>
> If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
Then it must be a technical virgin. :)
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> Mike wrote:
> You seem to like this one lots so I'll use it in your honour.
> If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
>
I like you Mike. You're tenacious and you're not afraid to slap it on
the desk when you need to.
~
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On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> > Mike wrote:
> > You seem to like this one lots so I'll use it in your honour.
> > If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
> >
>
> I like you Mike. You're tenacious and you're not afraid to slap it on
> the desk when you
> JJ wrote:
> We all own the sins and credits of our collective groups.
>
Wow, that's pretty cool
Isn't that Jewish concept from Yom Kippur kind of?
You take responsibility for your sins, then your family's sins, then
your congregations sins, then your county's sins, then the World's
sins, and
No, I think if it more as us collectively poking the sore spots, to remind
us they are there.
A little introspection of our soul, even of your neighbor's soul, is a
natural and probably healthy thing.
Taking it to excess, as with most anything, is the problem.
Just as humanity should feel bad a
>
> Nope, still not a bigot.
>
You seem to like this one lots so I'll use it in your honour.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
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> Jerry wrote:
> So to me these questions are perfectly normal. It is what we do.
>
That was a good post Jerry. Now feel guilty although I'm not totally sure why.
So you're saying it's totally normal, but not always useful or
honorable, to ask these questions?
~
Yes, we would. Just like we talked for days, weeks and months about the
Christian nutcase who shot up the church because they were "too liberal".
Remember that.
Or how we drove Matt Small away by being so "anti-Christian", making him
defend every poor decision done in his religion's name.
Or how
> Michael wrote:
>
> So now it's moralist pshycho to call a bigot a bigot? When people were
> calling me a bigot for my post about gays I didn't start calling people
> moralist pshychos. I took it as an opportunity for introspection. Perhaps
> you should too.
>
Good thinking. Here goes ...
done
> Grant wrote:
> ... whoops, that's right. It was dark humour, just like t-shirt hell.
>
See? I knew you'd figure it out eventually.
BTW - you don't read FARK much do you? Cause that's where it came from.
Go get 'em tiger!
~
No. Nor would we being having it if it was some Southern Baptist good,
ole boy who beat his wife to death, which happens often.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:05 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> I am curious. It seems Gruss and Dino seem to be stuck in the 'beheading'
> thing. Would we even be having thi
Feel free Gruss. I didn't try to hide it. I stated it clear as day. I also
took it to the next level and tried to define why I thought the way I did.
And that post for me was a growing experience. In fact I'd say I have a
sense of pride (the straight type) with how that all went down. I'd never
th
So now it's moralist pshycho to call a bigot a bigot? When people were
calling me a bigot for my post about gays I didn't start calling people
moralist pshychos. I took it as an opportunity for introspection. Perhaps
you should too.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> > Grant
> Grant wrote:
> the "All daddy wanted was a blowjob" sleeper.
>
Anybody go all moralist psycho on you? Put words in your mouth, that
kinda thing?
No?
Well I guess you didn't say much about it then.
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Not so much a disconnect. There are broad brushes for both and these brushes
are the issue. In America we're bound by American law. We might not all
follow it the same way but on the whole we do (or should) accept it. Beating
ones spouse is not enshrined in that law and is against the law.
The bro
>
> But this is the problem with dark humor, people go all psycho.
I see. So the dozen someodd posts were just jokes. Ok. haha. Good one.
>
>
> Read this:
> http://www.tshirthell.com/hello.php
Ya, I'm on the mailing list. When my first daughter was born I bought her
the "All daddy wanted was
> Grant wrote:
> Judaism did. Gruss saying they're incapable is just plain bigotry
Hey. Dude. I didn't say that. And if you want to keep accusing
people of bigotry by putting words in their then we'll drag out your
very real and very well articulated bigotry against gays.
So knock that shit o
In an earlier post I commented on the silence from NOW on this issue. While I
don't see an official comment on their website yet, their NY state president is
quoted in the following NY Daily News article:
Muslim TV mogul Muzzammil Hassan's alleged beheading of wife, Aasiya Hassan,
may be 'hono
>
> > You speak as if time is a flat surface with all events being disconnected
> and equal in their own segment.
I know it was off base, that's why I said so at the end of the statement.
> 'Westerners' have one take on what is moral and Islam has another.
You are comparing a regional/cultural
>
> I'm missing your point. Is the NY times, where the initial story was
posted, a tabloid? How about the Lebanon Star? Or the various papers from
Arab countries that are translated to English? Are those the equivalent of
tabloids in your comment?
