Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
> To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he > was right. > > > Even taking into account everything you get from the news and your > personal accounts, you are still talking about a very small percentage > of police officers.

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Medic
To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he > was right. > > > Even taking into account everything you get from the news and your > personal accounts, you are still talking about a very small percentage > of police officers. >

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Would you like a tissue Scott? -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 7:23 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. Even taking into account everything you get

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
ou continue to chose to ignore. > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:06 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he > was right. > > >

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Roberts
One just has to watch the news > and read the newspaper or just live life to see that. > > Eric > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:44 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer I

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Roberts
You don't? yeah right... -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:53 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. So, you admit that you apply different rul

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Sam
I knew that about him the day he joined this list. :) On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > So, you watch the news and see a few story about a 'bad' police > officer and automatically assume they are all 'bad'? That is anecdotal > evidence at best. > > A police officers are li

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
nd read the newspaper or just live life to see that. > > Eric > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:44 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
-Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:43 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he > was right. > > > So, now, you are expecting police officers t

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
our logic? > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:39 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he > was right. > > > Again, why is it wrong to judg

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Roberts
ing cops to muslims is pretty stupid.  You are arguing apples and > rocks. > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:19 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Appar

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Roberts
software development can always be fixed. Bad examples... Eric -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:43 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. So, now, you are

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Sisk, Kris
. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 12:43 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. So, now, you are expecting police officers to NEVER make mistakes? Does this

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Roberts
them, according to your logic? -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:39 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. Again, why is it wrong to judge one group based on

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
es and > rocks. > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:19 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he > was right. > > > How so? > > Al

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
oz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:30 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he > was right. > > > The violation is just as bad, and I said as much. > > Where the difference lies is with h

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
stupid.  You are arguing apples and > rocks. > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:19 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he > was righ

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Roberts
he intention is > irrelevant as the end result is the same. > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:30 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Comparing cops to muslims is pretty stupid. You are arguing apples and rocks. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 1:19 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
intention is > irrelevant as the end result is the same. > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:30 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he >

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Overzealous to me is just as bad as a bad officer. The intention is irrelevant as the end result is the same. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:30 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
ail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:53 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he > was right. > > > Kris, slice it any way you want, justify it any way you want. you are > still judging an entire group of peopl

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Now you are just being stupid Scott... > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:25 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Ap

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Except that it is not just a few... -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:53 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. Kris, slice it any way you want, justify

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Now you are just being stupid Scott... -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:25 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. Oh...so, its OK to pre-judge people

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Roberts
Apples and oranges -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:18 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Phillip Vector wrote

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Eric Roberts
I know quite a few cops that don't think it is disrespectful...to include my brother in law and several of my family members. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:06 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to a

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Sam
Yeah, but you said it better On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Did I just say the same thing as Sam? :D ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Micha

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Judah McAuley >>> wrote: >>> If you treat all police officers as if they are one of t

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > Someone call Satan and ask if it's snowing... > > Seriously though, like I said earlier, I'm polite to officers. You can > be respectful and politely decline to answer questions. I agree. And that is a lot of the 'coaching' I was referring

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: >> If you treat all police officers as if they are one of the 'bad' or >> 'corrupt' ones, even a 'good' one might be put off by

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Medic wrote: > > That's one of the things I like about Scott. He's all like "Yeah I said it. > So what?" Thank you kind sir. One of the greatest compliments I ever received was from Charlie Griefer. We met face to face a few years back at CFunited. After the co

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Sisk, Kris
way since there's this widespread idea that only people with something to hide plead the 5th, but his treatment while he was delayed would have been better. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 11:02 AM To: cf-community Subje

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > If you treat all police officers as if they are one of the 'bad' or > 'corrupt' ones, even a 'good' one might be put off by your attitude. > There is a way to protect your rights, even

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I think that you may be not understanding the context in which Kris > was stating this. What he's trying to say (at least how I take it) is > equivalent to the recommended practice for handling guns: always > assume that a gun is loaded a

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > >>I think you are back stepping a little, or maybe just clarifying your > position. > >>Pretty sure it was you who made a comment earlier that was similar to > 'I assume all cops are bad until proven otherwise'. > > Yes, that was a very poor c

