining are the ACLU and Ron Paul.
.
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:53 AM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
> Funny how the reich wing first whines about how Obama and the current
> administration is weak on terrorism, but when the admin
Yep. If they're gonna kill people for spreading propaganda, I've got
a long list. And none of the names start with Al.
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> To play devils advocate here, have you ever seen al-Awlaki armed? Or
> even on a battlefield?
>
> It seems to me that
To play devils advocate here, have you ever seen al-Awlaki armed? Or
even on a battlefield?
It seems to me that this role was more of a propaganda role, ala Tokyo
Rose in WWII. There were a couple of Tokyo Rose's but the US Citizens
who were accussed of such roles were all pardoned and/or release
No not really. It's the same situation as in WW1 and WW2 where several thousand
US citizens served in the Nazi and Italian Fascist armies. Quite a few of those
were killed by the US or it's Allies. Both Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan were
the same they were armed belligerents on a battlefield i
That's what the Germans and the japanese and the chinese and the libyans and
the tunisians and the thought too.
I was just in Germany and got stuck in a 4 hour traffic jam outside of Leipzig
(former east germany). That gave me lots of time to meet some old timers and
guess what? They're
How do we know all of that is true? Is the "battlefield" now everywhere? Does
that now mean the govt can do whatever it wants where ever it wants as long as
it says it was because of "battle" on the "battlefield"
Are you saying that if we simply change the marketing around a govt
assassinati
I think we've been taking care of enemies of the state for a long time now,
so nothing to worry about! ;)
I, somehow, don't think America will be in the next Nazi regime.
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> I got that from a guy I worked with who was/is from former east Germa
> It seems pretty universal by people in govt that this guy was a bad
> guy, but it's also troubling that the US would assassinate a US
> citizen on foreign soil without due process; especially given this
> administrations previous assertions that trial of terrorists is
> possible.
>
> Anyone
I got that from a guy I worked with who was/is from former east Germany. He
used to remind me that the first country the Nazis invaded was Germany and
described how it started with giving the state power to go after enemies of the
state without any process. Within three years the government w
The simple fact he was an known al Qaeda terrorist warrants his death.
Comparing their targeting of a terrorist to someone's wife is funny though.
Thanks for that laugh!
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> But isn't that everything the US is against? You start with this guy
But isn't that everything the US is against? You start with this guy and
whats the difference with abducting your wife in the middle of the night?
Or looked at another way, what if France missiles a car in Miami and says,
"don't worry, a drone from Martinique did it and even though we're not
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Casey Dougall <
ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>>
>> It seems pretty universal by people in govt that this guy was a bad guy,
>> but it's also troubling that the US would assassinate a US citizen on
fuck him.
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On Oct 1, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Casey Dougall
wrote:
>
> On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>>
>> It seems pretty universal by people in govt that this guy was a bad guy,
>> but it's also troubling that the US would assassinate a U
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> It seems pretty universal by people in govt that this guy was a bad guy,
> but it's also troubling that the US would assassinate a US citizen on
> foreign soil without due process; especially given this administrations
> previous assertions t
It bothers me anytime our government kills someone without due process
- be they US citizen, a supposed terrorist leader or a so-called
dictator. When it is done in secret under the cover of covert
intelligence, how are we to know who really made the decision, and
what would they do to us if we d
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