Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-26 Thread Jerry Barnes
"That's because you're a moron." No doubt. Why else would I spend time on the cf-community mailing list? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-26 Thread Vivec
That's because you're a moron. On 26 May 2010 09:03, Jerry Barnes wrote: > I told him both. It didn't bother me one bit. I am pretty > thick skinned about stuff like this. > > ^_^ hee hee hee ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusio

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-26 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I interpreted the 'It would take a lot more than someone on a list serve calling me a homo-phobe racist to make me take offense' as meaning that you still felt I had called you a homophobe racist but had decided not to take offense. " Nope. Strictly a generalization. I wouldn't have been offen

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-26 Thread Judah McAuley
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I don't know if you deliberately misinterpreted my comments the first time > (the bit about racist homophobes) but you kept on after > I explicitly clarified them. That, in my opinion, is dickish behavior." > > Geeze Judah.  Did you delibe

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-25 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I don't know if you deliberately misinterpreted my comments the first time (the bit about racist homophobes) but you kept on after I explicitly clarified them. That, in my opinion, is dickish behavior." Geeze Judah. Did you deliberately misinterpret this statement: "No offense was taken by the

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I'll have to send you my inclusion criteria. But in general it has to be an experimental or quasi-experimental design, use interpretable stats ie non-parametric stats like F, R, T etc. or at the very least report probability levels that can be converted to an effect size, report sample sizes of th

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Scott Stroz
y 24, 2010 1:02 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service > to blacks. > > >> I would disagree with this statement. Yes, there are some home >> schooled kids who fit this description, but I would say it is the >>

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Eric Roberts
Wouldn't that kinda taint the study then? Eric -Original Message- From: Scott Stewart [mailto:webmas...@sstwebworks.com] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:41 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. Just so ya know..

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Eric Roberts
As a note...most teachers and school administrators are against NCLB... -Original Message- From: Kris Sisk [mailto:ks...@gckschools.com] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:02 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. > I wo

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Scott Stroz
I may not agree with the political or even religious views of the HSDLA, but they have been an invaluable resource for us. We are able to get through the partisan bullshit to get the information we need. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Just so ya know.. HSLDA is run by

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Scott Stewart
Just so ya know.. HSLDA is run by the guy that runs Patrick Henry College in Purcellville (it's where I catch the commuter bus in the AM). He's an ULTRA right wing theocrat..his most famous line is something to the effect of "Tolerance cannot coexist with liberty"... I'm not implying in any way t

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Scott Stroz
http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/rudner1999/Rudner1.asp http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/ray2009/2009_Ray_StudyFINAL.pdf Though, I am fairly certain you will find fault with these. I am nto sure I have ever seen you 'approve' of a study that has been posted here - for any topic :D On Sun, May 23,

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Kris Sisk
> I would disagree with this statement. Yes, there are some home > schooled kids who fit this description, but I would say it is the > exception rather than the rule. > > Most of the home school kids I have seen (including my own children) > interact with other children, and adults, as well, or b

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Scott Stroz
I sure hoe not. :D On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Sam wrote: > > But do they know where to buy heroin? > > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> I would disagree with this statement. Yes, there are some home >> schooled kids who fit this description, but I would say it is

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Eric Roberts
We might have to look into home shootings and see how many were homeschoolers... -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:40 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Sam
But do they know where to buy heroin? On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I would disagree with this statement. Yes, there are some home > schooled kids who fit this description, but I would say it is the > exception rather than the rule. > > Most of the home school kids I ha

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Kris Sisk wrote: > > The one downside is that they're generally pretty awkward when you get them > outside of their comfort zone of other home schooled kids. I would disagree with this statement. Yes, there are some home schooled kids who fit this description,

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Scott Stroz
And, when was the last time you heard a home schooler bringing a gun to school and shooting the place up? :D On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:50 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> >> You seem to think that public schooling is the cause of the dropout ra

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-24 Thread Kris Sisk
We have a huge home schooling community here. Those kids are mostly intellectually head and shoulders above the public schooled kids of the same age. There are a few exceptions, but for the most part the home schooled kids are just dang smart. I've known a whole lot of them and every single one

