FWIW, McCain fired it (the POW/pass rhetoric) up on Monday at a campaign rally.
that was after he had peddled his economy in crisis message and his
"Veep is a woman" message.
so there was at least one this week.
>> > Chuck wrote:
>> > what happened to the daily updates?
>> > *tumbleweeds*
>> >
>
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Chuck wrote:
> > what happened to the daily updates?
> > *tumbleweeds*
> >
>
> Well it switched to "lipstick", then "sexist", now it's "workers".
>
> I heard Bill Maher say tonight that the average American is too dumb
> to
Pt..
He's talking about the guy that started a "Today's POW Update" thread
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I heard Bill Maher say tonight that the average American is too dumb
> to be governed; that he/she ha
> Chuck wrote:
> what happened to the daily updates?
> *tumbleweeds*
>
Well it switched to "lipstick", then "sexist", now it's "workers".
I heard Bill Maher say tonight that the average American is too dumb
to be governed; that he/she has no capacity to form or analyze
reasoned arguments and inst
what happened to the daily updates?
*tumbleweeds*
:)
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Bruce Sorge wrote:
> The whole deal about Kerry is that he received medals to get out of war
> early. The three Purple Hearts he received (notice how I don't use the
> words earned or deserved) were for superficial wounds that the average
> joe (or sailor) would hav
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> I don't listen to Rush.
>
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I don't listen to Rush.
Gruss Gott wrote:
> What he meant was that for many poor people that can't afford college
> - and usually happen to be minorities - the military is the best
> option and that there should be more options than that.
>
> But you're convinced otherwise (which is odd since Kerr
you guys sure can infer a lot from that quote. Including your
postulation that it was aimed at the common soldier and not a G.W.
'cause of course we know that to win a campaign you attack soldiers
and not the other candidate.excellent deductive skills guys.
On Aug 26, 2008, at 7:46 PM,
puh-leeze and the stuff about McCain's houses is old ;) fwiw here is
his side of that. He does have one.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/11/01/kerrys_stuck_in_iraq_remark_ignites_firefight_with_bush_gop/
moving on
Dana
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:46 PM, Bruce Sorge <
> Bruce wrote:
> "You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard,
What he meant was that for many poor people that can't afford college
- and usually happen to be minorities - the military is the best
option and that there should be more options than that.
But you're convince
Fine. Here is the exact quote:
*October 30, 2006:* John Kerry speaking at a rally for California
gubernatorial candidate Phil Angelides at Pasadena City College, on
October 30, 2006, said:
"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard,
you do your homework, and you
He was pretty close. Actually, Kerry's specific remarks were far worse
because they demonstrated his disdain, his actual disdain, for our
soldiers fighting in an active war zone. Just pathetic. Anyway, we
don't need to rehash the whole thing, but here is the actual quote:
"You know, education, if
Same old spin. Don't post the exact quote. Post some variant of it
that makes the speaker look like you want him to look.
I don't even like John Kerry, but rehashing the last campaign by
posting distortions is beneath you Bruce.
You're a better man than to let yourself be used a shill by the
di
Oh, and another thing about Kerry. Anyone remember his speech some time
ago where he basically called the men and women in the military idiots?
Something about you need to go to college or you might find yourself in
Iraq. I know I misquoted but I think that this was the gist of what he
said. An
The whole deal about Kerry is that he received medals to get out of war
early. The three Purple Hearts he received (notice how I don't use the
words earned or deserved) were for superficial wounds that the average
joe (or sailor) would have never seen a doc for. He knew that if you
received thr
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 12:40 PM, G Money wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Maureen wrote:
>> Classic disinformation technique.
>
> Good call MaureenI can't believe McCain would hijack such an important
> discussion, like how many houses he owns, with some piddly little piece of
>
Sounds to me like his advisors are telling him to that any time
someone brings up a issue, he should mention his time as a POW.
Bad advise, if you ask me.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's what advisors as for.
>
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:42 AM, M
That's what advisors as for.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Maureen wrote:
> So because he was in a prison 40 years ago, he can't keep up with his
> current financial situation?
>
> Is that the excuse we're gonna get when he can't keep up with the
> Federal Budget?
>
~
Yeah and he's been backing Romney for a long time. Of course he backed
the Bush's financially for years. He's a billionaire, thanks to his
buying up half of St. Pete and becoming the King of the Strip mall.
