> I dunno this reeks to me more of "I'm gonna get that
> teacher back for (insert various reasons here)" then "Oh
> my God she's wearing a cross my rights have been violated"
> I guess in my grand scheme of things, someone wearing an
> emblem of their religion (Star of David, Cross, Crescent,
> Pe
Or say... Margaret Thatcher. :P
I thought they called it "holiday".
> Aye, the girl across the street is on vaca or something.
> :)
> The Queen mum? I guess so, overactive imagination aside.
> :)
> Dana wrote:
>> tsk. I submit that there are indeed cases where the
>> sight of a pearl necklace
Aye, the girl across the street is on vaca or something. :)
The Queen mum? I guess so, overactive imagination aside. :)
Dana wrote:
> tsk. I submit that there are indeed cases where the sight of a pearl
> necklace would not stir your obviously overactive imagination :) Is
> that girl across th
tsk. I submit that there are indeed cases where the sight of a pearl
necklace would not stir your obviously overactive imagination :) Is
that girl across the street not home today or something? LOL.
Seriously, a pearl necklace on the Queen Mother would be just that,
right?
Dana
On 6/28/05, Ray Ch
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Reluctantly, I agree. Assuming of course that the facts of the case
are as reported here. I think French schoolgirls should be able to
wear headscarves, and American teacher
Unless it's a Pearl necklace. :)
Dana wrote:
> true... and children are subject to all sort of limitations as to the
> clothes *they* can wear to school. While I think that some
> restrictions are necessary (see-through blouses and gang colors come
> to mind) a number of schools I have dealt with
true... and children are subject to all sort of limitations as to the
clothes *they* can wear to school. While I think that some
restrictions are necessary (see-through blouses and gang colors come
to mind) a number of schools I have dealt with had some really silly
restrictions. Pink frilly dresse
ss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>
> > Larry wrote:
> > Where and when? The cases that the ACLU have taken on are constitutionally
> > based.
>
> The teacher w
I don't think a smaller organization would be capable of taking on the
Patriot Act.
Dana
On 6/28/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Smaller organizations, like shelters, do a great job of addressing the
> local symptoms. But sometimes you need a large organization to deal
> with the sy
> Sam wrote:
> How sterile do you want your children's environment to
> be?
>
How dirty do we want it to be?
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> Brian wrote:
> In this scenario, the school could be perfectly within their right to tell
> teachers that they aren't allowed to wear ANY symbol such as a cross or
> pentagram or.but this would be decided on a school by school basis, and
> not by a federal mandate. (If one school won't let yo
What if the teacher's white and the kids are not? What if they have an
accent? What if they wear expensive clothing, jewelry, nice shoes or
gang colors? How sterile do you want your children's environment to
be?
On 6/28/05, Larry Lyons wrote:
> While I agree that this may be a bit extreme I can
>
> On 6/28/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> have a dress code for teachers? Should they be free to endorse any
> lifestyle they'd like? How about if the teacher had a pentagram or
> Nazi symbol?
>
Good questions. The way I see it, there are two considerations here.
1) The federal st
>One case comes to my mind. A public school teacher wore a gold cross around
>her neck. Just a little necklace.
>
>A child complained that it was offensive (we won't discuss the silliness of
>this assertion). The ACLU came swooping in on the side of the CHILD. This
>really bothered me, as I see
> Ike wrote:
> nose and eyebrow rings all the time, which is trivial, so I don't
> think it's beyond the pale to ask a public servant to act as though
> they're serving the public and not just those members of the public
> who happen to agree with their particular religious inclinations.
>
I agre
>
> Evidence please. The ACLU's annual report show that most of their money is
> from small donations, according to their 2004 annual report,
> http://www.aclu.org/About/About.cfm?ID=17235&c=204
>
> Moreover with that argument most organizations to the right of center fit
> within your criteria,
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From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Larry wrote:
> Where and when? The cases
BAM! Nazi post.
On 6/28/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> have a dress code for teachers? Should they be free to endorse any
> lifestyle they'd like? How about if the teacher had a pentagram or
> Nazi symbol?