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Scott Stroz
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > You seem to think that public schooling is the cause of the dropout rate. I have never heard of anyone dropping out of home school :D I really hope you take that as the joke it is meant to be. -- Scott Stroz --- You can

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Judah McAuley
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Now you are really being a dick about it and it is coming off as nothing > other than trying to distract from the issue we were discussing." > > Nice way to resort to name calling.  When argument fails, resort to insults. That isn't name

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Now you are really being a dick about it and it is coming off as nothing other than trying to distract from the issue we were discussing." Nice way to resort to name calling. When argument fails, resort to insults. "Rand Paul advocates letting businesses discriminate on the basis of categorie

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Judah McAuley
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > "Please show me a little more respect than that as I respect you." > > I showed you the same amount of respect.  I used your example with you as > the target :)  No offense was taken be the way.  It would take a lot more > than someone on a l

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"He was asked whether he would have voted for it. And he explained all the issues he had with it and was equivocating and refused to answer the question, evading instead. It seems pretty obvious to me that he would not have voted for it and does not support it." Seems to me that he said he agreed

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Judah McAuley
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > "You can sit on your porch, drink beer with your friends and spit vitriol on > every nigger-loving papist homo in Congress and I'll defend your right to do > so" > > Nice.  Are you trying to paint me as a beer drinking racist, homo-phobe?  If

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"You seem to think that public schooling is the cause of the dropout rate." Really? I don't recall stating my opinion on why the drop out rate is so high in public schools. I just gave a link giving percentages of drop out rates in larger urban areas. " You are wrong." How so? I did not giv

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
" I don't think it is a terribly complex issue. " It must be nice. "You can sit on your porch, drink beer with your friends and spit vitriol on every nigger-loving papist homo in Congress and I'll defend your right to do so" Nice. Are you trying to paint me as a beer drinking racist, homo-pho

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Sam
They were in an uproar in Texas because his middle name was mentioned in text books. Is it out of fashion now? Come to think of it I hear even Obama girl is not happy with him. On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "You also discredit yourself with the state indoctrination cr

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Sam
Remember when you said: "charter and public schools still shows no statistically significant difference." Did you forget you said they were the same or are you asking me for a peer reviewed study about the price being half? On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > you can bla

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"You also discredit yourself with the state indoctrination crap..." Really? You must have never seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3TKMKbifgQ&feature=related ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.ama

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Pardon but what are you talking about. Its a pissing contest between Scott and Eric. I have nothing to do with it." Holy misinterpretation Batman. I had no intention of imply that you had anything to do with Scott and Eric's imbroglio. I was just pointing out that the article you posted about

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
you can blather all you want but provide the data from peer reviewed studies. Otherwise you're just blowing it out your behind as usual. On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Sam wrote: > > Same thing half the price. > > > On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: >> >> Still doesn't co

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Sam
The charter schools in Oakland and LA are bucking those trends On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Just a very short comment. You seem to think that public schooling is > the cause of the dropout rate. You are wrong. Those dropout rates are > a good example of the third va

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Sam
Same thing half the price. On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Still doesn't contradict the large scale studies of issue. Of the 8 > studies I've looked at in detail now, and have put into my > meta-analysis app, the mean sample weighted effect size of the > differences b

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Just a very short comment. You seem to think that public schooling is the cause of the dropout rate. You are wrong. Those dropout rates are a good example of the third variable problem. Its most likely not the public vs private vs home school that is the problem. Rather the result is most likely d

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Eric Roberts
You also discredit yourself with the state indoctrination crap... -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 9:08 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. If children

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Still doesn't contradict the large scale studies of issue. Of the 8 studies I've looked at in detail now, and have put into my meta-analysis app, the mean sample weighted effect size of the differences between charter and public schools still shows no statistically significant difference. On Sun,