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Sam
If you act like all officers are corrupt then even a good cop could become unpleasant. Try starting with all are good and work on weeding out the bad when you get to them. It'll do us all better. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I think that you may be not underst

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Phillip Vector
That right there is pure gold. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:45 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > The same is true with police officers. You could be dealing with the > nicest, most ethical, caring police officer in the world, in which > case everything is going to be fine. Or you could be dealing with an

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Sisk, Kris
Exactly. Thank you Judah. -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 10:45 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. I think that you may be not understanding the

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Sisk, Kris
>I think you are back stepping a little, or maybe just clarifying your position. >Pretty sure it was you who made a comment earlier that was similar to 'I assume all cops are bad until proven otherwise'. Yes, that was a very poor choice of words on my part. Looking at it now it doesn't accuratel

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I think you are back stepping a little, or maybe just clarifying your > position. > > Pretty sure it was you who made a comment earlier that was similar to > 'I assume all cops are bad until proven otherwise'. > > There is a way to protect

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: > I would not be willing to assume all cops are bad as default... Kris would, and that is my point. Here is a snippet from earlier in the thread, the first part is from me, the response is from Kris. >> I guess 'innocent until proven gui

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
That was meant for Kris. :D On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: > > I'm clarifying my position. It's still early here on the west coast. :) > > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> I think you are back stepping a little, or maybe just clarifying your >>

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Phillip Vector
I'm clarifying my position. It's still early here on the west coast. :) On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I think you are back stepping a little, or maybe just clarifying your > position. ~| Order the Ado

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Phillip Vector
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Nice try Phil. I never mentioned anything about the process one needs > to go through when they are unemployed. I know. I did. But it's the same concept. > People cheat the system. I have seen it, more times than I care to remember. Agree

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
ere to protect the innocent, not the guilty. If you choose not to use > that right to protect yourself, fine, whatever. To me that's kinda like > cutting in line at the checkout counter in front of that guy in my > example above. > > > -----Original Message- > From: Scot

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Sisk, Kris
t's kinda like cutting in line at the checkout counter in front of that guy in my example above. -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:53 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Appa

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
Nice try Phil. I never mentioned anything about the process one needs to go through when they are unemployed. People cheat the system. I have seen it, more times than I care to remember. All I asked is, 'is it fair to assume everyone on welfare is cheating the system because a few people on welf

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Sam
I have to agree with Scott here. You and Phil are way wrong. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Erika L. Rich wrote: > > I have to agree with Phillip here Scott: As one that normally has your > back buddy, you're approaching this conversation with some deep heavy > blinders and getting more a

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
the store. A bad mechanic and you'll have to take your car >>>>> to another one. Expensive maybe, but not exactly life altering. A bad >>>>> programmer and you get bugs that don't get fixed. You're out the cost of >>>>> the software, but 9

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Medic
> >> makes sense to use every shield against bad cops that we have. It's not > >> about being disrespectful to them. It's about protecting myself. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] &g

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Phillip Vector
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Would it be fair to automatically assume that all people on welfare are > cheating the > system until proven otherwise? No, it wouldn't. Scott Are you actually saying the Government is discriminating against the unemployed because the

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
t; But here, how about we have the view of a police officer on the matter. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:25 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refu

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Phillip Vector
fixed. You're out the cost of >>>> the software, but 90% of the time you can just switch programs. >>>> >>>> Now with a bad police officer, you might end up in jail or you might >>>> have a ticket on your record that shouldn't be there and

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
Umm...I am not getting aggravated, at all. I am just trying to point out the hypocrisy of some on this list. Apparently, it is bad to pre-judge an entire group of people based on the words or actions of a few, unless, of course, its a group of law enforcement officers. If I was having this discu

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Sisk, Kris
y > makes sense to use every shield against bad cops that we have. It's not > about being disrespectful to them. It's about protecting myself. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:08 AM > To: cf

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Erika L. Rich
I have to agree with Phillip here Scott: As one that normally has your back buddy, you're approaching this conversation with some deep heavy blinders and getting more aggravated by the minute. It might be time to stop, take a breath and try and look at it from someone elses shoes. Doesn't mea