Among other things.
Gruss Gott wrote:
>> gg wrote:
>> Yeah ... holy crap. I found this
Yes Sembler is pure evil.
Unfortunately I know him too well. My brother was a casualty of this so
called "Drug War", he was in Straight Inc. back in the early 80's wrote
his story and put it online about
8 years ago http://www.webdiva.org/straight/
and as far as I'm concerned his blood is on Se
> gg wrote:
> Yeah ... holy crap. I found this:
> http://alexconstantine.blogspot.com/2007/08/mel-sembler-romney-money-mana-mel.html
>
Holy crap is this Sembler rotten. THAT's the guy that sounds evil, wow.
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> Kelly wrote:
> oops scratch the melsembler link that doesn't work. but there's plenty
> more out there.
>
Yeah ... holy crap. I found this:
http://alexconstantine.blogspot.com/2007/08/mel-sembler-romney-money-mana-mel.html
which isn't that well written but ... that shit's just bizarre. WTF.
oops scratch the melsembler link that doesn't work. but there's plenty
more out there.
Kelly wrote:
> Sure do...
> http://www.reason.com/news/show/121088.html
> http://www.reason.com/news/show/117088.html
> http://melsembler.com/
> http://www.webdiva.org/fox/
>
> I could go on, that should get yo
google is your friend...
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Mel_Sembler
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Kelly wrote:
> > Well I personally don't like him because of his close ties with abusive
> > rehabilitation facilities and his financial bac
Sure do...
http://www.reason.com/news/show/121088.html
http://www.reason.com/news/show/117088.html
http://melsembler.com/
http://www.webdiva.org/fox/
I could go on, that should get you started though. Feel free to google
- Romney Sembler Straight Inc. - and you'll find quite a bit too.
Gruss G
> Kelly wrote:
> Well I personally don't like him because of his close ties with abusive
> rehabilitation facilities and his financial backer Mel Sembler
I've never heard of this. Do you have any links? Romney's worth
plenty, not to mention has a PEG he could use, so I don't know why
he'd need a
Well I personally don't like him because of his close ties with abusive
rehabilitation facilities and his financial backer Mel Sembler, who used
to own Straight Inc. one of the most abusive teen rehabs in our country.
McCain will surely lose my vote it he chooses Romney. It's very personal
for m
> Kelly wrote:
>> I still think it's going to be Romney.
>>
I kinda like Romney. Sure he's flip flopped a bunch and has CLEARLY
pandered, but for some reason I'm willing to forgive him. I guess
it's because I think he's fundamentally a good person, but his
ambition overrides his *public* opinion
Romney = the devil! Thank you and have a nice day. lol
>
> I still think it's going to be Romney.
>
>
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> g wrote:
> I already pity you Gruss, no need to solicit it.
>
LOL! Oh, lordy, thank you. I needed that right about now (got a few
stresses goin). Too funny ...
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But then he reversed that, became good friends with Falwell before
> Falwell's death, and has accepted endorsement from Hagee, etc.
I don't know what it is about Falwell...whom I always considered the Most
Dangerous Man in Am
No.
G Money wrote:
> *sigh*
>
> At the end of the day, we're all voting for Obama anyway, right? :)
>
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> gMoney wrote:
>>> *shrug* It's all subjective.
>>>
>> Mm Hm.
>>
>> Mr McCain would you like a piece of cake? "We
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:55 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why had you intended to support McCain, out of curiosity? The snuggling up
> to the religious right has ALWAYS been my major contention with the
> republican party.
I always felt like he was a bit of a maverick in the Republica
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Charlie Griefer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> well, for whatever it's worth (and i realize it may not be much), i'm not a
> registered republican. i voted Kerry. i voted Perot. my defense of
> McCain
> here has nothing to do with a partisan zealotry. i just see t
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:00 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In a moment of seriousness, I tried a stunt on my bike because I
> thought it would be cool and I gashed my chin. I got 5 stitches. I
> didn't ride my bike that day because I wanted to support a candidate.
>
I already pity
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:56 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> *sigh*
>
> At the end of the day, we're all voting for Obama anyway, right? :)
>
well, for whatever it's worth (and i realize it may not be much), i'm not a
registered republican. i voted Kerry. i voted Perot. my defense of
> gMoney wrote:
> Why had you intended to support McCain, out of curiosity?