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Judah McAuley
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I pretty much agree with your interpretation of his stance in the > interview, Jerry, and that is what I've been saying I felt his point was." > > Thanks Judah.  Good to see someone analyze instead of using knee jerk > reactions. Of cours

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Sam
I remember reading about the DC charter that they do about the same for half the cost. As for CA, they do much better http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_15082068 Publicly funded and independently run charter schools did especially well in the similar schools rankings. Nearly 40 perce

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Please list at least two of them. Its all ok to say such, but I'd still like to see the citation rather than depend on a second or third hand account. One of the most basic things you learn in experimental design and data analysis courses is never depend on secondary or tertiary sources. You may b

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Pardon but what are you talking about. Its a pissing contest between Scott and Eric. I have nothing to do with it. On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Get the *fuck *over it Scott...I disagree with homeschooling...you > don't..better yet, get the *fuck *over yourself.  " >

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Scott Stroz
ly not the most business savvy > person anyway and they won't be in business long...so it's prolly a better > thing anyway. > > Eric > > -Original Message- > From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:49 PM > To: cf-commun

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
If children are home schooled, they miss the state ran indoctrination system. They might not get to watch "The Story of Stuff". What a tragedy that would be. In all seriousness, how can anyone justify the mandate of no home schooling when you have facts like these: For years, educators have t

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Eric Roberts
Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:26 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service > to blacks. > > > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Eric Roberts > wrote: >> >> Get the fuck over i

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Eric Roberts
ly not the most business savvy person anyway and they won't be in business long...so it's prolly a better thing anyway. Eric -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:49 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Busine

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Eric Roberts
I was done with it 2 months ago... -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 10:12 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. (Weird coming from me but here goes

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Scott Stroz
Larry - for years, proponents of home schooling have said that the children do not get as good of an education. There have been numerous studies that have shown that, on average, home schooled children score better on standardized tests than their public or even private school counterparts. I fir

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Scott Stroz
2010 8:26 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service > to blacks. > > > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Eric Roberts > wrote: >> >> Get the fuck over it Scott...I disagree with homeschooling...you >> don't..

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Scott Stroz
gt; > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:26 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service > to blacks. > > > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Eric

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Get the *fuck *over it Scott...I disagree with homeschooling...you don't..better yet, get the *fuck *over yourself. " "You need to get the *fuck *over yourself and stop putting words in people mouths." So Larry, is that what that article meant when it said liberals are more cerebral and non-l

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Here's a good article written by someone who lived in what Rand Paul would allow..." What Rand Paul would allows also says you can say this is a good article. Again, the issue is framed around race though; not the bigger issue of the first amendment. ~

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
"You forget one thing. Paul has a track record saying this sort of thing dating back several years." It's hard to forget something you never knew anything about. My knowledge of Rand Paul goes back about two weeks. If time and interest permits, I may look at some of his previous information. F

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
"They likely won't last long, it's a dumb decision, but they should be allowed to." Ahhh. So what you're saying is that, in the end, the only color that matters is green. If someone is enough of an idiot to discriminate, he or she will pay the price eventually, mainly at the cash register. It

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
t; mouths. > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:26 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service > to blacks. > > > On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Eric Ro

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You forget one thing. Paul has a track record saying this sort of thing dating back several years. One or twice I can see being based on political naivety. But multipl.e statments over several years suggest something else entirely. On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I pret

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Larry C. Lyons
That's hared to say. I'd like to see a couple of citations on that. That said what is really solid is not public vs private schooling for instance but parental involvement. So for the research seems to point in that direction. I just found another fairly solid study that examined it. Solid in th

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Eric Roberts
You need to get the fuck over yourself and stop putting words in people mouths. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:26 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Scott Stroz
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Get the fuck over it Scott...I disagree with homeschooling...you > don't..better yet, get the fuck over yourself.  That convo ended what, 2 > months ago.  Am I not allowed my opinion, or are you only allowed an > opinion?  You are worse tha

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Eric Roberts
unity Subject: RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. A private business should be able to do so yes. They likely won't last long, it's a dumb decision, but they should be allowed to. -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredo

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread LRS Scout
rty thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > So, here's the interview.  I used bold to highlight some lines that I > thought were interesting.  At no time in this interview does Rand Paul come > across a

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Eric Roberts
e new material already...sheesh. Eric -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 1:06 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Larry C. Lyons

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I pretty much agree with your interpretation of his stance in the interview, Jerry, and that is what I've been saying I felt his point was." Thanks Judah. Good to see someone analyze instead of using knee jerk reactions. "However, I still think that, while not necessarily a racist, he is very

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-22 Thread Scott Stroz
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > It is in the state's interest to ensure a minimal standard of > education. Its also in the state's interest to ensure that the > children are not abused or neglected. We may couch these in moral or > legalistic terms, but the bottom line

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > So, here's the interview.  I used bold to highlight some lines that I > thought were interesting.  At no time in this interview does Rand Paul come > across as a racist.  He seems to be trying very hard to make the point that > he abhors di

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Jerry Barnes
MADDOW: How about desegregating lunch counters? Lunch counters. Walgreen's lunch counters, were you in favor of that? Possibly? Because the government got involved? (CROSSTALK) PAUL: Right. Well, what it gets into is, is that then if you decide that restaurants are publicly owned and not private

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Jerry Barnes
MADDOW: When you -- PAUL: And I'm in favor of --* I'm opposed to any form of governmental racism or discrimination or segregation, all of the things we fought in the South, in fact, like I say, I think it's a stain on our history that we went 120 years from when the North desegregated and when th

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Jerry Barnes
So, here's the interview. I used bold to highlight some lines that I thought were interesting. At no time in this interview does Rand Paul come across as a racist. He seems to be trying very hard to make the point that he abhors discrimination and would not patronize any place that discriminate

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
to:boyz...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 6:24 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service >> to blacks. >> >> >> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Eric Roberts >> wrote: >> >>

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Larry C. Lyons
and white (pun intended). >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] >> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:57 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service >> to b

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Jerry Barnes
"That's not what he said on the interview. Jobs were never mentioned. It was about private businesses being able to deny service based on their personal bias." You're right. For some reason, jobs were on my mind and should fall under this issue. ~~~

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Scott Stroz
> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:50 AM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service >> to blacks. >> >> >> On

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Scott Stroz
t; that certain standards are met...that is not only in the best interest of > the children, but also to the state for economic reasons. > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 6:24 PM > To: cf-community >

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Eric Roberts
, May 21, 2010 6:24 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > **Doesn't matter...if one person's rights have been violated, then all of > our rights have been viol

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Eric Roberts
6:21 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. I understand it would be a deal breaker for you, and most likely would for me as well. I do not support racism, but I will suport a person's right to be racist. Its a free country,

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Scott Stroz
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > **Doesn't matter...if one person's rights have been violated, then all of > our rights have been violated. Does that include trying to take away a parent's right to educate their children as they see fit - because you have advocated that in

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Scott Stroz
ontinue and encourages those with those views if you support > them.  Support a racist for any reason and you are supporting racism. > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:50 AM > To: cf-community > Subject:

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Eric Roberts
-Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 6:02 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. And here is where I lose my righteous sureness. (Which does not happen often

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Eric Roberts
Yes...up until the point where it interferes with another individual's right to be free from racism. -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:51 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allow

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Jerry Johnson
And here is where I lose my righteous sureness. (Which does not happen often) Where does a person end and a corporation begin? Is any commercial transaction inherently corporatist? Can a one-man sandwich cart deny service based on race? Can a one-man plumber? Can he deny service to his ex-wife'

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Judah McAuley
re ok with it.  Issues like this are really some of > the few instances where it is pretty black and white (pun intended). > > -Original Message- > From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:57 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re:

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Eric Roberts
lol -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:51 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. I almost said "the person with the biggest shoe", envisioning E

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Eric Roberts
Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. And I agree with Jerry. Government should take a light hand with business. However, Businesses *are not people*. I want everyone to repeat that again and again until it gets through their skulls. The first duty of the Government is to

