Guys whether you like it or not the 2nd has been incorporated as an
individual right under Heller and McDonald.
It's going to take years to shake it all out, but laws in California,
Illinois, D.C., N.Y., Mass, all over are going to change. It's a good
thing in my view.
Next up the battle for co
Most settlements and towns at the time had an organized militia. There
was a very specific definition as to what that was in the late 18th
century. These militias later evolved into what we know now as the
National Guard, stemming from the experience of the War of 1812 and
the Civil War.
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> Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by
From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 11:58 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Pennsylvania voter ID law enforcement halted by judge
The militia certainly can be all of us...and ought to be well regulated.
Hence the term "well regulated".
I do
It's actually quite interesting, and something that gets little
mentioned in this day, that the logic used in early American
jurisprudence would lead to almost an exact inverse of the law we have
today. Since they viewed it as a individual right but collective in
it's purpose to be able to muster
The militia certainly can be all of us...and ought to be well
regulated. Hence the term "well regulated".
I do believe that the founding fathers viewed many of the heavy handed
weapons restrictions as tools of tyranny wielded by England and they
wanted to make sure that that was not going to happ
I don't ignore either part. Remember, who is the militia?
According to Madison it is all of us.
No, I'm sorry. My reading of the thoughts of the founders has proven to me
beyond a shadow of a doubt that they men the arms trade to be free and open
and without the fetters it currently has.
On W
Ok, here's the actual text:
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free
state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed."
The first clause sets up the second clause. The context being set for
the right to bear arms is that of security of a free
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> No it does not.
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> The 10th amendment soundly closes that loophole.
>
> That is simply not true.
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No it does not.
The 10th amendment soundly closes that loophole.
That is simply not true.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:08
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No it does not.
The 10th amendment soundly closes that loophole.
That is simply not true.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Eric Roberts <
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> Where is the power contained in th
: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 6:35 PM
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Where is the power contained in the law (I assume we're talking about the
brady prevention of handgun violence act?) Granted to congress or the states
specifically?
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Where is the power contained
opponent of voter id laws. I don't
> understand why its such a huge issue that citizens show proof they are
> who they say they are when they go to vote.
>
> However, in order for a voter ID laws to pass the 'smell' test with
> me, it needs to have provisions for peopl
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> Really, what part of the law in question provides these exceptions?
> A felon cannot vote because of the provi
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Really, what part of the law in question provides these exceptions?
A felon cannot vote because of the provisions of due process. That's i
I am neither a proponent nor an opponent of voter id laws. I don't
understand why its such a huge issue that citizens show proof they are
who they say they are when they go to vote.
However, in order for a voter ID laws to pass the 'smell' test with
me, it needs to have provisions
uesday, October 02, 2012 7:13 PM
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> > So is owning a gun.
>
> And that is a distinction that the folks on the left seem to be totally
> incapable of comprehending. No mat
ge
> From: "LRS Scout"
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:07 PM
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> So is owning a gun.
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> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Eric Roberts <
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>> From: "LRS Scout"
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 5:07 PM
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>> So is owning a gun.
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>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012
RS Scout"
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> So is owning a gun.
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> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Eric Roberts <
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"You need a photo ID to see Eric Holder speak but not to vote."
Hey Sam,
do you know if one needs an ID to get an Obama phone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 6:40 PM
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> Voting is a constitutional right. Seeing Eric Holder isn
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From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 6:40 PM
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Voting is a constitutional right. Seeing Eric Holder isn't.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
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> On Oct 2, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Sam wrote:
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>> You need a photo ID to see Eric Holder speak but not to vote.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 2, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Sam wrote:
> You need a photo ID to see Eric Holder speak but not to vote.
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You need a photo ID to see Eric Holder speak but not to vote.
Gotta love the game.
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> voter suppression law halted for now.
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"I am not what most would consider an advocate of voter ID laws, but so far,
when I have asked proponents of them how exactly the laws will impact
minorities more, no one seems to be able to answer the question."
The first thing it would do is protect the strength of the minority vo
I am not what most would consider an advocate of voter ID laws, but so
far, when I have asked proponents of them how exactly the laws will
impact minorities more, no one seems to be able to answer the
question.
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
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> I expect Texas to lo
I expect Texas to lose the current case challenging the validity of its
voter id law. Not because it is unconstitutional, but because there will
be 2 Democrats and 1 Republican making the decision. Then the case will go
to the Supreme Court. With five judicial legislators on the court, it
"divide and conquer. we are a house divided and our leaders are using the
distraction to install a police state under our noses."
"This is hardly the only red herring that is being used to destroy us. The
entire side show of partisan politics is doing exactly that."
If these are true, and I ha
amen to that too
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Maureen wrote:
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> This is hardly the only red herring that is being used to destroy us.
> The entire side show of partisan politics is doing exactly that.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Robert Munn wrote:
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>> divide and conquer. we a
This is hardly the only red herring that is being used to destroy us.
The entire side show of partisan politics is doing exactly that.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Robert Munn wrote:
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> divide and conquer. we are a house divided and our leaders are using
> the distraction to install a po
amen to that
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Robert Munn wrote:
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> divide and conquer. we are a house divided and our leaders are using
> the distraction to install a police state under our noses.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Dana wrote:
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>> it's a wedge issue to get the troops ri
divide and conquer. we are a house divided and our leaders are using
the distraction to install a police state under our noses.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Dana wrote:
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> it's a wedge issue to get the troops riled up. That said I *am*
> dropping out of this conversation. If I wanted to he
ans and gods know whatelse, so i am
>> reinstalling the OS. This is why i never let others touch my system
>> grrr...so I didn't just drop out of the convo ;-)
>>
>> Anyhow...here's a good article about the veto by MO Gov. Nixon on thier
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ans and gods know whatelse, so i am
>> reinstalling the OS. This is why i never let others touch my system
>> grrr...so I didn't just drop out of the convo ;-)
>>
>> Anyhow...here's a good article about the veto by MO Gov. Nixon on thier
&g
it's a wedge issue to get the troops riled up. That said I *am*
dropping out of this conversation. If I wanted to hear this stuff I'd
listen to Rush. If nobody is going to change their mind I'll leave the
debate to those who enjoy it.
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote:
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> "So
"Sorry, I do not buy that someone cannot get an ID. They choose not to, for
whatever reason. I admit it may be more difficult for some, but not
impossible."
States that have enacted the common sense of idea of showing a photo ID to
vote have gone out of their way to avoid disenfranchising people.
t 4 trojans and gods know whatelse, so i am
> reinstalling the OS. This is why i never let others touch my system
> grrr...so I didn't just drop out of the convo ;-)
>
> Anyhow...here's a good article about the veto by MO Gov. Nixon on thier
> voter ID laws an
icle about the veto by MO Gov. Nixon on thier
voter ID laws and it explains a lot of what we have been talking about...
http://www.stlamerican.com/news/local_news/article_a63c8140-9912-11e0-9fe5-001cc4c002e0.html
Eric
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