Re: big FISA news

2012-05-22 Thread LRS Scout
You want to read a major indictment of the judicial system read this, scroll past the first page of ad nonsense. http://www.independent.org/pdf/tir/tir_07_4_roberts.pdf On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:51 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > He does sound kind of like a stooge. > > The process of denying standing

Re: big FISA news

2012-05-22 Thread LRS Scout
He does sound kind of like a stooge. The process of denying standing to plaintiffs because the process is itself secret, and so they cannot prove to have been effected, has been used to great success actually. It was widely feared that the NY court would use similar reasoning to throw out NDAA c

Re: big FISA news

2012-05-22 Thread Dana
One of the problems with oversight by the judiciary is that it is appallingly ignorant of technology on the whole. But some oversight is better than no oversight. As for thinking the plaintiffs are delusional, right. Tell it to Birgitta Jonsdottir. Or Kim Dotcom for that matter. Or, more to the p

Re: big FISA news

2012-05-22 Thread Judah McAuley
That particular defense has been quite successful for the government so far. I'm in the 9th Circuit and we've had a couple of cases winding their way through the system for awhile where the government accidentally revealed that they had, in fact, done just what was accused in this case, that they

Re: big FISA news

2012-05-22 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
The following conversation never happened, but it's what popped in my head when I read the article: Editor: "What the heck is this? A travel expense report to the Bahamas?!" Journalist: "Well, you see, I had to go there because my source doesn't trust phones any more..." Editor: "For a whole wee

Re: big FISA news

2012-05-22 Thread PT
Wow. Jacobs sounds like an asshole. If he can't separate his personal distaste for the plaintiffs from the legal standing of their complaint, then he needs to recuse himself if the matter gets sent back to him. The government's defense is that the plaintiffs can't sue because no one caught t

big FISA news

2012-05-22 Thread Dana
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