Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-16 Thread Chris Stoner
differing opinion != hater On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > yah, i dont think its stupid by any means, i just happened to be lucky > enough > to be enlightened by something newer, better, faster, more intuitive > to me. haters > mean nothing. i know whats bestfor Mr. Taf

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-16 Thread Ras Tafari
I find that it is the opposite.  I think you just like to bitch about MS. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 09:53 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Why Microsoft has made

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-16 Thread G Money
tch about MS. > > -Original Message- > From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 09:53 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for > Windows 8 > > > Matthew Small wrote: > >

RE: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-16 Thread Eric Roberts
I find that it is the opposite. I think you just like to bitch about MS. -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 09:53 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-16 Thread Sam
You missed the point. When you keep everything in one place the hacker only needs one success. . On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Yeah, because no one has ever hacked a Microsoft product. > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Sam wrote: >> >> Is that really a good idea to p

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-15 Thread Gruss Gott
Matthew Small wrote: > > I don't understand what is "stupid" about it from a UI experience. It's clunky, confusing, ugly, non-intuitive, and seems to be purposely designed to frustrate people. It's basically an AMC Pacer with the steering wheel in middle. ~~

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-15 Thread Maureen
Yeah, because no one has ever hacked a Microsoft product. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Sam wrote: > > Is that really a good idea to put all your security in Google which is > likely already compromised? > > http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/china-systematically-attacking-us-computer-sy

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-15 Thread Ras Tafari
maybe not, but id feel more secure with their security budget than my own. On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Sam wrote: > > Is that really a good idea to put all your security in Google which is > likely already compromised? > > http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/china-systematically-attackin

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-15 Thread Sam
Is that really a good idea to put all your security in Google which is likely already compromised? http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/china-systematically-attacking-us-computer-systems-says-richard-clarke/ All eggs in one basket thingy going on... . On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Ras T

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-15 Thread Jerry Barnes
"There's no 'rewrite' of Windows." I'll agree. There is probably not a rewrite. "You have to consider that Windows is an *enormous* codebase that likely could not be rewritten in three years, nor would I want it to be rewritten." Right. That was the point of the article. A lot of developers

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-15 Thread Matthew Small
I don't understand what is "stupid" about it from a UI experience. The parts of Windows I hate most are hangs and crashes, but those two things are usually causes by non-MS software, although I know there are bugs in the kernel that sometime slow things down. Anyone here ever read Mark Russin

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-15 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 10:12 AM, William Bowen wrote: >> But if art don't sell then a poor artist you make. > > For the record, while I have sold more paintings in my lifetime than > Van Gogh did in his, I won't use that as a basis of comparison... Perhaps still "poor" as in "I ain't got no mon

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-15 Thread William Bowen
> But if art don't sell then a poor artist you make. *ahem* *dusts off cf-community posting apparatus* As an artist myself I'd counter that argument with this: Vincent Van Gogh didn't sell a single painting during his lifetime. For the record, while I have sold more paintings in my lifetime th

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-14 Thread Ras Tafari
our ceo just moved to a mbpro, and we are investigating gmail hosted rather than exchange server. for me, msft seems, idk, "tired" in the market. but that may just be my perspective. however, at any sort of conference im at, most of the peeps i see with laptops out, have mac's. and it makes se

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-14 Thread Gruss Gott
G Money wrote: > > If a person can't appreciate the Windows operating system as a paragon of > programming achievement...then that person aint a programmer. > But if art don't sell then a poor artist you make. Ask a blogger. There are lots of OS's and many of them are all paragons of programmi

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-14 Thread G Money
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 1:14 PM, Matthew Small wrote: > > There's no "rewrite" of Windows. You have to consider that Windows is an > *enormous* codebase that likely could not be rewritten in three years, nor > would I want it to be rewritten. > > This code, as much as it is maligned, has been te

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-14 Thread Matthew Small
There's no "rewrite" of Windows. You have to consider that Windows is an *enormous* codebase that likely could not be rewritten in three years, nor would I want it to be rewritten. This code, as much as it is maligned, has been tested for years by the general public and most of the serious bu

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
"All I'm concerned about is more stability at the OS level, and less opportunity for malware infections." In the back of my mind, the thought came across that this might be the reason for the rewrite (if it happens). "You are correct but a lot of developers are worried that their present skill

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-13 Thread Tony Weeg
On Jun 13, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Vivec wrote: > > So the next Microsoft Office will be written in Javascript and HTML5? :-) it already is and the intelligent generation is already using it. google docs > > > ~| Order the Ado

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-13 Thread Robert Munn
Now everyone can develop for Windows. This is just Microsoft inviting the world to build for their platform. Great strategic move. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8 > > Three minutes and forty five s

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Matthew Small wrote: > You are correct but a lot of developers are worried that their present > skills in .NET/WPF/Silverlight will be wasted if Win8 does not support > those technologies - but it will. True, there are alot of people who are afraid of change, and

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-13 Thread Matthew Small
Sandboxing is not something that MS is looking to do with its technologies - in fact, MS does exactly the opposite. Tight integration with OS-level operations are a strong component of .NET and there is no indication that sandboxing is wanted at the OS level. That said, sandboxing is alread

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-13 Thread Matthew Small
You are correct but a lot of developers are worried that their present skills in .NET/WPF/Silverlight will be wasted if Win8 does not support those technologies - but it will. > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Matthew Small > wrote: > > Standards based web, plug-ins, and Silverlight > > http

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-13 Thread Vivec
So the next Microsoft Office will be written in Javascript and HTML5? :-) All I'm concerned about is more stability at the OS level, and less opportunity for malware infections. Did they ever implement the sandboxing of applications so that they are separate from the core OS? Will this be faste

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
Also in this space are: Titanium (http://www.appcelerator.com/) deploys to: - iOS (Mobile) - Android (Mobile) - Windows (Desktop) - OSX (Desktop) - Linux (Desktop) Phone Gap (http://www.phonegap.com/features) deploys to: - iOS (Mobile) - Android (Mobile) - Blackberry (Mobile) - Palm (Mobile) - S

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-13 Thread Casey Dougall
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > > It ain't over yet, but HTML5 is a very very strong leader on > handhelds, and also on devices such as internet connected televisions. > > -Cameron > My DJ app Torq runs the QUI on Nokia QT code which is cross platform. While the in

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-13 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Matthew Small wrote: > Standards based web, plug-ins, and Silverlight > http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/standards-based-web-plug-ins-and-silverlight/ It will be increasingly difficult to ignore HTML5/web standards as ***THE*** way to develop web applicat

Re: Why Microsoft has made developers horrified about coding for Windows 8

2011-06-13 Thread Matthew Small
The official answers are: Standards based web, plug-ins, and Silverlight http://team.silverlight.net/announcement/standards-based-web-plug-ins-and-silverlight/ Previewing Windows 8 http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2011/jun11/06-01corporatenews.aspx BUILDing a brighter future http://