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2003-02-20 Thread Jim Davis
> Umm stop the bus you're way off. > > in 1935 & 1936 germany was very weak very poor and who are > the allies you talk of? Even in 1939 Germanys military was > not ready for war not until 1941 was its military machine of > any real depth. 1939 if the allies could have kept it > together they

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2003-02-20 Thread healdt
1) Germany and it's allies were strong and allowed to build up massive military machines. Iraq is not strong and has not been allowed (even at it's height) to build military machines capable of conquest on a global scale. >>> Germany was not strong. After the first world war it had been disarmed

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2003-02-20 Thread Bill Wheatley
e. - Original Message - From: "Jim Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[

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2003-02-20 Thread John Stanley
domination of the USA over the world will be complete.unless the UN pays us . one hundred million dollars. -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:58 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us

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2003-02-20 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:53 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > > > Ok, > > Don't compare Iraq to 19400 or 41 Germany. Compare it

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2003-02-19 Thread healdt
t: RE: The Choice Before Us > Jim, were not trying to figure out what to eat here. > We are in fact talking about dictators and powerfull > government figures. So, to compare and contrast with > historical figures is quite valid. Comparison with comparible historical figures perhaps.

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2003-02-18 Thread Jim Davis
> Jim, > > What are your feelings on the treaties signed by Iraq at the > end of the Gulf war agreeing to voluntarily disarm, get rid > of all WMD, other weaponry (such as long range missiles)? > > Should the Iraqis be held to these agreements? > What should be the penalties for not upholding t

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2003-02-18 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 1:16 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > > > Jim, > > What are your feelings on the treaties signed by Iraq at the >

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2003-02-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Any agreement is only as strong as the paper its written on as we've seen from the North Korea situation. As for the world community, that concept (as well as the UN) is a joke. All you need is a country or two to be contrary for its own interests and it fails. Lets look at some situations: Iraq -

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2003-02-18 Thread Jerry Johnson
Jim, What are your feelings on the treaties signed by Iraq at the end of the Gulf war agreeing to voluntarily disarm, get rid of all WMD, other weaponry (such as long range missiles)? Should the Iraqis be held to these agreements? What should be the penalties for not upholding them? What about

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2003-02-18 Thread Jim Davis
> Crew, sorry to keep this going but I cant let this go by. > Jim, Lets take this point by point. > > > Germany and it's allies were in a position to militarily, > technologically and economically control much (perhaps all) > of Europe and significant areas of Asia and Africa as well. > Sadd

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2003-02-18 Thread Jim Davis
> //snip > not to be inflamitory, but surely any argument that applies > to the Iraq > situation apart from oil applies more to South Korea? > //snip > > Was that not the biggest dodge I have ever seen. If you say > the oil argument holds water, prove it. I haven't seen any > valid argument

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2003-02-18 Thread Andre Turrettini
2003 8:20 AM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us I have to agree. I think comparing Saddam to Hitler is incorrect and potentially grossly offensive to the memories of the millions of people who died fighting him. While we are at it, lets add Saudi to the list. Their history of hu

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2003-02-18 Thread Jerry Johnson
Well, the answer to this question lies in what type of trees they are, who owns the lumber rights, and who is in office in Washington and at the state capitol. Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/17/03 08:34AM >>> It seems extremely simple to me. If you have a small fire in a huge forest full

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2003-02-18 Thread Harkins,Patrick
how about dropping a few of them babies on Iraq? :-) >-Original Message- >From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:58 AM >To: CF-Community >Subject: The Choice Before Us > >Three words for you: World Pork Expo. Best tenderlo

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2003-02-18 Thread Kevin Schmidt
//snip What about the pork tenderloin sandwiches? One of my favorite Iowa memories. //snip Three words for you: World Pork Expo. Best tenderloins in the Universe. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?foru

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2003-02-18 Thread Kevin Schmidt
//snip 1. the iraq's have an oil stash 2. Its worth a small fortune, enough to bolster an economy for a not insignificant while //snip Ok, that wasn't so hard. So you think that we want to risk American lives so we can get more oil to help the slumping economy. Doesn't do much for supporting

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2003-02-18 Thread Will Swain
Sent: 18 February 2003 15:31 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us lets think 1. the iraq's have an oil stash 2. Its worth a small fortune, enough to bolster an economy for a not insignificant while 3. All the other arguments, have no definete proof and do not really

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2003-02-18 Thread Harkins,Patrick
...yes and why is there no mention of them? As I recall, Bush's original justification for interest in Iraq was the "you're harbouring terrorists so you're in deep shit" argument, but it has turned into what I can only describe as military gamesmanship looking for a reason. Which in my opinion is