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
gh it only >>> makes sense to use every shield against bad cops that we have. It's not >>> about being disrespectful to them. It's about protecting myself. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] >

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Phillip Vector
5 years. With the stakes that high it only >> makes sense to use every shield against bad cops that we have. It's not >> about being disrespectful to them. It's about protecting myself. >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.c

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
ul to them. It's about protecting myself. > > -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:08 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, > he was right. >

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Sisk, Kris
answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. Considering there is about 1 million cops there is bound to be a few bad ones... But remember this is a group of around 1 million people. Take another random group of 1 million people and you could have murderers and rapists

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Phillip Vector wrote: > What I heard was, "When first meeting a police officer, I default to > the worst case until I have reason to believe otherwise". Replace 'police officer' with 'Muslim' in that sentence. See how bad that looks? -- Scott Stroz -

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Sisk, Kris
inal Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 9:08 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > There are enough bad cops that there

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2010-09-20 Thread Casey Dougall
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:07 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > There are enough bad cops that there are at least one or two in every > > police department in the country (which is just about like any other job > > really). > > So, based on this statement, is it safe to assume that you pre-judge > ever

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Phillip Vector
I don't believe that was what he was saying... What I heard was, "When first meeting a police officer, I default to the worst case until I have reason to believe otherwise". Let me turn it around on you. Would you lend money to a friend? Probably. Would you lend money to someone you just met or

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > > There are enough bad cops that there are at least one or two in every > police department in the country (which is just about like any other job > really). So, based on this statement, is it safe to assume that you pre-judge everyone and ass

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
I know quite a few police officers who consider the term 'cop' to be disrespectful, and even more people outside of law enforcement who use the term to be disrespectful. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > >> (Pretty sure I know what your response > will be, but can we at least

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Scott Stroz
Wow...just...wow. At least you admit you pre-judge people. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Sisk, Kris wrote: > >>You are judging an entire group of people based on the words and > actions of a few. That is wrong, regardless of what that group it is > (with a few obvious exceptions - like the K

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2010-09-20 Thread Sisk, Kris
> (Pretty sure I know what your response will be, but can we at least show the position some respect and call them 'police officers' rather than 'cops'?) If you insist, sure, but I don't see how the term 'cop' is in any way disrespectful. ~

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-20 Thread Sisk, Kris
>You are judging an entire group of people based on the words and actions of a few. That is wrong, regardless of what that group it is (with a few obvious exceptions - like the KKK). There are enough bad cops that there are at least one or two in every police department in the country (which is j

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2010-09-20 Thread Sisk, Kris
>So, if you get pulled over by a police officer for a traffic violation you will not answer any of his questions unless you have your lawyer with you? Here's how that conversation would go: "Do you know how fast you were going?" "Why don't you tell me?" I'd be polite and hand over my ID, but no,

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-19 Thread Scott Stroz
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Exactly, unfortunately you have this culture where you have a mob like > mentality where you are a bad person if you "snitch" on a fellow cop > regardless of how bad a person and how bad a cop they are. As opposed to the mob like mentality

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-19 Thread Scott Stroz
troz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:43 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he > was right. > > > To make it easier to understand my point, lets substitute the word > 'cop'

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2010-09-19 Thread denstar
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: ... > You seems to have issues with the way the system works, that does nto > mean that all cops are 'bad'. So much for 'innocent until proven > guilty'. With attitudes like this so prevalent, I would not want to be > a law enforcement officer in

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-19 Thread Eric Roberts
Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. I understand the point you're trying to making and I never said "all cops are bad". I was pointing out that your analogy doesn't hold water. I've known some fine police officers, they serve a very

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-19 Thread Judah McAuley
I understand the point you're trying to making and I never said "all cops are bad". I was pointing out that your analogy doesn't hold water. I've known some fine police officers, they serve a very important role in our community and they do an immensely hard job. It is, without a doubt, the sort