In a moment of seriousness, I tried a stunt on my bike because I
thought it would be cool and I gashed my chin. I got 5 stitches. I
didn't ride my bike that day because I wanted to support a candidate.
~
*sigh*
At the end of the day, we're all voting for Obama anyway, right? :)
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > gMoney wrote:
> > *shrug* It's all subjective.
> >
>
> Mm Hm.
>
> Mr McCain would you like a piece of cake? "We didn't have cake in the
> 'nam po
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Get this straight. McCain is the one dissing his service by using it
> as red herring to avoid answering valid questions. While the rhetoric
> about how many houses he owns is just so much noise, that's not the
> only issue th
> gMoney wrote:
> *shrug* It's all subjective.
>
Mm Hm.
Mr McCain would you like a piece of cake? "We didn't have cake in the
'nam pokey. Where I was for 5 1/2 years."
Mr McCain are those Ferragamo shoes? " We didn't have shoes in the
'nam pokey. Where I was for 5 1/2 years."
Mr McCain were
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:40 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good call MaureenI can't believe McCain would hijack such an important
> discussion, like how many houses he owns, with some piddly little piece of
> dis-information like the 5+ years of his life that he sacrificed in servi
But, does his statement have ANYTHING to do with the question from Jay?
It was a total nonsequitor. Made no sense at all in response to the
question.
Have you seen the video of him on the show?
Talk about uncomfortable. Almost crazy-sounding in response to the question
asked.
If he wanted to ta
So because he was in a prison 40 years ago, he can't keep up with his
current financial situation?
Is that the excuse we're gonna get when he can't keep up with the
Federal Budget?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:35 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nope.
>
> I see the roots of an explanation f
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Charlie Griefer
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I see it as a solicitation of "i went thru hell, and when i got out i
> didn't
> > whine, i didn't bitch, i didn't moan. i busted my ass and di
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Marrying wealth is a sin of the highest order,
Damn - well there goes *THAT* plan!
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see this more as misdirection and spin than as a solicitation of
> pity. Bring up any topic for discussion, and it gets hijacked to a
> discussion of his time as a POW. And of course, questioning a POW
> makes you seem cruel
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Charlie Griefer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see it as a solicitation of "i went thru hell, and when i got out i didn't
> whine, i didn't bitch, i didn't moan. i busted my ass and did what i had to
> do and now i'm successful, so i'm not about to apologize for t
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 1:25 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about in this:
>
> Jay Leno: "Welcome back, Sen. McCain, for one million dollars, how
> many houses do you have?"
>
> John McCain: "You know, could I just mention to you, Jay, and a moment
> of seriousness. I spent five a
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about in this:
>
> Jay Leno: "Welcome back, Sen. McCain, for one million dollars, how
> many houses do you have?"
>
> John McCain: "You know, could I just mention to you, Jay, and a moment
> of seriousness. I spent five
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > gMoney wrote:
> > Personally, I don't see any solicitation of pity in that statement.
> >
>
> How about in this:
>
> Jay Leno: "Welcome back, Sen. McCain, for one million dollars, how
> many houses do you have?"
>
> John M
wow. talk about having your point made for you...
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> gMoney wrote:
>> Personally, I don't see any solicitation of pity in that statement.
>>
>
> How about in this:
>
> Jay Leno: "Welcome back, Sen. McCain, for one million doll
He used the same line on Leno last night. "I spent 5 1/2 years in
prison - no house, no kitchen table, no table, no chair..blah, blah.."
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Gel wrote:
>> I don't understand how or why anyone would want to argue that both McCai
> gMoney wrote:
> Personally, I don't see any solicitation of pity in that statement.
>
How about in this:
Jay Leno: "Welcome back, Sen. McCain, for one million dollars, how
many houses do you have?"