Yes, my perception plays a part because I'm filte
> Grant wrote:
> But that certainly doesn't stop you from making broad sweeping condemnations
> of said culture or religion.
>
Factually it does, since I never did.
But this is the problem with dark humor, people go all psycho.
Read this:
http://www.tshirthell.com/hello.php
~~~
>
> I want to take it away from him.
You think you can take him?
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Sitting on the porch looking out at the 8th tee, yep.
My dad is hitting a new (actually really old, but new to him) chipper,
seeing if it should go in his golf bag tomorrow.
I want to take it away from him.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> Someone has golf on the brai
Someone has golf on the brain. ;)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
>
> Not singularly.
>
> But if two golf buddies both do it, you need to look closer at the
> foursome.
> If 5 people in the morning golf league do it, you need to look at the whole
> league. If it starts hap
And kudos to this woman
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/02/17/pakistan.taliban/index.html
and shame on her government
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Not singularly.
But if two golf buddies both do it, you need to look closer at the foursome.
If 5 people in the morning golf league do it, you need to look at the whole
league. If it starts happening at more than one course, you need to start
looking at a broader group.
And if they all are sayin
Of course not.
That is the PURPOSE of a list like this.
If we were experts, we would be publishing books, be interviewed on TV, and
be screwing up people's lives in a much broader way.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> > I'm no expert in Islamic culture or religion
>
>
> I'm no expert in Islamic culture or religion
But that certainly doesn't stop you from making broad sweeping condemnations
of said culture or religion.
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LOL. Apparently, everyone is ignoring the troll.
Darn. Thought I could get a good argument going.
"Is not".
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
> ... Well, since the Church is inherently evil, it made sure that the health
> and good name of the church was the most importan
And in both cases, there is a HUGE public backlash, and lots of counter
protests.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
> > > Larry wrote:
> > > You're confusing statements of fact (ie Vista) about objects with
> > statements of opinion and belief about a people.
> >
> > Neither
Does it really matter what the motivation is? Sorry, but I do not think
certain acts of domestic violence are any more or less heinous based on the
motivation behind the violence.
I do not see a difference if a man kills or beats his wife because the man
feels his religon gives him the right or
This article is referrign to specific Mosques, ones with a predominantly
Somalian 'congregation'(?). And it seems to me that it is a small number of
mosques either invovled or under investigation.
Using that as a basis and usin grecent events, I can claim that Democratic
Congresssmen cannot live
But I have lived in this ocuntry my entre life and I always get my news
from the tabloids, the Jerry Springer Show and news that focused almost
exclusively on back woods trailer parks.
Is that a bad thing?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
> >No, I'm stuck on the general an
Actually, that would be pretty spot on.
(You don't spend much time at Walmart or the DMV do you?)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
> Your own perceptions also play a part. If you were a foreigner and your
> only information about the US was the tabloids, the Jerry Springer S
> My fact is that an international terrorist network is accessible
> through Islamic holy centers globally and in the US this network is
> under investigation by the FBI.
Um, ok, so now that's what your point is?
You're all over the place like a fart in a wind storm.
> > Larry wrote:
> > You're confusing statements of fact (ie Vista) about objects with
> statements of opinion and belief about a people.
>
> Neither of those statement are facts, they're both subjective
> judgments. I think you better look up subjective vs. objective.
>
> You could get both s
>No, I'm stuck on the general and accepted abuse of wives and relatives that
>is not protested because it is ingrained within the religious tradition of
>Islam. I'm against beheading, honor killings, beatings, mutilation, and all
>of the other sundry abuses that happen every day but only come up o
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm not making the argument that it can not move past its violence. I'm
> > making the argument that there needs to be effort to do so. Effort from
> the
> > inside.
>
>
> And there is. An increasing effort. Perhaps it doesn't pass
> Grant wrote:
> More than 1000 names of molestation victims on a list provided to Benedict
> and that was just in the Boston Archdiocese. 4000 priests accussed to sexual
> abuse.
Just for argument's sake ...
There are 2 questions here:
1.) Is this behavior, at a minimum, tolerated by the *cult
If a redneck uses redneck religious teachings as the basis of his
killing
(Jeff Foxworthy to the the front stage please)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Is a Muslim who kills his wife really any different than a Christian or Jew
> or Redneck? Domestic violence is d
A June 2008 Report by the Turkish Prime Ministry's Human Rights Directorate,
says that in Istanbul alone, there is one honour killing every week; and
reports over 1,000 during the last 5 years. It adds that metropolitan cities
are the location of many of these.
