Real Life Ethics (or the Schiavo Case Comes Home, sort of)

2005-01-31 Thread Deanna Schneider
Okay, my grandmother has Lewey Body Dementia. She's been pretty wacked out for years - very little quality of life. One of the side effects of it is that she'll eventually lose the ability to swallow. She's just about there - she has nearly no ability to swallow. Last week she ended up in the

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2005-01-31 Thread Russel Madere
the feeding tube. Russel Madere Webmaster 504.832.9835 SunShine Pages by EATEL www.sunshinepages.com -Original Message- From: Deanna Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 11:30 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Real Life Ethics (or the Schiavo Case Comes Home, sort

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2005-01-31 Thread Dana
Yes, that's the problem. I don't suppose she expressed her wishes beforehand? I have very mixed feelings about this. I had a grandmother who was diagnosed with Alzheimer's though she eventually died of a stroke so.. perhaps they were wrong. However the point is that there was quite a bit of

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2005-01-31 Thread Deanna Schneider
To my knowledge, she did not express what her wishes were before she was too far gone to ask. My father has been her legal guardian for at least 5 years. My mom said that the doctor's are telling her that it won't be a painful way to go, as she won't notice that she's thirsty/hungry. (I don't

Re: Real Life Ethics (or the Schiavo Case Comes Home, sort of)

2005-01-31 Thread Deanna Schneider
Doh! I was spelling it wrong. It's Lewy Body Dementia, and here's a good primer: http://www.smw.ch/pdf200x/2003/09/smw-10028.pdf ~| Sams Teach Yourself Regular Expressions in 10 Minutes by Ben Forta

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2005-01-31 Thread Dana
See this is one of the grey areas of the ethics and the law. It really does sound like the sooner the better for all concerned, but they can't sedate her because that would kill her, even though they are withholding food. I actually don't think the doctors would tell your parents that unless they

Re: Real Life Ethics (or the Schiavo Case Comes Home, sort of)

2005-01-31 Thread Deanna Schneider
Yah, that's why we were bummed that she ended up in the hospital. UTI's don't cause her any pain (weird, I know, but supposedly true). And, UTI is often the way female dementia patients go. My parents weren't around when the nursing home called, so they called my aunt, who authorized the transport

Re: Real Life Ethics (or the Schiavo Case Comes Home, sort of)

2005-01-31 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Deanna, Oh that is hard. I really feel for what you're going through. We had to make a similar decision with my father 10 years ago after he suffered a massive stroke. While he never expressed such to me directly, we all knew he would not want to be in such a situation. I do not think I have a

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2005-01-31 Thread Gruss Gott
Deanna wrote: Would you do it? Or, would you do the feeding tube? Discuss. Getting old can be so undignified. In this case it sounds like she's led a full life and certainly has an intelligent granddaughter, which is probably an indication that she raised good kids. Living a long, full,

Re: Real Life Ethics (or the Schiavo Case Comes Home, sort of)

2005-01-31 Thread Dana
Well, the good news is that the link you posted said it's probably not hereditary. I know that heredity was a particular worry in our family. Dana On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:50:52 -0500, Larry C. Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deanna, Oh that is hard. I really feel for what you're going

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2005-01-31 Thread Deanna Schneider
I think the heriditary issue is still somewhat up for debate, as other docs have told us that it is and that we should watch my dad and aunt for symptoms. My aunt is showing some signs. I'm not seeing it as much in my dad. But, my aunt is the older of the two. I know his wishes - brought out to a

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2005-01-31 Thread Deanna Schneider
Hm Well, actually, she was always a bear of a human being. She never (at least in her adult life) had many friends. She was always extremely judgemental and difficult to be around. She was always paranoid - people were stealing her husband, we were conspiring against her, blah blah blah. I

Re: Real Life Ethics (or the Schiavo Case Comes Home, sort of)

2005-01-31 Thread Dana
Alzheimer's is supposed to be hereditary. But since my grandmother actually died of a stroke and Alzheimer's was the diagnosis of last resort then I'm thinking maybe she had a blood clot which would have been treatable today. It's a theory. So far no symptoms in her children On Mon, 31 Jan 2005

Re: Real Life Ethics (or the Schiavo Case Comes Home, sort of)

2005-01-31 Thread Dana
mmm all the strong feelings were in favor of withholding as I recall and in this instance I think withholding is really the more compassionate way to go. Dana On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 13:32:41 -0600, Deanna Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hm Well, actually, she was always a bear of a human

Re: Real Life Ethics (or the Schiavo Case Comes Home, sort of)

2005-01-31 Thread Gruss Gott
Deanna wrote: I know his wishes - brought out to a field and shot. ;) My father-in-law says he'll wander off into the woods or if can't he says we should drop him off in the UP Triangle which is, I guess, an area of upper Michigan where people mysteriously disappear never to be seen again.

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2005-01-31 Thread Dana
Seriously though a friend of mine had a horrible time with her mother, who developed a brain tumor. She was quite irrational and refused all treatment until she was critical. Then she would get hysterical and want to be saved. She didn't want to be sick but was scared of surgery. The doctors