John McCain: "You know, could I just mention to you, Jay, and a moment
of seriousness. I spent f
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:33 AM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> > For the record, I do get that you're not saying, "oh big deal, he was a
> > POW". I get that you understand what that means, and that you have an
> > understanding of how horrific it must have been. But I disagree with
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:33 AM, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> "I didn't have a kitchen table for five and a half years" is a
> statement--that while factual--is crafted to elicit pity in such a way
> that suggesting that those who did have kitchen tables should feel
> ashamed for doi
> For the record, I do get that you're not saying, "oh big deal, he was a
> POW". I get that you understand what that means, and that you have an
> understanding of how horrific it must have been. But I disagree with your
> stance that he shouldn't use it "often". What *is* your stance on how of
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 6:59 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Giuliani uses 9/11. Hillary uses the fact that she's a woman. The
> "what" doesn't matter
>
So... in the other thread, you suggested that Obama was "just telling his
story". Now you're saying that Guiliani was being man
Thank you Tim for saying succinctly what I was trying to say.
Gruss thinks being a POW is the same as anything else.that's where we
vastly disagree.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Comparing someone that whines about their victim status, with someone
> th
Comparing someone that whines about their victim status, with someone
that discusses their time as a POW is disgraceful.
I'm not going to say more than that.
Gruss Gott wrote:
>> Greg wrote:
>> Gruss is practicing ridiculing POWs, he just became a member of the
>> Westboro church..
>>
>
> It is
> Greg wrote:
> Gruss is practicing ridiculing POWs, he just became a member of the
> Westboro church..
>
It is a great thread because it reveals the level of manipulation
that's going on and who it's working on.
If you think this thread has anything to do with POWs ... they're
you've been manipu
Gruss is practicing ridiculing POWs, he just became a member of the
Westboro church..
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:07 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What an awesome threadlet's count how many times we can call a guy a
> dickhead because he was a prisoner of war.
>
> You rock Gruss. I'm
oh for crying out loud. Nobody is saying he's a dickhead because he
was a POW. Saying he isn't out of touch because he once was a POW
though... I'll get back you you on that :)
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:07 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What an awesome threadlet's count how many time
What an awesome threadlet's count how many times we can call a guy a
dickhead because he was a prisoner of war.
You rock Gruss. I'm sure you'll look back on these posts proudly some day.
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> UPDATE!
>
> McCain was on Leno l
> gg wrote:
> Current tally Day 1: 1.
>
UPDATE!
McCain was on Leno last night and, unprompted due to teasing about his
houses, again mentioned the POW thing.
But even odder ... he rambled on for a bit and then said, "I didn't
spend 5-1/2 years in prison to get a house" I don't even know that
th
Hispanics at Central High school in Phoenix. But remember, he does not
make an issue of it :)
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> LOL!
>
> Precisely.
>
> 2008/8/25 Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>> Heard on NPR, by McCain, approx 4:12pm CST possibly addressing Kat
> Sam wrote:
> Did you mis this line?
>
>>This thread is solely for when someone notices McCain (or his
>>campaign) victimizing himself as a former POW.
>>
did you miss this one? Don't cha see? This thread can be the proof
you're right!
Everytime McCain or his campaign victimizes himself/itself
Did you mis this line?
But he rarely mentions it on the stump.
>This is a mis-post.
>
>This thread is solely for when someone notices McCain (or his
>campaign) victimizing himself as a former POW.
>
>Just to be clear, if McCain is telling his story in response to a
>question about it, or as part
> Sam wrote:
> Here's one from July 28
> Even Cindy's using it.
>
This is a mis-post.
This thread is solely for when someone notices McCain (or his
campaign) victimizing himself as a former POW.
Just to be clear, if McCain is telling his story in response to a
question about it, or as part of a
Here's one from July 28
Even Cindy's using it.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/28/mccain-talks-about-pow-experiences/
July 28, 2008, 6:15 pm
McCain Talks About P.O.W. Experiences
By Michael Cooper
BAKERSFIELD, Calif. â For months some nervous Republicans have pressed
Senator John Mc
LOL!
Precisely.
2008/8/25 Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Heard on NPR, by McCain, approx 4:12pm CST possibly addressing Katie
> Couric or some hispanics in response to his forgetting how many houses
> he has and therefore how many kitchen tables:
>
> "friends, I didn't have a kitchen table - o
> Gel wrote:
> I don't understand how or why anyone would want to argue that both McCain
> and his campaign staff has not tried to use his Service Record for political
> gain.
>
Heard on NPR, by McCain, approx 4:12pm CST possibly addressing Katie
Couric or some hispanics in response to his forgett
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