But that's Istanbul (not Constantin
>
> I'm not making the argument that it can not move past its violence. I'm
> making the argument that there needs to be effort to do so. Effort from the
> inside.
And there is. An increasing effort. Perhaps it doesn't pass muster by your
standard, but it's there.
>
> If a law says beat or mur
Is a Muslim who kills his wife really any different than a Christian or Jew
or Redneck? Domestic violence is domestic violence regardless of the
background or motivation of the one committing the violence.
I'd be willing to bet more women were beaten to death by their redneck
husbands than have
Yeah, but that was just a "long weekend".
But I see a clear difference here.
There is _nothing_ I heard during the voluminous coverage of these cases
where it was said that it was OK with the teachings to do it.
Quite the opposite in fact. It was so "taboo" that it was ignored rather
than talke
> Larry wrote:
> You're confusing statements of fact (ie Vista) about objects with statements
> of opinion and belief about a people.
Neither of those statement are facts, they're both subjective
judgments. I think you better look up subjective vs. objective.
You could get both statements to b
More than 1000 names of molestation victims on a list provided to Benedict
and that was just in the Boston Archdiocese. 4000 priests accussed to sexual
abuse.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/topstories/2008-04-17-2230548870_x.htm
> They do. By far.
~
You are right. Islam is only 1,400 or so years old. Still young in religious
terms.
As for painting a whole religion, look at the laws about honor killings in
Jordan. In Pakistan. In countries where it should be murder but is instead
"defense of the vitality of Islam". Look at how Sharia - Islami
They do. By far.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> > If honor killings got as much news as the priest scandals did the other
> year..
>
> If honour killings happened as often as priests molesting children...
>
~~
> If honor killings got as much news as the priest scandals did the other
year..
If honour killings happened as often as priests molesting children...
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>
> > I want to see this abuse recognized and protested against not by
> non-Muslims but by Muslims.
>
> I believe Larry addressed this. It exists. You just don't hear about it on
> fox news.
Or really see it when you search on Google.
~~~
If all includes religious based violence in Islam then all is good enough.
Big IF.
Why specifically Islam? Because of the 'hands off' that it gets from the
media and groups like NOW. If honor killings got as much news as the priest
scandals did the other year...
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:07 PM,
Jerry's right. Bigotry,not racism.
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
>
> How is bigotry about Islam racism?
>
> (I don't see the connection.)
>
> It ain't right, but it ain't racism.
>
> (unless my dictionary is wrong)
>
> On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Larry Lyons
> wr
Has there been any protests over the particular beheading in Buffalo?
(By anyone?)
There has been a LOT of chatter on the interwebs about the outrage people
feel.
But have there been any protests or "speaking out"? Anyone have any better
info that I do on this?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:05
Islam is evolving. Perhaps not as fast as Judaism or Christianity has, but
it's evolving. Michael, as a Jew I'd expect you to be less quick to paint a
whole religion with a single brush stroke. Perhaps that makes you less
tolerant given the history? I can't say.
No one is disputing that there's v
How is bigotry about Islam racism?
(I don't see the connection.)
It ain't right, but it ain't racism.
(unless my dictionary is wrong)
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
> You're confusing statements of fact (ie Vista) about objects with
> statements of opinion and belief ab
>> Larry wrote:
>> Try this exercise to see if you're being racist. Does the sentence parse
>> accurately
>
>TEST: PCs w/Vista suck. They run like crap and they crash all of the time.
>
>agree!
>
>TEST2: Macs w/OS10 suck. They run like crap and they crash all of the time.
>
>disagree!
>
>:-0
>
> I want to see this abuse recognized and protested against not by
non-Muslims but by Muslims.
I believe Larry addressed this. It exists. You just don't hear about it on
fox news.
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So the people who are tryign to stop ALL domestic abuse is not good enough?
Do we really have to specific protests and marches to stop domestic abuse
by Muslims?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Michael Dinowitz <
mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:
>
> No, I'm stuck on the general and accepted
No, I'm stuck on the general and accepted abuse of wives and relatives that
is not protested because it is ingrained within the religious tradition of
Islam. I'm against beheading, honor killings, beatings, mutilation, and all
of the other sundry abuses that happen every day but only come up on th
Thanks for those posts Larry.
I thought of it, but decided it would be a waste of time :)
The response will always be that the links you show, the protests you cite,
are not 'enough'.
There is little logic in Extremism.
2009/2/17 Larry Lyons
>
> here are a few:
>
>
> http://www.jpost.com/servl
>
> Have we? A pediatrics surgeon friend of mine just had to deal with working
> 6 hours in the operating room to put a kid back together - the 3 year old
> was crying too much according to her father. And this wasn't some poor jerk
> on drugs. Apparently the guy was quite well off. It was his god
>>
>
>And who may I ask are following those passages today?