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2003-02-18 Thread Jerry Johnson
- From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:46 AM Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > Exciting, so bacon is pretty cheap there? I love baconand I think I > speak for everyone

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2003-02-18 Thread Mark Smyth
the combination leads me to my conclusion and i'm not a liberal for the record -Original Message- From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 February 2003 14:28 To: CF-Community Subject: The Choice Before Us //snip surely i don't have to prove anything. If your go

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2003-02-18 Thread Andy Ousterhout
-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us I have to agree. I think comparing Saddam to Hitler is incorrect and potentially grossly offensive to the memories of the millions of people who died fighting him. While we are at it, lets add Saudi to the list. Their history of human rights abuses is m

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2003-02-18 Thread Kevin Schmidt
//snip surely i don't have to prove anything. If your government and mine wish to attack another country its THEM that have to prove they have the right to do so. So far in my opinion and many others, they havn't. //snip Why the spin? Can't you defend your assertion that the war in Iraq is a

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2003-02-18 Thread Kevin Graeme
was outdated intel. I'm not saying wait for the "smoking gun". Just show me a new gun with a round in the chamber and fingerprints on it and I'll get out of the way. -Kevin > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesda

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2003-02-18 Thread Will Swain
? There are countless countries that the US and UK should be liberating. w -Original Message- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 February 2003 15:13 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us comparing the iraq of today to Nazi germany is virtually

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2003-02-18 Thread Mark Smyth
t not more applicable to another dodgy country -Original Message- From: Andre Turrettini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 February 2003 15:04 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us Crew, sorry to keep this going but I cant let this go by. Jim, Lets take this point by point. G

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2003-02-18 Thread Andre Turrettini
Crew, sorry to keep this going but I cant let this go by. Jim, Lets take this point by point. Germany and it's allies were in a position to militarily, technologically and economically control much (perhaps all) of Europe and significant areas of Asia and Africa as well. Saddam is barely capabl

RE: The Choice Before Us

2003-02-18 Thread Mark Smyth
in Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 February 2003 13:51 To: CF-Community Subject: The Choice Before Us //snip not to be inflamitory, but surely any argument that applies to the Iraq situation apart from oil applies more to South Korea? //snip Was that not the biggest dodge I have ever

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2003-02-18 Thread Kevin Schmidt
//snip not to be inflamitory, but surely any argument that applies to the Iraq situation apart from oil applies more to South Korea? //snip Was that not the biggest dodge I have ever seen. If you say the oil argument holds water, prove it. I haven't seen any valid arguments that prove oil is

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2003-02-18 Thread Will Swain
mmon rebuttal from people. I feel very angry about how my government, and Prime Minister in particular, is dragging us into a war without taking account of public opinion. w -Original Message- From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 February 2003 13:38 To: CF-Community Subj

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2003-02-18 Thread Kevin Schmidt
//snip As an argument it holds more water than the Titanic that is the WMD position, or for that matter the moral outrage position. //snip As yet, I have not seen a convincing argument to make me believe it holds any water. Feel free to try though, you never know. ~

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2003-02-18 Thread Will Swain
Sent: 18 February 2003 13:25 To: CF-Community Subject: The Choice Before Us //snip but don't forget, we aren't allowed to talk about oil. we'd be stupid if we thought that's what it was all about. //snip Obviously your are referring to my comment to Maureen. I never said you w

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2003-02-18 Thread Kevin Schmidt
//snip but don't forget, we aren't allowed to talk about oil. we'd be stupid if we thought that's what it was all about. //snip Obviously your are referring to my comment to Maureen. I never said you were stupid if you thought that, just that you lose credibility in my eye, as that argument d

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2003-02-18 Thread Will Swain
yup...thought I might make a trip up to the big smoke!! w -Original Message- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 February 2003 12:44 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us not sure as yet, havn't given it a great deal of thought. Going to have a close

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2003-02-18 Thread Mark Smyth
hoice Before Us so sorry... :) you going to cf-europe in may? w -Original Message- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 February 2003 12:14 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us please don't be ridiculous ;) -Original Message- From: Will Swa

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2003-02-18 Thread Will Swain
so sorry... :) you going to cf-europe in may? w -Original Message- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 February 2003 12:14 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us please don't be ridiculous ;) -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:[

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2003-02-18 Thread Mark Smyth
please don't be ridiculous ;) -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 February 2003 12:07 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us absolutely but don't forget, we aren't allowed to talk about oil. we'd be stupid if we th

