Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Marlon Moyer
Bear? Where? Run for your life Sent from my iPad On Apr 11, 2013, at 8:53 PM, LRS Scout wrote: > > Bear > On Apr 11, 2013 9:52 PM, "LRS Scout" wrote: > >> That's basically the argument. >> >> Beat and not infringed all at once. >> On Apr 11, 2013 9:48 PM, "Jerry Barnes" wrote: >> >>> >

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
Bear On Apr 11, 2013 9:52 PM, "LRS Scout" wrote: > That's basically the argument. > > Beat and not infringed all at once. > On Apr 11, 2013 9:48 PM, "Jerry Barnes" wrote: > >> >> "I don't see an constitutional right for concealed carry. Can you point >> me to >> some information?" >> >> I don'

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
That's basically the argument. Beat and not infringed all at once. On Apr 11, 2013 9:48 PM, "Jerry Barnes" wrote: > > "I don't see an constitutional right for concealed carry. Can you point > me to > some information?" > > I don't see a constitutional precedent to differentiate between conceal

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I don't see an constitutional right for concealed carry. Can you point me to some information?" I don't see a constitutional precedent to differentiate between concealed and open. It should be "carry an way you want." J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputa

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
I'd say bear and not infringed On Apr 11, 2013 3:09 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > > I think that one is right beside arming bears - although frankly I don't > think that bears need the extra help. At least it bears some more thinking. > The alternative is unbearable. > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 a

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Obviously not a complete solution to the problem of gun violence, mental health, voter fraud, election fixing and suppression, honey bee dieoffs, or the cost of gasoline. but, in this case, you have a large group advocating for increased ID and proof for exercising a right, and another group sayi

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Maureen
Problem not solved, because even if someone legally buys a gun, if they fail to keep said weapon from the hands of those who are not allowed to own a guy, having the law is pointless. Frankly, if someone owns a gun, and lets a either a child or a mentally ill family member have access to it, the

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Larry C. Lyons
bear with me on this one. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > I think that one is right beside arming bears - although frankly I don't > think that bears need the extra help. At least it bears some more thinking. > The alternative is unbearable. > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 a

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I think that one is right beside arming bears - although frankly I don't think that bears need the extra help. At least it bears some more thinking. The alternative is unbearable. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Maureen wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:09 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > > > > I

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Maureen
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:09 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > If that's it and we undo all the other dumb shit like class 3 laws and > capacity laws, and require JUDICIAL due process for incompetency decisions. > I agree with judicial review for incompetency decisions. No bureaucrat needs to be decidi

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
Yeah sound ceazy if it weren't true huh? On Apr 11, 2013 2:42 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > > You know that sounds almost clinically paranoid. > > btw you forgot to tie in fluoridation, black helicopters and the FEMA > relocation camps. > > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:02 AM, LRS Scout wrote: >

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You know that sounds almost clinically paranoid. btw you forgot to tie in fluoridation, black helicopters and the FEMA relocation camps. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 11:02 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > The government. > > If you do this they will tie the national health, criminal, gun, shopping, > Face

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Jerry Barnes
"If you do this they will tie the national health, criminal, gun, shopping, Facebook, cellphone database all together and liberty is dead." This is well underway. The federal government loves facebook, particularly the FBI ( http://www.zdnet.com/blog/facebook/fbi-to-monitor-facebook-twitter-mysp

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I'm both and I know better" Good one. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quinton ~

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
I'm both and I know better On Apr 11, 2013 1:30 PM, "Jerry Barnes" wrote: > > "How are you still willing to trust them with anything?" > > At this point, anyone who trusts the government is either a fool or a > beneficiary of its largess. > > There is no compromise on trust. You can't argue

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Jerry Barnes
"How are you still willing to trust them with anything?" At this point, anyone who trusts the government is either a fool or a beneficiary of its largess. There is no compromise on trust. You can't argue that government is trustworthy in some areas. If it is untrustworthy anywhere, it fails.