>Everyone pulls up the negative passages from the Torah/Bible whenever these
>conversations come up but bottom line is that we don't have slaves (really
>paid servitude in context) nor do we support the beating of anyone. We've
>gone past
> Scott wrote:
> I am curious. It seems Gruss and Dino seem to be stuck in the 'beheading'
> thing.
Well, this thread has taken a lot of twists. Obviously any type of
spousal abuse (that's not requested) is a bad thing.
My point has nothing to do with that.
I'm concerned about an internationa
I am curious. It seems Gruss and Dino seem to be stuck in the 'beheading'
thing. Would we even be having this discussion if the woman was shot,
stabbed poisoned, etc?
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Michael Dinowitz <
mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:
>
> My first thoughts were to question w
> Dana wrote:
> well gee. Is it a problem that somebody in Saudi Arabia got beheaded?
> Sure. Is it a problem that the Catholic Church in the United States
> does not address the problems of women? Sure.
>
> Where is it more useful to me for me to spend my time?
>
Depends on if you think internat
My first thoughts were to question why they don't come out with anything
like this on a more regular basis. I'm not an activist but I see other
activist groups come out with statements when there are spectacular news
events.
A second read does not make me happier as this is just NOW saying "we
sup
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Michael Dinowitz
wrote:
>
> True. We're only human (most of us) and there are only 32 hours in a day.
>
> This is not directed at you but I see far too many people/groups who are
> willing to ignore some major issues in the American Muslim world for one
> reason
True. We're only human (most of us) and there are only 32 hours in a day.
This is not directed at you but I see far too many people/groups who are
willing to ignore some major issues in the American Muslim world for one
reason or another while focusing on related issues in other places. Where is
I think honor killings definitely represent a problem. Please explain
what was solved by me saying so? I picked the Catholic Church in
America as an example of an issue that I might maybe be able to make a
difference on. It could just as easily have been an AIDS vaccine. All
of us only have so muc
The reference to Saudi Arabia was a specific one in relation to the thread
on beheading as a fixture of Islam.
As for womens issues, why only the Catholic Church in America? I think this
rolls back to the beginning of the thread and brings up the point of the
victim and how her religious community
well gee. Is it a problem that somebody in Saudi Arabia got beheaded?
Sure. Is it a problem that the Catholic Church in the United States
does not address the problems of women? Sure.
Where is it more useful to me for me to spend my time?
::shrug::
> And some pretend there is no problem.
~
> Dino wrote:
>
> And here I thought I was on yours. :)
>
Well, I think you've been driving this direction for awhile.
But the FACT - and it's a fact - is this:
There exists a pervasive, managed, organized international terrorism
recruiting and operations network that's accessible from just abo
That's Hot!
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Michael Dinowitz <
mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:
>
> And here I thought I was on yours. :)
>
>
>
--
Scott Stroz
---
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~~~
And here I thought I was on yours. :)
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> > Dino wrote:
> >
> > It's scary how closely Gruss and I are on this. Really.
> >
>
> I'm on the Dino bus! W00t!
>
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> Dino wrote:
>
> It's scary how closely Gruss and I are on this. Really.
>
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It's scary how closely Gruss and I are on this. Really.
Or Vista is actually crap as is the logic of your statement. Which is
> actually what really sucks: politically correct bullshit that gets in
> the way of facts and analysis.
>
> Where's Bill Cosby when you need him?
>
~~~
> Larry wrote:
> Try this exercise to see if you're being racist. Does the sentence parse
> accurately
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agree!
TEST2: Macs w/OS10 suck. They run like crap and they crash all of the time.
disagree!
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I'm ... I'm .
And a response from the same time:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2103261/
It's mentioned in the Koran. It's mentioned in the Hadith. It's mentioned in
commentary. It's practiced as part of Islamic law in such places as Saudi
Arabia.
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Doing a qui
Then I guess using that as a guide we can also say that killing homosexuals
is condoned by the the Jewish and all Christian faiths because the following
is in the Old Testament.
Leviticus 20:13 If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with
a woman, both of them have committed a det
It's only mentioned once in the Koran
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:42 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Doing a quick Google search, I can find very little about beheadings
> actually being mentioned, much less condoned, in the Koran.
>
>
Doing a quick Google search, I can find very little about beheadings
actually being mentioned, much less condoned, in the Koran.
I did find this article on USA Today, however..
