Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-29 Thread dana tierney
thanks, that helps a little :) - Original Message - From: Michael Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:34:01 -0400 Subject: Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It was supposed to be but the moment Israel was created, all

Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-29 Thread Michael Dinowitz
It was supposed to be but the moment Israel was created, all of it's Arab neighbors attacked it and basically took over some of the land that was supposed to be Israel and all of the land that was supposed to be Palestine. Rather than giving a state to their Arab (Palestinian) brothers, they forced

Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-29 Thread dana tierney
Judith, Is Palestine actually a country? Granted that supporting terrorists is immoral, is it grounds for causing the deaths of innocent third parties? Isn't that what made the terrorists terrorists? I hope that these questions and any ignorance they betray are not offensive, and if they are I ap

Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-29 Thread Sam Morris
eedom fighter > attack and the only > difference is the blurry bias? > > > - Original Message - > From: Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 06:51:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war > To: CF-Community <[EMAI

Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-29 Thread Kevin Graeme
That's a big "if". It's entrenched in our history of foreign policy. -Kevin On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 12:24:43 -0400, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't have a problem accepting the argument, if the US has changed its views on the subject. > > It's like a smoker who quits smoking. They

Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-29 Thread Jerry Johnson
I don't have a problem accepting the argument, if the US has changed its views on the subject. It's like a smoker who quits smoking. They often become the most rabid anti-smokers. That doesn't make them hypocrites, it makes them converts. I think It would only be two-faced is the US said - "You c

Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-29 Thread Kevin Graeme
e blurry bias? > > > - Original Message - > From: Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 06:51:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war > To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I'm not justifying the actions on any side.

Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-29 Thread Michael Dinowitz
-qaeda and Iraq and the war To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm not justifying the actions on any side. I'm simply saying that the labels of "terrorist" and freedom fighter", "funding terror" and "aid to victims" can get blurry based on bias.

RE: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-29 Thread John Stanley
ry. sorry to interject. John -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 7:51 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war I'm not justifying the actions on any side. I'm simply saying that the labels

Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-29 Thread Kevin Graeme
I'm not justifying the actions on any side. I'm simply saying that the labels of "terrorist" and freedom fighter", "funding terror" and "aid to victims" can get blurry based on bias. Honestly, the whole thing makes me sick. -Kevin On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 22:51:17 -0400, Judith Dinowitz <[EMAIL PROTE

Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-28 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Countries invaded by Saddam? 1 (Kuwait) Countries attacked by Saddam without provocation? At least 2 (Israel and Saudi Arabia) Terrorist groups supported by Saddam directly? over a dozen Palestinian terrorist groups Weapons of mass destruction used by Saddam? 1 proven (poison gas) Weapons of mass d

Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-28 Thread Judith Dinowitz
> On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:55:44 -0400, Angel Stewart > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Iraq supported Hamas I believe, paying money to the families of suicide > > bombers. > > And we have sent aid packages to families of the Taliban and al Qaeda > in Afghanistan. We have been offering buckets of cas

Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-28 Thread Kevin Graeme
On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:55:44 -0400, Angel Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Iraq supported Hamas I believe, paying money to the families of suicide > bombers. And we have sent aid packages to families of the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan. We have been offering buckets of cash to people in

Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-28 Thread dana tierney
I believe this is true. - Original Message - From: Angel Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:55:44 -0400 Subject: RE: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Iraq supported Hamas I believe, paying money to the families of suicide b

RE: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-28 Thread Angel Stewart
Iraq supported Hamas I believe, paying money to the families of suicide bombers. The war was predicated upon WMD and Saddam having a direct hand in 9/11. THe links were drawn , and the implication was solid by the bush administration that he had something to do with it. That was why polls found

Re: al-qaeda and Iraq and the war

2004-07-28 Thread Sam Morris
> In it he says terrorists tried to turn our cities > into killing fields. > They failed. (Not using quotes as I don't want to > restart to be sure, > but very close to this anyway) > > Remember, this is a speech whose focus is that we > had won in Iraq. > Bush THEN moves on to talk about Afg