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Eric Roberts
support them. Support a racist for any reason and you are supporting racism. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:50 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. On Fri

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Eric Roberts
). -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:57 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Kris Sisk wrote: > > It's

RE: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Eric Roberts
Why not...if 3 states represent all when it comes to complaining about medicare... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:42 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks. On

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Sam
Krauthammer's Take On Rand Paul’s remarks on the Civil Rights Act: This is not going to sink him, but it is a negative. If on the first day of the general election campaign you have to issue a statement saying I'm not in favor of repealing the Civil Rights Act, you have a problem. Why are you

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Maureen
Go forth and learn. http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/how_the_gulf_of_mexico_oil_spi.html On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I do not think this is necessarily true of the BP thing, though, > admittedly, I know little about what happened other than

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Sam
That's what we call a Moonbat. He found a tiny flaw in the platform, which many have, and turned it into all Tea Parier's are racist. Now you can happily say anyone that supports small government is racist. If you're not socialist your racist. Wasn't Obama supposed to bring us together? On Fri,

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Maureen
Paul defeated the Republican Party's pick for the Senate seat, so you gotta cut them some slack on this one. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Vivec wrote: > Congratulations, Republicans. The man you chose to run for the vacant U.S. > Senate seat from Kentucky and the man who delivered the highe

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Scott Stroz
Err...the BP thing, no the BO thing. :D On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Vivec wrote: >> >> To add some fuel, Here is another Rand Paul quote: >> >> "I think it's part of this sort of blame game society in the sense that it's >> always got t

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Scott Stroz
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Vivec wrote: > > To add some fuel, Here is another Rand Paul quote: > > "I think it's part of this sort of blame game society in the sense that it's > always got to be someone's fault instead of the fact that sometimes > accidents happen." I happen to agree with

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Jerry Johnson
I almost said "the person with the biggest shoe", envisioning Eddy Murphy describing his mother's ability to peg anyone with her shoe, but was not sure if that mental image was in everyone's head. If not, it should be. NSFW (it IS Eddy Murphy) http://www.spike.com/video/moms-boomerang-shoe/28197

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Vivec
To add some fuel, Here is another Rand Paul quote: "I think it's part of this sort of blame game society in the sense that it's always got to be someone's fault instead of the fact that sometimes accidents happen." This on the fact that the Government and everyone else is blaming poor British Pe

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Vivec
Facebooked. Now it's a part of the net and advertisers' data forevers and evers . :-) lol On 21 May 2010 14:38, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > Feel free. > > You will be merciless mocked for quoting me, but that is your choice. > > ~~

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Jerry Johnson
Feel free. You will be merciless mocked for quoting me, but that is your choice. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Vivec wrote: > > can I post this as a quote to Jerry? :-) > > > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > > I have to say I actually agree with him in the abstrac

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Vivec
can I post this as a quote to Jerry? :-) > On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > I have to say I actually agree with him in the abstract. The Federal > > Government does NOT belong in private business transactions. > > > > Unfortunately, abstract fails when idiots own busine

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Sam
So are you saying he's racist? Are you also saying most of Kentucky is racist? Hmmm, I've been to Kentucky, they sure do seem to have a lot of white folk that don't like minorities. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Maureen wrote: > > That's not what I said.  There is difference between saying a

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Scott Stroz
That was directed at Eric, not you. Sorry. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Maureen wrote: > > That's not what I said.  There is difference between saying all those > who voted for him are racist and saying those who are racist, and who > are present in that area in large numbers, would vote for

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Maureen
That's not what I said. There is difference between saying all those who voted for him are racist and saying those who are racist, and who are present in that area in large numbers, would vote for him because they agreed with his stance. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > S

Re: Tea Party thinks Businesses should be allowed to deny service to blacks.

2010-05-21 Thread Judah McAuley
And I agree with Jerry. Government should take a light hand with business. However, Businesses *are not people*. I want everyone to repeat that again and again until it gets through their skulls. The first duty of the Government is to protect the rights and welfare of its people. The interests of

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