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2003-02-18 Thread Will Swain
absolutely but don't forget, we aren't allowed to talk about oil. we'd be stupid if we thought that's what it was all about. w -Original Message- From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 18 February 2003 12:02 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice

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2003-02-18 Thread Mark Smyth
: The Choice Before Us I think she meant that it was heartening to see so many people of like mind re the war, from all different walks of life and backgrounds. w -Original Message- From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 February 2003 18:46 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The

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2003-02-18 Thread Will Swain
I think she meant that it was heartening to see so many people of like mind re the war, from all different walks of life and backgrounds. w -Original Message- From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 February 2003 18:46 To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The Choice Before Us

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2003-02-17 Thread Maureen
At 06:25 PM 2/17/03, Jim wrote: >It's become a joke in and of itself to bring up Hitler in an argument. Godwin's Law /prov./ [Usenet] "As a Internet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once

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2003-02-17 Thread Jim Davis
> lol now thats just silly. > > I'm not taking either side but i think that people DONT want > to give a dictator the power to perhaps move into the HITLER realm. > > I would put Saddam into the HITLERish category he just does > not run a major power like hitler did. > > Comparing a murdering

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2003-02-17 Thread Jim Davis
> Jim, were not trying to figure out what to eat here. > We are in fact talking about dictators and powerfull > government figures. So, to compare and contrast with > historical figures is quite valid. Comparison with comparible historical figures perhaps. Hitler and Saddam are incomparable for

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
worldwide country with no enemies, and complete and utter domination of other cultures. -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 2:26 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us LOL! I'll have to remember

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2003-02-17 Thread Kevin Graeme
y threat. -Kevin > -Original Message- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:10 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > > > > I wonder if you were transported back in time to 1939 and you > >

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
003 1:57 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The Choice Before Us lol now thats just silly. I'm not taking either side but i think that people DONT want to give a dictator the power to perhaps move into the HITLER realm. I would put Saddam into the HITLERish category he just does not run a m

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2003-02-17 Thread Bill Wheatley
itler is not even in the same ballpark as saying hitler ate fish :) - Original Message - From: "Jim Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:09 PM Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > I wonder if y

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2003-02-17 Thread Andre Turrettini
t: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:10 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > > > > I wonder if you were transported back in time to 1939 and you > > had the choice to protest against war with the Nazi's, you > > would probably march up and down the st

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2003-02-17 Thread Bill Wheatley
PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:56 AM Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us would have loved to, but with twin 4 week old boys who both have streaming colds, unfortunately I couldn't. My mother in law went though, she had a g

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
How dare you defame Office Space by including it in this discussion!! ;-p -Original Message- From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 1:10 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > I wonder if you were transported back in time to 1939

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us theres a world of difference between disagreeing and getting pissed off. mind you, i don't really know why I'm involved in this at all. guess im just nosy!! ;) w -Original Message- From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 Februa

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2003-02-17 Thread Jim Davis
> I wonder if you were transported back in time to 1939 and you > had the choice to protest against war with the Nazi's, you > would probably march up and down the street saying "all we > are saying, is give peace a chance" as the Nazi armor rolled over you. "The nazis had little pieces of fla

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2003-02-17 Thread Kevin Graeme
> From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:23 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: The Choice Before Us > > > Wonder who's numbers those are, as this line right here casts doubt: > > Organizers estimated the crowd at 100,0

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2003-02-17 Thread Will Swain
ubject: RE: The Choice Before Us right...because that would be wrong, to be angry about the position of the original e-mail. If the world was a massive field of daisies that we could all romp in as one, and jump around and love each other, then I would agree with everything that was said. But unf

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2003-02-17 Thread Will Swain
come oni think we are off topic here now ;) which is probably a good thing w -Original Message- From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 February 2003 14:54 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us I could go for one right nowI'm sta

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2003-02-17 Thread Will Swain
t: RE: The Choice Before Us i was there, did you go will? -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 February 2003 12:43 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us Anywhere between 1 and 2 million people in London. That makes this easily the biggest

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
ay, February 17, 2003 12:23 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The Choice Before Us Wonder who's numbers those are, as this line right here casts doubt: Organizers estimated the crowd at 100,000; police put it at 30,000. Organizers always inflate there numbers. So is 6 million the organizer t

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2003-02-17 Thread Kevin Schmidt
tive moral outrage. - Original Message - From: "Harkins,Patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 11:19 AM Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > http://makeashorterlink.com/?N57721083 > >

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2003-02-17 Thread Harkins,Patrick
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N57721083 >-Original Message- >From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:40 AM >To: CF-Community >Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > > >What 'overwhelming' turnout? >What's th