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> One case comes to my mind. A public school teacher wore a
> gold cross around her neck. Just a little necklace.
> A child complained that it was offensive (we won't discuss
> the silliness of this assertion). The ACLU came swooping
> in on the side of the CHILD. This really bothered me, as
> I s
> Larry wrote:
> Where and when? The cases that the ACLU have taken on are constitutionally
> based.
The teacher with the cross around her neck is maybe one - however
there is an issue here:
1.) On the one hand the teacher has a right to express her religion
(cross, yamaka, head scarf)
2.) On
>They simply suffer the same problem that many large organizations of their
>ilk do. They receive disproportionately large monetary donations from a
>handful of people. These people have their specific agendas. Some are good,
>some are suspect. The organization sees that the money is used to fur
Smaller organizations, like shelters, do a great job of addressing the
local symptoms. But sometimes you need a large organization to deal
with the systemic problems.
But yeah, there are lots of big orgs that take things to extremes.
On 6/28/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They simply suffer t
One case comes to my mind. A public school teacher wore a gold cross around
her neck. Just a little necklace.
A child complained that it was offensive (we won't discuss the silliness of
this assertion). The ACLU came swooping in on the side of the CHILD. This
really bothered me, as I see the te
> Brian wrote:
> And I'm not sure I agree with your ascertion that you have to go "over the
> top" to get normal stuff done. When an organization starts going "over the
> top", they start to trivialize themselves in my mind (PETA for example).
>
Do have any examples of positions that that ACLU ha
They simply suffer the same problem that many large organizations of their
ilk do. They receive disproportionately large monetary donations from a
handful of people. These people have their specific agendas. Some are good,
some are suspect. The organization sees that the money is used to further
> Brian wrote:
> I'd advise you strongly to keep your hard earned money, or to give to
> another charitable organization.
>
Please remind me again of your objections to them. Some of the stuff
they pursue is, granted, a bit over the top but then it seems you have
to be a bit over the top to get
I'd advise you strongly to keep your hard earned money, or to give to
another charitable organization.
>I would wholeheartedly suggest to any and all of you who are not active
> members of the ACLU to join right now:
>
> http://www.aclu.org
>
> It's only $35 per year, and your money is being wis
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From: "Gruss Gott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 3:10 PM
Subject: Thanks ACLU!
> Personally I'm glad
> I think the ACLU is a perfect example of how true liberty
> and freedom is NOT supposed to be all sunshine and happy
> feelings. Liberty is not always easy or pretty.
Thanks Ray. I'm very tempted to archive this thought somewhere...
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Dana wrote:
> I think that if there were not an ACLU we would have to invent it.
> Which is more work and sacrifice than I really want to commit to, so I
> am grateful to those who have done it already :)
Amen, preach it again!
--Ben
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> Dana wrote:
> I think that if there were not an ACLU we would have to invent it.
> Which is more work and sacrifice than I really want to commit to, so I
> am grateful to those who have done it already :)
>
Well said!! That's what I was mumbling.
~~
I think that if there were not an ACLU we would have to invent it.
Which is more work and sacrifice than I really want to commit to, so I
am grateful to those who have done it already :)
Dana
On 6/27/05, Ben Doom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think there's no such thing as an organization that's
I think there's no such thing as an organization that's ALL good, but
the ACLU is a darn sight better than most!
Plus, as a denizen of this fair land called Kentucky (we have lots of
fairs, you see) I'm glad that someone is taking steps to put the
smackdown on the bigoted jerks who think that Chri
I think the ACLU is a perfect example of how true liberty and freedom
is NOT supposed to be all sunshine and happy feelings. Liberty is not
always easy or pretty.
On 6/27/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally I'm glad we have a organization like the ACLU who is taking
> these case
Me too! The ACLU rocks.
On 6/27/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally I'm glad we have a organization like the ACLU who is taking
> these cases (10 commandments) to court.
>
> While I know some of you think the ACLU isn't all good (I'm still
> undecided), in this case they were.
Personally I'm glad we have a organization like the ACLU who is taking
these cases (10 commandments) to court.
While I know some of you think the ACLU isn't all good (I'm still
undecided), in this case they were.
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