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
The government. If you do this they will tie the national health, criminal, gun, shopping, Facebook, cellphone database all together and liberty is dead. They could make you a felon right now today and take everything you own. Hell just call it eminent domain. Are you honestly missing the big

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Who is "them"? On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:55 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > How are you still willing to trust them with anything? > On Apr 11, 2013 10:49 AM, "LRS Scout" wrote: > > > You want the straight up truth > > > > I'd rather die a martyr than have to fire on another american. > > > > Ive h

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
How are you still willing to trust them with anything? On Apr 11, 2013 10:49 AM, "LRS Scout" wrote: > You want the straight up truth > > I'd rather die a martyr than have to fire on another american. > > Ive had the toughest times of my life and I haven't hurt anyone and I > haven't used and tha

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
You want the straight up truth I'd rather die a martyr than have to fire on another american. Ive had the toughest times of my life and I haven't hurt anyone and I haven't used and that in and of itself shows who I am I want them to feel what ive felt Doing what ive done. And coming h

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
Words and actions are different That is protected speech Dissent Its not crazy when they're at your house. On Apr 11, 2013 10:41 AM, "Jerry Milo Johnson" wrote: > > FWIW, that sounds a little batshit crazy. > > Truthfully, I suspect that the huge support for background checks is a > combinati

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
FWIW, that sounds a little batshit crazy. Truthfully, I suspect that the huge support for background checks is a combination of people thinking it is a reasonable, practical, possibly effective step to curb the unacceptable gun violence in the country at the moment. But I also suspect it is thos

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
I agree, reasonable, and what I outlined is reasonable. To which part do you object? On Apr 11, 2013 10:30 AM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > > You mean like prohibitions on free speech? such as not yelling fire in > theaters? Or the classic case of fighting words? If you can have reasonable > restr

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
How many software projects fa il again? This isn't a bussiness process, no compromise! On Apr 11, 2013 10:28 AM, "Jerry Milo Johnson" wrote: > > Sure, if these are issues, they should be addressed. > > Separately. > > As we all know as developers, the only way to make progress is a steady > str

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You mean like prohibitions on free speech? such as not yelling fire in theaters? Or the classic case of fighting words? If you can have reasonable restrictions on rights even more fundamental than the right to bear your own machine gun with armour piercing bullets, I cannot see why you cannot have

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Sure, if these are issues, they should be addressed. Separately. As we all know as developers, the only way to make progress is a steady stream of simple tasks completed, building towards a goal. Successive approximations. Unfortunately, we try to legislate by huge, complex, massive, multi-yea

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
My government has become my enemy We're at war and Ft. Bragg just had to cancel their july 4th stuff due to budget cuts, along with a laundry list of base services. But DOS is sending more money to anti-American egyptians and Syrian rebels with ties to al queda. An ATF agent laid his hands on m

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
These are real questions current law fails to address. As an enumerated incorperated right of man that shall not be infringed? I know you know Apr 19th is coming just like I do. Aubrey was killed by a german u boat in the north atlantic, all enemies foriegn and domestic. Dont even get me starte

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
See, now you are adding unneeded complications. Are you a natural legislator? Keep it simple. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:09 AM, LRS Scout wrote: > > If that's it and we undo all the other dumb shit like class 3 laws and > capacity laws, and require JUDICIAL due process for incompetancy decisi

Re: political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread LRS Scout
If that's it and we undo all the other dumb shit like class 3 laws and capacity laws, and require JUDICIAL due process for incompetancy decisions. And recognize constitutional concealed carry nationwide. On Apr 11, 2013 10:06 AM, "Jerry Milo Johnson" wrote: > > How about this: > > We should cha

political compromise

2013-04-11 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
How about this: We should change the laws so you need EXACTLY the same ID and background check and non-felon history to Vote Buy a gun compromise, and problem solved. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.am