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
I could go for one right nowI'm starving -Original Message- From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:51 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The Choice Before Us I eat some bacon, but the Pork chops here are awesome. They have Iowa cho

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2003-02-17 Thread Kevin Schmidt
I eat some bacon, but the Pork chops here are awesome. They have Iowa chops as big as porterhouses! Great stuff! - Original Message - From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:46 AM S

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
Choice Before Us No, pigs. We have more pigs per capita than people. - Original Message - From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:40 AM Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > Yes

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2003-02-17 Thread Kevin Schmidt
No, pigs. We have more pigs per capita than people. - Original Message - From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:40 AM Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > Yes, but think about a

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
Yes, but think about all that corn you get to see growingthat is Iowa, isn't it? -Original Message- From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:35 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The Choice Before Us well 1 out of 2 ain't bad! I

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2003-02-17 Thread Kevin Schmidt
nt: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:31 AM Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > I have lived in California, Louisiana, and Florida and I love Michigan the > best, I think it is the friendly people and > solid professional football team that makes me most > happyoh...crapwhat have I done

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:20 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The Choice Before Us My wife is from GR and I have lived there, Lansing and Ann Arbor. We have a cottage on Gunn Lake up near Ludington, so we're back there quite a bit. - Original Message - From: "John Stanle

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2003-02-17 Thread Kevin Schmidt
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:17 AM Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > Waterford, which is near Pontiac. Are you from Michigan? > > -Original Message- > From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:12 AM > To: CF-Community >

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
Waterford, which is near Pontiac. Are you from Michigan? -Original Message- From: Kevin Schmidt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 9:12 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: The Choice Before Us John, Where in Michigan are you? Kevin - Original Message

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2003-02-17 Thread Kevin Schmidt
John, Where in Michigan are you? Kevin - Original Message - From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:46 AM Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > i dont have 3 feet of snow,

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2003-02-17 Thread Bill Wheatley
Yea i miss the snow too :( - Original Message - From: "John Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:46 AM Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us i dont have 3 feet of snow, but happily I dont hav

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
: Re: The Choice Before Us If you switched off how come you emailed :) Seemed more like you got switched upto super hyped up lol Let us just go and relax in our nice 80+ weather today while everyone else gets to play in their 3 feet of snow - Original Message - From: "Angel St

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2003-02-17 Thread Bill Wheatley
TED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:19 AM Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us Not more anger than what was in the original email about 'little girls' dying. I switch off whenever I start reading something that uses imagined thre

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2003-02-17 Thread Bill Wheatley
Hrm i've been starting to think that many "extreme" things we can do without. - Original Message - From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 8:12 AM Subject: RE: The

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2003-02-17 Thread Bill Wheatley
CTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 2:02 PM Subject: The Choice Before Us First, you need to take note that Saddam has actually been a territory aggressor – this is perhaps the most important point. Saddam was mounting his military next to the Saudi border before we invaded (thus the reason

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us You have hit the nail on the head. These 'peace protestors' are extremist. Peace at all Costs = War At All costs. Sadly..it WILL take a major city of the world getting hit by nuclear, or chemical weapons...or for a plague to spread

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
t: RE: The Choice Before Us wowsuch anger. chill w -Original Message- From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 February 2003 13:03 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us Maureen, the choice before us was made by the sadistic, gun toting madman who continu

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2003-02-17 Thread Mark Smyth
i was there, did you go will? -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 February 2003 12:43 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us Anywhere between 1 and 2 million people in London. That makes this easily the biggest ever turnout for any kind

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2003-02-17 Thread Bill Wheatley
I am a lefty type myself though i feel at was as onesided as some of the stuff i hear come out of the warhawks mouth :) - Original Message - From: "Maureen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 11:14

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2003-02-17 Thread Angel Stewart
PROTECTED]] wowsuch anger. chill w -Original Message- From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Maureen, the choice before us was made by the sadistic, gun toting madman who continues to threaten world peace and stability. I have served in the military and would gladly give

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2003-02-17 Thread Will Swain
wowsuch anger. chill w -Original Message- From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 February 2003 13:03 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us Maureen, the choice before us was made by the sadistic, gun toting madman who continues to threaten world peace

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2003-02-17 Thread Angel Stewart
- From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Maureen, the choice before us was made by the sadistic, gun toting madman who continues to threaten world peace and stability. I have served in the military and would gladly give my legs so that MY children don't have to grow up in a world with this

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2003-02-17 Thread John Stanley
Maureen, the choice before us was made by the sadistic, gun toting madman who continues to threaten world peace and stability. I have served in the military and would gladly give my legs so that MY children don't have to grow up in a world with this pestilence inhabiting it. I can't beli

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2003-02-17 Thread Angel Stewart
*folds arms* humph -Gel -Original Message- From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Anywhere between 1 and 2 million people in London. That makes this easily the biggest ever turnout for any kind of march in this country. And this at a time when people are supposedly apathetic.