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-06-20-koran-beheadings_x.htm
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Michael Dinowitz
Because beheadings are a negative action performed almost exclusively by
Muslims who use Islam as the reason for doing it. The silence in regard to
it from within the Muslim community is a little scary to me, especially the
silence from clergy. I expect someone to step up and say that its wrong.
F
Why do there need to be protests against it to show that a majority of
Muslims are against it?
This is basically like asking, can African-Americans live without drugs,
because Gruss saw a few black guys doing drugs once. (and I would think more
people die from drug use that beheading in this coun
pigs with lipstick
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
> >>
> >> >And this guy must have been a fundamentalist. Same with the Afghan
> >> >ambassador who was beating his wife for hours.
> >>
> >> And how many Jews or Buddhists do the same.
> >
> >I don't see any Jews o
>
> >I don't see any Jews or Buddhists beheading anyone nor do I see them at
> >rallies chanting for anyone to be killed. If you mean that Jews or
> Buddhists
> >beat their wives, I don't know any who do and I've never heard of a case
> >where a wife was beaten because it was in their holy books.
Ya Don'tcha know!
2009/2/16 Larry Lyons
> You can dress up a pig and put lip-stick on it, but its still a pig.
>
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>>
>> >And this guy must have been a fundamentalist. Same with the Afghan
>> >ambassador who was beating his wife for hours.
>>
>> And how many Jews or Buddhists do the same.
>
>I don't see any Jews or Buddhists beheading anyone nor do I see them at
>rallies chanting for anyone to be killed. If yo
>
> >And this guy must have been a fundamentalist. Same with the Afghan
> >ambassador who was beating his wife for hours.
>
> And how many Jews or Buddhists do the same.
I don't see any Jews or Buddhists beheading anyone nor do I see them at
rallies chanting for anyone to be killed. If you mean t
>>
>> I think I can show you quite a few fundimentalist Christian groups that
>> also want the same crap. The point being is that it is not the Christianity
>> or Islam, but the fundimentalism that is the poison.
>>
>Want to do or actually do. That is the difference. 'Fundamentalists' have
>the ba
Oh, I personally have no doubt about it.
Even if it was STRICTLY REQUIRED by Islam, I believe there would be people
who lived a non-violent lifestyle anyway.
Just as there are people who take Allah's name in vain, worship idols
(although I am not sure yet about this year's crop), or do horrible
>
> > See when you start asking questions like that, Michael knows what you
> > really mean.
Tactic 2.
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>Do I believe that most Muslims (and most people for that matter) are "peace
>loving", and just want to live and let live? Yes.
And therefore you believe Muslims are capable of a non-violent lifestyle,
which has been what I've been arguing.
~~
> Jerry wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> What I completely do not get is why the theoretical majority of peace-loving
> Muslims do not speak out more loudly against the Fundamentalist elements.
>
See when you start asking questions like that, Michael knows what you
really mean.
~
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On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> > Michael wrote:
> >
> > Why discuss it? It's not a remotely applicable analogy.
>
> It's 100% applicable, so that's when we part ways.
>
> This is a none-so-blind-as-those-who-refuse-to-see case, and
Michael,
What I completely do not get is why the theoretical majority of peace-loving
Muslims do not speak out more loudly against the Fundamentalist elements.
The fight should NOT be the West against Islam, but moderate Islam against
fundamentalist Islam. It should be an inter-church fight.
Bu
> Michael wrote:
>
> Why discuss it? It's not a remotely applicable analogy.
It's 100% applicable, so that's when we part ways.
This is a none-so-blind-as-those-who-refuse-to-see case, and you refuse to see.
But if/when you decide to open your point of view I'll be happy to
discuss it again.
~
> Grant wrote:
> you want, but what you really mean by it is clear as day.
>
I have to laugh because Gel told me the same thing probably 1 year
ago. He was convinced I was racist because I thought the poverty belt
was a reasonable theory.
Course then I voted for a black dude.
But I'm glad you
Why discuss it? It's not a remotely applicable analogy. It would be a
more appropriate analogy if each state had different interpretations of the
constitution, different interpretations of federal laws and each acted
independently on an international level.
I can't ignore your first half dozen po
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 9:20 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
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> > > And of those 8 million in the US, what's the statistical significance
> of
> > the amount of honor
> > killings (reported and mis-reported)? 'accidental' terrorist attacks like
> > driving into crowds. Polygamy?
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> This has not
Genital mutilation and "honor killings" are alive and well here in the US.
Ask any police officer in any decent size city.
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
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> > > while Islam (to one degree or another) is still mired in theirs.
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> No, fundamentalist Islam is. Islam
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