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-19 Thread Eric Roberts
not them" Typical Badge as Viagra substitute syndrome (and yes...that applies to female cops too). -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:43 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-19 Thread Eric Roberts
al Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:43 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. To make it easier to understand my point, lets substitute the word 'cop' with Muslim or Jew

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-19 Thread Scott Stroz
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I just don't assist them in violating my rights, so unless they need to > know, they don't need to know ;-) I don't assist anyone of violating my rights, regardless of what they do for a living, so why single out law enforcement? You are

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-19 Thread Scott Stroz
To make it easier to understand my point, lets substitute the word 'cop' with Muslim or Jew or Democrat. Slice it any way you want it, you are still judging an entire group of people based on the words and actions of a few. Sorry, I find your attitude (and others, like Eric and Kirs) towards law

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-19 Thread Eric Roberts
I just don't assist them in violating my rights, so unless they need to know, they don't need to know ;-) -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 11:33 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer I

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-18 Thread Judah McAuley
Not the same thing at all. Being black or Hispanic is something you don't have a choice about, being a cop is a job. There are processes in place that are supposed to get rid of bad cops and they rarely do. Give every black guy a badge, a gun, a union, a toothless internal affairs department and a

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-18 Thread Scott Stroz
So, if you get pulled over by a police officer for a traffic violation you will not answer any of his questions unless you have your lawyer with you? Either a) you are the world's best driver (and are not afraid of being pulled over) or b) you have more free time than this guy. 'Granted for eve

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-18 Thread Scott Stroz
w enforcement banks > on that and will take complete advantage of it. > > -Original Message- > From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 6:17 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-18 Thread Scott Stroz
gt;> 5th amendment protect you from this kind of bullshit. >>> >>> -----Original Message- >>> From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] >>> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:34 PM >>> To: cf-community >>> Subject: Re

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-18 Thread Judah McAuley
g a crime.  The 4th and >> 5th amendment protect you from this kind of bullshit. >> >> -Original Message----- >> From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:34 PM >> To: cf-community >> Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immig

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-18 Thread Kris Sisk
Rule number one when dealing with any type of law enforcement in the Us: answer no questions under any circumstances without a lawyer present. This isn't to be a dick or to waste time. It's because A) we have the right to refuse to answer questions here and B) there are a lot of bad cops here (

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-18 Thread Justin Scott
> Meh, big deal. In my eyes he was just wasting time. One of the things at play here is that freedom is not a universal value, but power is. Freedom is highly valued by most people in our society, but those with power (however little) like to assert that power in many ways. We have laws to prot

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-18 Thread Eric Roberts
, 2010 6:17 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. Meh, big deal. In my eyes he was just wasting time. He didn't change anything. Customs isn't going to stop asking these types of questions. When I'm on my way home I j

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-18 Thread Medic
ht to violate your rights for any > reason unless you have proof that one is committing a crime. The 4th and > 5th amendment protect you from this kind of bullshit. > > -Original Message- > From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:34 P

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-17 Thread Eric Roberts
Something we can agree on Jerry. -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:jmi...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 3:40 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. I love it. Good for him

RE: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-17 Thread Eric Roberts
, 2010 3:34 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right. That he has lots of free time to muck about with customs. On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > http://knifetricks.blogspot.com/2010/04/i-am-detained-by

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-17 Thread Jerry Johnson
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Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-17 Thread Medic
That he has lots of free time to muck about with customs. On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > http://knifetricks.blogspot.com/2010/04/i-am-detained-by-feds-for-not-answering.html > > Of course..I think the guy has a few screws loose. > What was he trying to prove really? > >

Re: US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-17 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
> Of course..I think the guy has a few screws loose. > What was he trying to prove really? http://knifetricks.blogspot.com/2010/09/10-brief-responses-to-700-comments.html In a nutshell, this: A U.S. Citizen Cannot Be Denied Re-Entry To Her Own Country. (The Right To) Silence Is Golden. (and a f

US Man refuses to answer Immigration questions.Apparently, he was right.

2010-09-17 Thread Vivec
http://knifetricks.blogspot.com/2010/04/i-am-detained-by-feds-for-not-answering.html Of course..I think the guy has a few screws loose. What was he trying to prove really? ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.