Re: Wild Fire Prevention

2007-08-24 Thread Russel Madere
The last wild fire I had to help fight was all youpon and scrub. Nothing was over 7 feet tall. It burned so hot it melted the paint on the side of the truck I rode in. Gawd, I've been coding C# too much today. I tried to end my sentences with a semicolons. I need a BEER! >I've seen whole s

Re: Wild Fire Prevention

2007-08-24 Thread William Bowen
> One one cause of forest fires... the trees! > > Cut down all the trees and there will be no more forest fires. I've seen whole sections of the Sierras burning... not a tree in sight... -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fi

RE: Wild Fire Prevention

2007-08-24 Thread Jacob
One one cause of forest fires... the trees! Cut down all the trees and there will be no more forest fires. :-) -Original Message- From: Russel Madere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:34 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Wild Fire Prevention I listened to NPR this

Re: Wild Fire Prevention

2007-08-24 Thread Russel Madere
IIRC, that there was a lack of planning, ignorance of the wind forecast and safety considerations on that burn. Both signs of lack of prescribed burn experience or training on the part of the project managers. Proper training would probably have resolved some of that. >mmm. The Cerro Grande f

Re: Wild Fire Prevention

2007-08-24 Thread Dana
mmm. The Cerro Grande fire was started by a prescribed burn. For those outside the state, this pretty much devastated the city of Los Alamos and came within a few feet of a nuclear weapons lab. Anyway, I think this may have made them nervous. Dana On 8/24/07, Russel Madere <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

Re: Wild Fire Prevention

2007-08-24 Thread Russel Madere
I mean no insult to your father. He sounds as if he was a knowledgable and dedicated man. Be did he set policy or just carry it through. The NFS policy wonks seemed to be, in most cases, ignorant of the role fire played forest and wetland ecology. The policies promulgated to the Kisatchie an

Re: Wild Fire Prevention

2007-08-24 Thread Ian Skinner
"Are you talking out by 10 or fire ecology." I am referring to the many discussions I have had with my father during hiking and camping trips about forest ecology and the role of natural fires in it. I am not knowledgeable enough in what policy at what level covers what. But in general the NF

Re: Wild Fire Prevention

2007-08-24 Thread Russel Madere
Are you talking out by 10 or fire ecology. I can say that I was told by the Desoto National Forest Area Supervisor in 1994 that the NATIONAL policy was no fire ecology AND REGIONAL policy to replace the long leaf pine forests with loblolly pine forests. Going half way is as bad as not doing an

Re: Wild Fire Prevention

2007-08-24 Thread Ian Skinner
"No it hasn't. For a century the policy of the NFS has been to put the fire out by 10 am the next day." I'm sorry, I am going to go with of my father the retired Tahoe National Forest Supervisor after 50 years of NFS service that this policy was phased out in the 1950's for unpopulated wildern

Re: Wild Fire Prevention

2007-08-24 Thread Russel Madere
No it hasn't. For a century the policy of the NFS has been to put the fire out by 10 am the next day. Remember Smokey the Bear? That is what has caused the problem. The NFS has also allowed all of thier land to get way overgrown with both trees and understory. I will say is select areas the

Re: Wild Fire Prevention

2007-08-24 Thread Ian Skinner
"So we either need to use proper foresty techniques or allow the wild fires to burn themselves out in unpopulated areas. Either technique will reduce the intensity of the fires in future years." The latter has been the rule for several decades now, at least for lands managed by the National Fo

Wild Fire Prevention

2007-08-24 Thread Russel Madere
I listened to NPR this morning and was impressed by the report on fire prevention efforts around Lake Tahoe. They were right, we need to implement a fire ecology plan nation wide. It will also address those pesky greenhouse gasses some people worry about. I need to see if the report survive