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2003-02-17 Thread Will Swain
ailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 17 February 2003 12:40 To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us What 'overwhelming' turnout? What's the population of those cities where marches took place? How many people turned out? How is that overwhelming? -Gel -Original Messag

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2003-02-17 Thread Angel Stewart
What 'overwhelming' turnout? What's the population of those cities where marches took place? How many people turned out? How is that overwhelming? -Gel -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] You know what, Kevin, I'm going to practice what I preach and refuse to

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2003-02-16 Thread Kevin Schmidt
not say so publically. - Original Message - From: "samcfug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: Re: The Choice Before Us > You state all the facts, why no one should support the S

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2003-02-16 Thread samcfug
ee this country pulling its troops out of Germany, and any other European country that opposes us. A little more nationalism would be a good thing, I think in my own libertarian mind. = Douglas White | Subject: The Choice Before Us | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [

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2003-02-16 Thread nnielsen
First, you need to take note that Saddam has actually been a territory aggressor – this is perhaps the most important point. Saddam was mounting his military next to the Saudi border before we invaded (thus the reason we were allowed to use Saudi land for the attack - they hate us perhaps more

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2003-02-16 Thread Kevin Schmidt
In other words you have no sustance to your argument. That's fine I understand. - Original Message - From: "Maureen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 1:02 AM Subject: Re: The Choice Before Us

RE: The Choice Before Us

2003-02-16 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Ben Braver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 11:40 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > > > I'm taking what I believe to be a moderate stance, as follows: I agree with most o

RE: The Choice Before Us

2003-02-16 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Ben, I believe that I am a moderate as well, although I am on the right-hand side. I am wrestling with what is the right thing to do. I've added my thoughts below, which unfortunately, are mostly questions for which I would like to see an answer. Unfortunately, we really don't seem to be gettin

Re: The Choice Before Us

2003-02-15 Thread Maureen
You know what, Kevin, I'm going to practice what I preach and refuse to argue with you about this. I posted something that reflected my opinion and based on the overwhelming turnout for the peace marches today, the opinion of millions of other people. So I'm going to bask in peace and quiet,

RE: The Choice Before Us

2003-02-15 Thread Ben Braver
03:24 AM 2/15/03 -0500, you wrote: >> -Original Message- >> From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:23 AM >> To: CF-Community >> Subject: Re: The Choice Before Us >> >> >> At 12:22 AM 2/15/03, Kevin wrot

Re: The Choice Before Us

2003-02-15 Thread Kevin Schmidt
me things, only he is backing his words with actions. - Original Message - From: "Maureen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 5:30 PM Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us > At 06:20 PM 2/15/03,

RE: The Choice Before Us

2003-02-15 Thread Andy Ousterhout
lying about his motive? -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 5:31 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us At 06:20 PM 2/15/03, Andy wrote: >Ok. We have a precise list of what Saddam is missing. What is Bush ly

RE: The Choice Before Us

2003-02-15 Thread Maureen
At 06:20 PM 2/15/03, Andy wrote: >Ok. We have a precise list of what Saddam is missing. What is Bush lying >about? Motive. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.hous

RE: The Choice Before Us

2003-02-15 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Ok. We have a precise list of what Saddam is missing. What is Bush lying about? -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 5:06 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: The Choice Before Us At 05:51 PM 2/15/03, you wrote: >If we don'

RE: The Choice Before Us

2003-02-15 Thread Maureen
At 05:51 PM 2/15/03, you wrote: >If we don't go to war people will die. This is also an undisputed fact. >So is the sun rising in the morning, setting at night, taxes, and much of >the other tripe used by both sides to avoid a logical discussion. > >The US has cited what we know about Saddam. W

RE: The Choice Before Us

2003-02-15 Thread Andy Ousterhout
If we don't go to war people will die. This is also an undisputed fact. So is the sun rising in the morning, setting at night, taxes, and much of the other tripe used by both sides to avoid a logical discussion. The US has cited what we know about Saddam. What I continue to find amazing is the

Re: The Choice Before Us

2003-02-15 Thread Kevin Schmidt
anyone is out there let's go! - Original Message - From: "Kevin Schmidt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2003 2:49 PM Subject: Re: The Choice Before Us > Of course people will die. Th

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