RE: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-31 Thread Ken Ketsdever
might not want to answer pages to my office. -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 7:31 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility? 2 points, you forgot to add the next lines: Meanwhile

RE: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-31 Thread Ken Ketsdever
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 7:26 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility? Maybe if employees in these other fields had a list server where they could vent their frustrations with people who understood.these kinds

RE: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-31 Thread Ken Ketsdever
feels this woman bears some responsibility? Never heard a report of a disgruntled Cold Fusion programmer gunning down people at their office. I think the word is Yet. larry On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:25:50 -0600, G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe if employees in these other fields had a list

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-31 Thread Larry C. Lyons
. For some reason other peoples occupations never seem to matter. Did I mention I spent 6 years in the Marines and a year as a mail carrier? -Original Message- From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 7:26 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Who else feels

RE: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-31 Thread Ken Ketsdever
-Community Subject: Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility? Maybe if employees in these other fields had a list server where they could vent their frustrations with people who understood.these kinds of unfortunate events could be avoided :) Never heard a report

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-31 Thread Dana
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 5:55 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility? In that case I'd really be worried if your job in the marines was your post's mail carrier. larry On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 05:32:15 -0800, Ken Ketsdever

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-30 Thread Dana
well, if the shoe fits On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 11:20:32 -0500, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They'd probably treat it as a slam again M$. larry On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:05:49 -0600, G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm suggesting that the CF-Community mailing list gives CFers an

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread Deanna Schneider
I think a lot of people would be thinking about self-preservation. I'd probably be thinking, if I go through the motions can I find a way out of this for me and the guys? But, geez, who knows. I've never had a gun pointed at me. I'm certainly not trained for it. I'd be wishing Kevin was around,

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread Jerry Johnson
I didn't forget to add those lines. They were after she already called the guy in. And she is not legally culpable, on that I agree. But if she truly believed that by calling the guy in she would not be killed, but the other guy would be killed, and she called him in, then I think she does

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread Larry C. Lyons
She had a gun pointed at her head. That changes everything. Its all great to say you'd play the hero, things change when you're in that situation. There is no blame in this case - she was forced to call them in. larry On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:44:28 -0500, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread G
Responsibility for what? Making a decision between her life and the life of a co-worker? The instigator of the situation is 100% responsible for what occurs as a direct result of his actions, in my opinion. The gunman killed these people, none of the other victims involved share in his

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Also she only called in two people. One of the other people Meyer wanted came in coincidentally and was killed, the other two were wounded, one critically, other other in the arm. larry On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:07:55 -0600, G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Responsibility for what? Making a decision

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I'm wrong according to the CNN report she only called in one person. The second guy was not on Meyers list. larry On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:12:20 -0500, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also she only called in two people. One of the other people Meyer wanted came in coincidentally and was

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread Ray Champagne
Maybe she was due a promotion if that guy was offed d'Oh! Did I just say that? Ray At 10:14 AM 1/28/2005, you wrote: I'm wrong according to the CNN report she only called in one person. The second guy was not on Meyers list. larry On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:12:20 -0500, Larry C. Lyons

RE: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe she was due a promotion if that guy was offed d'Oh! Did I just say that? Just like a Patriots fan to say something like that... Shame on you! :-) ~| Save $10

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread G
Maybe if employees in these other fields had a list server where they could vent their frustrations with people who understood.these kinds of unfortunate events could be avoided :) Never heard a report of a disgruntled Cold Fusion programmer gunning down people at their office. How many

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread Jerry Johnson
Well, there was a programmer up here in Mass a few years ago that went on a spree. And there was the programmer in CT (from my home town) that shot up Lottery Headquarters in Hartford. You just can't trust heavily armed geeks. Jerry Johnson Web Developer Dolan Media Company [EMAIL

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Never heard a report of a disgruntled Cold Fusion programmer gunning down people at their office. I think the word is Yet. larry On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 09:25:50 -0600, G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe if employees in these other fields had a list server where they could vent their

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread G
CF programmers? Well, there was a programmer up here in Mass a few years ago that went on a spree. And there was the programmer in CT (from my home town) that shot up Lottery Headquarters in Hartford. You just can't trust heavily armed geeks. Jerry Johnson Web Developer Dolan Media

RE: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread Ray Champagne
Ain't touching that one... At 10:25 AM 1/28/2005, you wrote: From: Ray Champagne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Maybe she was due a promotion if that guy was offed d'Oh! Did I just say that? Just like a Patriots fan to say something like that... Shame on you! :-)

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread Jerry Johnson
I've never seen the Mass guy's resume. The CT guy I actually have his resume. A friend of mine was trying to place him at GTech (a lottery machine vendor) the week he went postal. Mostly embedded systems programming if I remember right. So you are suggesting it is the languages that causes

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread G
I'm suggesting that the CF-Community mailing list gives CFers an outlet that other disciplines might not have. Try posting a burning cow manure story on microsoft.public.dotnet.framework.aspnet.webcontrols So you are suggesting it is the languages that causes such outbursts? That my

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread Jerry Johnson
Is that a dare? I'll do it, you know... Jerry Johnson Web Developer Dolan Media Company [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/28/05 11:05AM I'm suggesting that the CF-Community mailing list gives CFers an outlet that other disciplines might not have. Try posting a burning cow manure story on

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-28 Thread Larry C. Lyons
They'd probably treat it as a slam again M$. larry On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:05:49 -0600, G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm suggesting that the CF-Community mailing list gives CFers an outlet that other disciplines might not have. Try posting a burning cow manure story on

RE: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-27 Thread Michael T. Tangorre
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Two dead, two hurt in Jeep plant shooting http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/27/plant.shooting.ap/index.html Not that she wasn't in a difficult position, but do you agree she knowingly summoned this guy to his death? Such a tough situation. I would

RE: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-27 Thread Ray Champagne
I doubt that I would have either, but you never know what the atmosphere was like. The article never said that she summoned one of the guys that Myers was going to shoot. Maybe he was bluffing knowing that she'd bring him out if he claimed he wouldn't shoot that guy. I dunno, I gotta agree,

Re: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-27 Thread Larry C. Lyons
2 points, you forgot to add the next lines: Meanwhile, the woman then ran out of the office and warned co-workers over the radio, police said. also consider this psycho guy points a gun at you and tells you do call the person in. Do you play hero and possibly get killed or comply and quite

RE: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility?

2005-01-27 Thread Jim Davis
-Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:14 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Who else feels this woman bears some responsibility? Not that she wasn't in a difficult position, but do you agree she knowingly summoned this guy to